How is Sovereignity working out for you?

[Zeropointzero]

Are there any other people who think we have been fed the biggest lie in regards to sovereignity of Britain.I think the current gas chrisis shows,how dependant Britain is on China and Russia and Europe.

@Blacksax.Meine Eltern sind beide Deutsch,sind im 2. Weltkrieg in die Schweiz geflüchtet und ich bin Doppelbürgerin Schweiz/Deutsch.Ich finde es eigenartig,dass mein grammatischer Fehler kritisiert wird,besonders als fast jeder Artikel den ich ich hier lese einen grammatischen Fehler enthält.Ich kann deshalb nur annehmen,dass mein anti Brexit artikel eben einige Leute ärgert.Ich glaube halt, die Britten haben wirklich kein Recht, andere zu kritisieren,in bezug auf Sprache.

Sorry OP, but some of us fish&chip eaters do actually understand your last post. It wasn't so much the grammar but your cultural snobbery that was getting people's backs up. IMO it's also linguistic snobbery to post at length in a FL on an English forum without saying why you're doing it.

Ich liebe Deutsch, aber ich habe viele vergessen! Ich habe viele vergessen.. Just wanted to identify as a Fish and Chip eating Brit who understands and supports replying to a direct question in the language it was asked in!

[quote Zeropointzero]@Blacksax.Meine Eltern sind beide Deutsch,sind im 2. Weltkrieg in die Schweiz geflüchtet und ich bin Doppelbürgerin Schweiz/Deutsch.Ich finde es eigenartig,dass mein grammatischer Fehler kritisiert wird,besonders als fast jeder Artikel den ich ich hier lese einen grammatischen Fehler enthält.Ich kann deshalb nur annehmen,dass mein anti Brexit artikel eben einige Leute ärgert.Ich glaube halt, die Britten haben wirklich kein Recht, andere zu kritisieren,in bezug auf Sprache.[/quote]
I agree. I did not vote Brexit and as a Scot my country as a whole voted to remain as part of the EU. Hopefully one day we will be able to rejoin the EU.

@FreshFreesias one of your reasons for voting Brexit was animal rights issues. I'm interested as one fo the reasons I voted remain was animal rights reasons!

Whilst I dislike the live animal trade practice you mentioned, I recognised that the EU has the highest animal welfare standards in the world (yes not good, but least bad) and I am massively concerned that Brexit means the import of meat raised in lower welfare standards (like America).

I worry that the tory government (fox hunting, Boris scoffing at the dead pigs just last week, and in 2017 they repealed animal welfare codes, arguing that animals cannot feel pain!!) won't have the political will to prioritise animal rights.

So what makes you confident that they will stop live animal transport? I really don't think they will, and furthermore I think those animals (who haven't been culled and wasted) will suffer hugely in the longer queues in lorries waiting to cross to the continent.

I did not vote Brexit but it's happened and now I'm looking forward to positives to come out of it. Weird perspective, you will wait a very long time I think.

We will replace the UK meat production with imports from the USA etc with lower welfare standards, owrse for the enovironmenta dn for animals.

Today's good news stories directly related to Brexit - and more particularly the type of Brexit deliberately chosen by the Tory government - are shortages of nurses and medical equipment.

That should read worse for the environment and for animals

@PersphoneJames.your german is very good.I made an effort to learn to speak and write english when I came to this country.If people here on this forum would be honest,they would know exactly what I mean with some british people behaving very arrogantly when abroad.My comment upset some people and if you bother to read the thread,you would understand why I was upset when my grammar was critized.
And to all those who critized me: How often have you corrected someone's grammar on their thread?

People of all nationalities can behave like arrogant idiots when not in their own country. That doesn't give me the right to make outdated cultural jibes about, for example, Germans and sun lounger-bagging just because a poster disagrees with me.

Cultural stereotyping is horrible.

Brexit😒

‘Nuff said.

Big pile of bollocks.

I didn’t vote for brexit but find the fish and chip jibes off.

