Please can someone explain? Will we pay if we leave EU without a deal?

[HappydaysArehere]

With all this talk of billions of pounds which we are supposed to owe if we leave and talk of continuing to pay after we leave, I am in the dark. If we walk away with no deal will we pay anything like the amounts talked about? If we are able to do that surely the EU will be big losers as well as us! I am at a loss. Grateful for your input as I am bewildered. I voted to remain but must say the shenanigans being played by the EU are showing them as more like the Mafia than a democratic institution.

We grew because of Thatcher's policies, not solely because of the EU

HA! Funny joke.

After bailing Europe out of TWO world wars and racking up mountains of debt to secure your freedom - neither are you

WTF are you on about? Do you know ANYTHING about either war? Clearly not. It would be laughable if it this kind of bullshit wasn't why so many of you made such a ludicrous move.
It's depressing you know so little about your own history, let alone anyone elses.

The reason we were delayed in joining the EEC (a trade organisation) is that De Gaulle feared that the main language of the community would become English, not French. He was right.

Do you know ANYTHING about either war?

I could do with a laugh, let's hear your version.

@M4Dad

Other than the EIB stake - worth maybe some £10bn - what assets? Paintings in Brussels?

It can't be done in soundbites on the internet you loon. There is a bit more to it than that, not that you would know clearly.

In the last quarter the only EU countries to outperform the UK in terms of growth were Sweden, France and Spain (with Spain starting from very near the bottom)

And Germany, and Austria, and Ireland, and Canada, and USA - all in your linked article.
It also points out that this is the 2nd quarter of poor growth for the UK.

We "bailed Europe" out of WW1

Hahahahahahahahaha

The Soviets won WW2 not us.

That pathetic, historically illiterate comment harking back to a non existent past sums up Brexit thinking.

oh well, a page of reasoned debate before descending into abuse is quite good for this subject.

and people wonder why no-one is talking about it...

as I understand it, Article 50 is extremely skinny in its definition of what happens. Same as the referendum was. Hence years of argument afterwards.

very sad - the baby is going out with the bathwater because there was no interest in discussion before this nuclear option.

Olivia

Cash — €21.7 billion.
Property — €8.7 billion.
Saleable financial assets — €9.6 billion.
Money in EU budget contributions that have not been paid by member states — €10.4 billion.
Money that was contributed to projects that may not be completed — €45.2 billion.
Repayable loans to member states — €56 billion.

The Soviets won WW2 not us

The Allies won WW2, of which the Soviets were a part. Let me guess, you're one of those people that think the French free forces actually liberated France?

@M4Dad

Thanks. Source?

@M4Dad

And liabilities?

There is a bit more to it than that, not that you would know clearly

Of course not

I take it my 13 years in the Royal Air Force didn't cover any military history at all, ever.

Doesn't appear to have taught you anything much, no, given your earlier bizarre and inane statements.

M4Dad

The Allies won WW2, of which the Soviets were a part. Let me guess, you're one of those people that think the French free forces actually liberated France?

No I'm one of those people who know something. No I don't think the Free f
Forces liberated France and I'm not going to derail the thread but you need to trot off and research the impact of Barbarossa.

@M4Dad

Oh pls also include off balance sheet / contingent liabilities...

Olivia

www.businessinsider.com/uk-bid-for-a-share-of-eus-150-billion-in-assets-post-brexit-2017-2?r=UK&IR=T - but it's actually the Telegraph's info.

given your earlier bizarre and inane statements

Which were?

M4Dad

13 years in the RAF and you don't know about the extent of the Soviet input on WW2.....

Have you forgotten already? time for a lie down and a cup of tea mate.

Oh pls also include off balance sheet / contingent liabilities

I was asked to provide a link for my statement regarding assets, which I have, if you require anything else then feel free to look for it yourself.

The Soviets won the war in the sense that it was their entry into the war on the allied side (not that of Britain or the US, whatever English-language movies might want us to believe) that was the most decisive factor in the outcome of the war. The idea that we could have won without them is laughable. The Americans didn’t even have enough troops in Asia at the end of the war to occupy the territory that the Japanese had held. The Russians getting to Korea first stored up trouble that we’re still dealing with now.
We weren’t white knights swooping in and saving Europe. We signed away Czechoslovakian land to the Germans and allowed them to keep it despite it not being ours to give away. Telling a Czech that we bailed them out during World War Two is unbelievably offensive.

13 years in the RAF and you don't know about the extent of the Soviet input on WW2

On the flipside you appear to have no idea of the contribution to the liberation of Europe from the UK.

Have you forgotten already? time for a lie down and a cup of tea mate

You will have to reiterate your comments as I don't believe I made any, oh, and I am not your mate

It's like you people don't remember the BoB at all? If we weren't victorious then, the UK would have fallen, thus there would have be no point to launch the liberation of Europe from and as such you'd probably all be speaking German or Russian today.