Please can someone explain? Will we pay if we leave EU without a deal?

[HappydaysArehere]

With all this talk of billions of pounds which we are supposed to owe if we leave and talk of continuing to pay after we leave, I am in the dark. If we walk away with no deal will we pay anything like the amounts talked about? If we are able to do that surely the EU will be big losers as well as us! I am at a loss. Grateful for your input as I am bewildered. I voted to remain but must say the shenanigans being played by the EU are showing them as more like the Mafia than a democratic institution.

This sort of thing is just like in the pub when you're having a good chat with your mates and some bloke you don't know pulls up a chair, sits himself down and proceeds to tell the ladies how it really is.

And I don't care if it sounds sexist I hate this in real life and I hate it here.

Gosh i am finding it very hard to decide who is the rudest on these types of threads

I thought M4 was...but bloody hell olivia is giving him a run for his money

I think the graphs have been good, makes it easier for someone as ignorant of these matters like myself to understand

So much rudeness.

I agree queen

M4Dad

Yep WW1 massive contribution to the 'European project'.

Ffs

@QueenOfTheSardines

Problem is @M4dad has no substance. Can't argue why something is good or bad because he has no facts. Poorly educated and probably a bit dim.

There are Brexiteers that do have substance. Peter North is a case in point. He knows what he is talking about. I rarely disagree with him, especially when he lays the facts out. Unlike @M4dad who is clueless. Poor thing

Don't anybody have a go at Olivia she is explaining all sorts of economic stuff to me.

Or I could just listen to the patronising bloke who knows bollocks all.

@Rufustherenegadereindeer1

Sorry if I offended. It's often the only way to get focus on issues that are going to damage us badly if we don't get them right. So passion takes over.

I don't mind a good debate but need opponents to be prepared with facts not 'gratuitous assertions' as my maths teacher used to chide me for.

Oh i dont disagree with you there mousse

Its just that im sat here going 'ouch'

This thread was really interesting until it got derailed by this bloke spamming the board about the war and telling women to stop swearing

I'd be interested in your definition of "spamming" as I certainly have done nothing of the sort.

Not offended at all olivia thank you

I am finding this very informative

This sort of thing is just like in the pub when you're having a good chat with your mates and some bloke you don't know pulls up a chair, sits himself down and proceeds to tell the ladies how it really is

It really isn't, that' just in your head.

@Moussemoose

I don't mind the abuse. If I can dish it out I can take it.

Wait til we get into WTO rules. Still waiting for @M4dad to dish out his tosh on why this is going to be economic miracle for the UK.

I just know how sensitive us ladies can be, especially if it's 'that time'.

I worry Olivia it's because I'm a girl.

I do like the phrase 'gratuitous assertions' I need to find excuses to use it 3_times today and then I'll own it.

I worked in Greece as an economic adviser to the Troika ... And in Spain: same role

Forgive me for saying so, it appears you didn't give them very good advice. Right, so you've made weak excuses for Spain and Greece (a combined population of 65 million people, who now appear to be screwed over with no apparent help coming from anywhere) and Italy, Portugal and other countries are starting to teeter.........yet why are you so desperate to be part of this Union?

I don't mind the abuse. If I can dish it out I can take it

Where have I "abused" anyone?

I just know how sensitive us ladies can be, especially if it's 'that time

I worry Olivia it's because I'm a girl

I take umbrage at the fact you are insinuating that I have been sexist. I haven't and for you to try and imply that I have makes you out to be a horrible, nasty person.

M4Dad

You assert that Olivias" excuses are weak but really you need to explain why you think that. You don't want your assertions to be gratuitous.

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a horrible, nasty person

Me???

Yeah, probably.

No older white fat man (70% of the UK is overweight so educated guess) is going to intimidate me

Holy crap? Really? Ha ha.

You assert that Olivias" excuses are weak but really you need to explain why you think that

Me thinking that Olivia's excuses are weak have nothing to do with her gender. I tihnk they are weak because in my opinion they don't make a good argument.

@M4dad

I love your posts because they are all so easy to address. Thick as pigshit.

Well, I was an adviser after the onset of the financial crisis. Now that's AFTER the pigshit shit the fan. The TROIKA didn't exist PRE-CRISIS BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CRISIS. Thick as pigshit.

Italy I have addressed: mismanaged for decades. Poor governance. Zero to do with whether the EU, SM or CU are a good idea.

I want us to have continued access to the single market and a member of the customs union. Do you even know what these are? What the difference is? Please enlighten us in your own (not wikipedia) words ... Go on. Waiting for your next big one.

Really Olivia. You are not doing yourself any favours now.