Same as everyone is thick etc you sometimes get.

@Zeropointzero danke schon! I did A level but a long time ago, and Germans are just so good at English it is hard to get enough practice It is brave to post on a forum in another language, of course we are exceptionally lucky having a lingua franca as our mother tongue, but it does mean we miss out on all of the benefits that learning a foreign language (in such detail) brings.

I don't like cultural stereotyping though. And having lived in Benidorm and Altea, people surprise you. A lot of the Altea based, slightly snobby "oh God not benidorm" folk were the Brexit voters, and the what-you-expect-from-Benidorm folk were often remainers!

I find it odd when Brexiters think Remainers are the wealthy elites as in my experience it has been the opposite.

[quote Zeropointzero]@PersphoneJames.your german is very good.I made an effort to learn to speak and write english when I came to this country.If people here on this forum would be honest,they would know exactly what I mean with some british people behaving very arrogantly when abroad.My comment upset some people and if you bother to read the thread,you would understand why I was upset when my grammar was critized.
And to all those who critized me: How often have you corrected someone's grammar on their thread?[/quote]
I'm sure that if people had known that English was not your first language, then they wouldn't have criticised your grammar.

@rrhuth
"I did not vote Brexit but it's happened and now I'm looking forward to positives to come out of it." Weird perspective, you will wait a very long time I think.

I reckon there's two ways to deal with Brexit which is here to stay. My way which is to accept it, try to make the best of it, look forward to the positives that will inevitably come and not keep dwelling on the negatives, which are also inevitable. Or your way which is to go on and on and on about how dreadful everything is and will be, and the UK will be dire because as a country and a people we're too pathetic to survive outside the EU; boring all around you with your obsession and misery.I think my way's better for my mental health and friendships, but if you think it's weird to try to look for positives in life, you just carry on with your depressive thoughts and manners.

[quote madisonbridges]@rrhuth
"I did not vote Brexit but it's happened and now I'm looking forward to positives to come out of it." Weird perspective, you will wait a very long time I think.

I reckon there's two ways to deal with Brexit which is here to stay. My way which is to accept it, try to make the best of it, look forward to the positives that will inevitably come and not keep dwelling on the negatives, which are also inevitable. Or your way which is to go on and on and on about how dreadful everything is and will be, and the UK will be dire because as a country and a people we're too pathetic to survive outside the EU; boring all around you with your obsession and misery.I think my way's better for my mental health and friendships, but if you think it's weird to try to look for positives in life, you just carry on with your depressive thoughts and manners.[/quote]
I am all ears to hear about these positives!

Also your post is very rude and personal, which seems unnecessary.

I see you think your mental health is better than mine, but you've resorted to personal remarks very quickly, so perhaps something to work on there.

@PersephoneJames. I don't want to answer for @FreshFreesias but I'd like to answer for me if that's OK. Fresh might have a different perspective.
I agree that the EU has introduced animal welfare standards but the UK raised them above the minimum that was written. We have the 4th highest animal in the world and the 2nd highest in the EU behind Austria. So we are not dependant on the EU to keep standards high because we have been outperforming the EU for a long time. I also agree about animal welfare standards being lower in the USA. However, most of our poultry products come from Thailand and South America, neither of which are bastions of animal rights nor do we have any control over their welfare standards. I don't see anyone protesting about that.
They did not argue that animals did not feel pain!! Don't be ridiculous. They were sorting through EU legislation, looking at incorporating or removing it as appropriate, and, as everything was already covered by UK welfare codes, they argued against keeping both.
I'm hopeful they will stop live transport because it's in their manifesto and Johnson's wife is a very big animal welfare activist and she'll keep on at him about it. As for being caught up in queues at the moment, I'm not sure what live animals are being transported. But any animals on a lorry more than 28 hours max, have to be off-loaded and given rest. If they think they'll go over 28 hours with the ferry crossing and onward transport, they'd have to off load them on this side of the channel. I would think that's too much hassle to make it worthwhile. If you're concerned about transit, in August this year, the uk govt introduced tighter transit laws, again better than in the EU. I'm not sure when they're due to come into practice.
Personally I hate the animal trade. I'm not justifying or defending it or the govt. But I think when we criticise things, we should be accurate in what we say.

