How is Sovereignity working out for you?

[Zeropointzero]

Are there any other people who think we have been fed the biggest lie in regards to sovereignity of Britain.I think the current gas chrisis shows,how dependant Britain is on China and Russia and Europe.

[quote FreshFreesias]@rrhuth Not quite true. HGV drivers and other exploited workers wages are increasing.
Don’t you think working people deserve a fair wage?[/quote]
You clearly do not understand economics at all.

I refer you to what I said before, try reading it slowly, maybe ask a friend or relative to help you with the complicated bits:

The raising of wages sounds, superficially to those who do not understand economics, to be a positive thing.

But every economist on both left and right has explained, at length, why it will not make people better off.

If you have to pay staff more to make goods, or transport goods, or work in shops selling goods - what happens to the price of the goods? They go up. Therefore everyone ends up poorer - as in able to buy less - in real terms.

It doesn't matter what the number of pounds you receive, it matters what you can buy for those pounds.

We are heading for inflation, not a wealthier population. In work poverty is going to get worse.

@Zeropointzero

...and here they are,our little brexiteer englanders.i do hope,scotland will vote for independence and rejoin the EU.I will then swiftly move to scotland and leave the little englanders.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Scotland cany afford to be independent or join the Eu!. In answer to your question, life is good.

Oh I love the deluded brexiters coming's en masse to defend their act of self-damage.

I will never forgive you and what you have done to the country.

There is a special place in hell waiting for you.

Thank you @rrhuth. I get so sick of trying to explain.

Economics - higher wages = higher costs, where else is the money going to come from?

I blame this shit government - poor education so that the masses don't understand economics.

rrhuth
The raising of wages sounds, superficially to those who do not understand economics, to be a positive thing.
But every economist on both left and right has explained, at length, why it will not make people better off.

Labour's 2019 Election Manifesto was a pile of pants then?

Labour is now promising more and faster, with all workers over 16 years old getting £10 an hour within the next year.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50501411

A period of wage inflation during the brexit Covid resection, gosh that sounds a laugh

[quote Clavinova]rrhuth
The raising of wages sounds, superficially to those who do not understand economics, to be a positive thing.
But every economist on both left and right has explained, at length, why it will not make people better off.

Labour's 2019 Election Manifesto was a pile of pants then?

Labour is now promising more and faster, with all workers over 16 years old getting £10 an hour within the next year.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50501411[/quote]
Why?
Workers can still earn more.

FourLaneEnds

I don't understand your question - I thought you were agreeing with rrhuth?

If you have to pay staff more to make goods, or transport goods, or work in shops selling goods - what happens to the price of the goods? They go up. Therefore everyone ends up poorer - as in able to buy less - in real terms.

@Clavinova I do not know if you are desperate disingenuous or merely not very bright: the Labour government did NOT happen. Brexit happened and it is a shitshow. This is what we are discussing. Can you follow this and stay within the subject or shall I draw a little diagram for you?

Suzysunflower
I do not know if you are desperate disingenuous or merely not very bright: the Labour government did NOT happen. Brexit happened and it is a shitshow. This is what we are discussing. Can you follow this and stay within the subject or shall I draw a little diagram for you?

How rude - I am staying within the subject;

rrhuth
The raising of wages sounds, superficially to those who do not understand economics, to be a positive thing.

But every economist on both left and right has explained, at length, why it will not make people better off.

But not these economists??

2019
Labour has received the firm backing of 163 prominent economists...

we need a serious attempt to raise wages and productivity. A higher minimum wage can help to do this...

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/general-election-labour-economy-spending-corbyn-boris-johnson-a9218041.html

You buy it by making six figure donations to the Tory party I believe.

I haven't got a six or even 2 figure sum to donate. Brexiteers said I'd get increased sovereignty and that it would be a good thing for me and all UK citizens. So far all I've had is empty shelves, rising prices and threats to destroy peace. What am I doing wrong? Should I not be getting a crown or something to make my life and that of my children, better?

Busy over here trying to figure out how to convert the car to run on sovereignty.

I'll be honest with you m8 that this sovereignty isn't really working for me. I've been told that I just need to believe in it but I don't think it suits my car. I preferred the old stuff you got out of the pumps.

I didn’t vote for this shitshow and sadly everything I guessed would happen, has. I’m glad I have the right to a European passport so I can consider leaving at some point.

@HepzibahNutter

I'll be honest with you m8 that this sovereignty isn't really working for me. I've been told that I just need to believe in it but I don't think it suits my car. I preferred the old stuff you got out of the pumps.

Dammit. I was hoping to drive to the sunlit uplands this weekend. I heard they had shelves full of groceries.

I was hoping to drive to the sunlit uplands this weekend. I heard they had shelves full of groceries.

There was never any sunlit uplands or extra money for the NHS. There was just the targeting and exploitation of people's fears and annoyances to manipulate a Leave vote that would damage the UK in nearly every way.

Increasing minimum wage in a planned way is not the same situation as this chaos of labour shortages. All the parties are signed up to gradual increase of minimum wage.

There are real problems of labour shortages as they prevent businesses from growing.

@rrhuth

Increasing minimum wage in a planned way is not the same situation as this chaos of labour shortages. All the parties are signed up to gradual increase of minimum wage.

There are real problems of labour shortages as they prevent businesses from growing.

Genuine question @rrhuth

Do we have a shortage of people to fill job vacancies?
Or
Do we have a shortage of people willing to fill vacancies , or maybe unwilling to work in some occupations (jobs with unsocial hours for instance).

It puzzles me that the rhetoric was 'send them back, they take our jobs' yet we now have the vacancies but seemingly no one to fill them.

It puzzles me that the rhetoric was 'send them back, they take our jobs' yet we now have the vacancies but seemingly no one to fill them.

Yes, well, that rhetoric was a lie. The entire leave campaign was lies.

Look at Germany - economically stronger, higher wages, higher productivity, plenty of immigration.

Immigrants help your economy grow, as they earn money and spend it, which creates more work.

Brexit = shrinking our economy.

Labour shortages are complex, you need the right jobs to match the right people, it takes time and planning and investment.

We could have done the planning and investment in the UK, and made our economy stronger and made people's lives better, but now with Brexit we have no time to do it, we have driven our economy into a wall.

Do we have a shortage of people to fill job vacancies?
Or
Do we have a shortage of people willing to fill vacancies

We have a shortage of people to fill job vacancies. It's not that people think haulage, meat processing, veterinary science is below them. These are skilled jobs, not easily filled.

Nursing, medicine, teaching too. We had/have many in these roles from Europe.

As a Brit in the EU for 17 years, I have particularly enjoyed the extra paperwork and 200km round trip to get official residency; the removal of my freedom of movement, which also puts my medical treatment in another country in jeopardy; the uncertainty for six months over whether I would have to take a driving test in my country of residence (due to lack of reciprocal agreement); difficulty in renting a car and driving it to the U.K.; not being allowed to vote in local elections in my country of residence; and not being able to buy from U.K. retailers (because many have stopped shipping to the EU due to import complications), or, if I can buy from them, often paying VAT twice and import duty on top. The final straw? DH is going to the U.K. and won't be able to bring back Wensleydale Cheese I wish the corrupt government and the voters who fell for the lies a suitable punishment to be decided by Remainers and disenfranchised Brits in the EU (many of whom did not get a vote at all).

@rrhuth Thank you for your patronising, snobbish gibberish but it is quite clear you do not know any HGV drivers and seem incapable of understanding that British people simply cannot afford to work at rates of as low as £6 an hour.
It’s reprehensible that you think it is acceptable that these kind of essential jobs should be so poorly paid.

Are there any other people who think we have been fed the biggest lie in regards to sovereignity of Britain.

Yes, but then I thought that all along.