@rrhuth. No, you were rude. You called a perfectly normal comment about positivity a weird perspective. Just because it's different from yours. I do have mental health issues, you're right, and your constant negativity adds to it. I'll avoid your posts in future now I know your mindset. And you can avoid mine. That way we'll both feel better.

I don’t think there’s anything weird about maintaining a positive frame of mind.

@MarshaBradyo

I don’t think there’s anything weird about maintaining a positive frame of mind.

Thank you. 😊

@madisonbridges of course I welcome your opinion, thank you, although the "ridiculous" comment wasn't great.

I am not an expert although I've read a few abstracts of research papers on the impact of Brexit on animal welfare. All talk about how MPs voted to reject the inclusion of animal sentience into the EU withdrawal bill (in 2017). We were world leading, but in March last year, the UK dropped from an A grade in the global assessment of coutries' records on animal welfare to a B grade. One of the key reasons from this was the refusal to transfer to recognition of animal sentience from EU to UK law (other parts were transferred so why not this?) Yes other countries are worse, but it shouldn't be a race to the bottom - we should be hoping for improvement, as there is a really long way to go on animal welfare and going from A to B is the wrong direction!

Already emergency laws have been made to deal with freight crises - drivers' hours have been lengthened, HGV visas offered outside of the normal immigration rules, do you really think it's such a stretch that they won't loosen the live animal transport regulations? The party who support ripping apart woodland animals for japes?

I wouldn't say you're being ridiculous, but I do question the thought processes of someone who doesn't think the EU is democratic but hopes that a politician's wife can influence policy. (In any case, I wouldn't get your hopes up, she's also a feminist and a Warboys victim but Johnson still rejects the idea of misogyny being a hate crime.)

Sorry @madisonbridges I've just seen you didn't vote Brexit so I don't know whether or not you thought the EU is or isn't democratic - so my last sentence isn't really relevant to you, except to point out that pinning one's hope on a politician's wife is as democratic as William the Conqueror marrying his sister off to Harold Godwinson to try and get more say in England!

[quote madisonbridges]@rrhuth. No, you were rude. You called a perfectly normal comment about positivity a weird perspective. Just because it's different from yours. I do have mental health issues, you're right, and your constant negativity adds to it. I'll avoid your posts in future now I know your mindset. And you can avoid mine. That way we'll both feel better.[/quote]
Re. That way we'll both feel better - of course I do hope you feel better soon, speaking for myself I already feel well.

I don't feel negative about my own family's lives under Brexit, we're quite lucky I think, but yes I do feel that Brexit itself is a negative, and therefore that will be apparent in my posts.

I reckon there's two ways to deal with Brexit which is here to stay. My way which is to accept it, try to make the best of it, look forward to the positives that will inevitably come and not keep dwelling on the negatives, which are also inevitable.

I wonder what would happen if people had the same approach to racism and misogyny ?

Oh, I forgot. Some do.

@DGRossetti

I reckon there's two ways to deal with Brexit which is here to stay. My way which is to accept it, try to make the best of it, look forward to the positives that will inevitably come and not keep dwelling on the negatives, which are also inevitable.

I wonder what would happen if people had the same approach to racism and misogyny ?

Oh, I forgot. Some do.

There’s nothing in that post that suggests the pp just accepts those things.

But change can be made and often is, albeit slowly.

What changes do you want wrt Brexit? Another vote? Or something else

not keep dwelling on the negatives, which are also inevitable

Many of the negatives are not inevitable, at least in terms of the scale of impact. There were many possible forms of Brexit, and there are infinite possibilities going forwards. Our relationship with Europe, our level of future friendliness/hostility, is all a matter of political choice.