Trump (Part 5)

[claig]

Continuation of the discussion on all things Trump and the people's revolutions

'So, he has no opinions and he's a follower rather than a leader?'

No, his opinions are in tune with the people's, just like the Brexit campaigners' opinions were in tune with the people and Cameron and Blair weren't.

Everyone is different, we won't all agree, Blair will never agree with Trump, but unless he can understand Trump voters and Brexit voters and Corbyn Labour members then he will never again be able to spin for his masters. It is not looking good for Blair at the moment because he admits he "no longer understands what is happening in politics". The elite don't "understand" either because they don't "understand" the people and that is why we beat them and are winning and they are losing.

So "Merry Christmas" everybody and let the elites fume.

'It's not 'he' and 'she'. It's 'ze': Oxford University union tells students to use gender neutral pronouns so as 'not to offend transgender undergraduates'

Ze' is often used by transgender people in place of traditional pronouns
The move to use the gender neutral pronoun was outlined in a students' union leaflet
Students hope that the use of pronouns will move to lectures and seminars "

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4021894/Oxford-University-says-students-use-gender-neutral-ze-place-he.html

This is from Oxford, the Union, where the elites always pick their next generation of servants to govern over the people from.

By all objective measures Trump has taken lying to a new level. His words are not even connected with facts, just with what he wants people to believe at any given time, which is why on pretty much any given subject you will find that he has made statements which directly contradict each other.

This may indeed be why people like Claig apparently believe that he is in some way honest despite all the obvious evidence to the contrary: because he never considers whether what he is going to say is true, but instead only whether it is expedient, you never get the sense that he is dissembling or being economical with the truth, because the truth is simply not relevant to him. So if you weren't paying attention you might just mistake him for a "straight talking guy".

"Tory MP Maria Miller calls for gender-neutral driving licences and passports

Maria Miller, the former culture secretary, added that 'male' and 'female' boxes should be removed from job applications unless essential"

[[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/tory-mp-maria-miller-calls-to-remove-gender-from-uk-passports-and-driving-licences-a6793806.html]

No wonder Trump won.

And clearly he doesn't resonate too far as he is the most unpopular president the US has had, and lost the popular vote by, what is it now, 2.8 million?

No, his opinions are in tune with the people's,

So what is it? You've just said the opposite. That he follows people's opinions.

And it's clear that he does for all the times he's changed opinion widely over the years and during the campaign.

Actually, why do you think it's essential to have your sex described in a passport? Is your sex relevant to your travel?

How does Trump fit into the trans debate?
Is he egalitarian in this regard, in that he holds both women and trans-women in utter contempt?

I'm not sure why most job applications need a male or female box either, with a few notable exceptions.

"No wonder Trump won."

I would be amazed if a UK MP's opinions on gender-neutral driving licences were the deciding factor for any Trump voters.

When people moan about political correctness, it's usually because they want to be free to say racist things and relegate those nasty black, gay and disable people to their proper places, i.e. where they won't intrude on middle class white men's lives.

That is what Trump did and that is why he won and why he says "Merry Christsmas" to let the people know that he won and they are now free to say whatever the hell they like again.

Great, Americans will all feel free to go round talking about "dirty N....s" or "Y...s" again. That will really improve the world.

You obviously don't feel what millions of people feel.

It doesn't matter what people "feel" in relation to the whole Merry Christmas rubbish. If people feel they have been prevented from saying Merry Christmas, it is because the right wing tabloid press, fully encouraged by people like Trump, have lied to them about it. Trump would serve people much better by sticking to the facts.

Accusations of "political correctness" are often used, hypocritically, to shut other people up.
If someone has the right to say something offensive, then other people have the right to judge them for the language they choose to use. And they also have the right to voice their objections.

"You obviously don't feel what millions of people feel"
Feelings are not important than facts.
If the left used this language, you would accuse them of "special snowflake" politics.

'Accusations of "political correctness" are often used, hypocritically, to shut other people up.'

Then why did Bernie Sanders say that it was the fact that Trump was not politically correct that made him win because

"I think people are tired of the same old politically correct rhetoric"

"Feelings are not important than facts."

Of course they are because feelings are humn, they are what people have, facts are what Tony Blair has.

Just because you are politically correct doesn't invalidate the feelings of millions of people, just as Bernie Sanders said.

Feelings can be manipulated.
I never said they don't matter - of course they do, but someone's "feeling" of a situation (like Merry Christmas ever being banned) is not more important that the actual facts.

If I "felt" that you were insidiously banning me from using the word pineapple in my posts, it wouldn't make it true would it Claig?

Pineapple pineapple pineapple.
See how bravely I defy your linguistic tyranny? Everything's alright now! I have saved us all! We can finally use the word pineapple again!

I don't like Dawkins but that is beside the point, I am not politically correct and don't want his free speech to be banned or for him to be ostracised because he thinks differently to me. In my book, Germaine Greer has the right to say whatever she likes. Trump has said "we will all be saying Merry Christmas again" and Bernie Sanders rightly said that Trump won because he was not politically correct.

The Blairites will never take our free speech, the elites will never defeat the people with their tricks and political correctness. It is about freedom and about the Muse song Uprising, and that is why Trump won.

"they will not control us
we will be victorious"

"Richard Dawkins, Germaine Greer and the Importance of Free Speech
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Like his fellow outspoken critic Germaine Greer, Richard Dawkins has recently fallen foul of the politically correct speech suppression police. For Dawkins, it was over his criticism of Islam and its violent teaching and terrorism. For Greer, it was for daring to say that surgery won’t turn a man into a woman.

In my view like many polemicists, Dawkins and Greer are the kind of people that either get things very very right, or very very wrong. But that’s really not the point. Richard Dawkins and Germaine Greer are among those who throw down the gauntlet in social and political discourses that are increasing becoming sanitised in the kinds of views that are allowed be placed on the table for debate, or even the opinions that are permissible to hold. There are important debates that we need to have, and it is often the polemicist among us that get the ball rolling and challenge our assumptions.
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In fact, it could be said that branding someone’s speech as ‘hateful’ is in fact, hateful. Moreover calling someone a bigot for expressing an opinion which has become heterodox simply succumbs to the exact behavior one purports to abhor.
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I admire Richard Dawkins and Germaine Greer, not because I agree with everything they say since I disagree with many of their opinions, but because they have the courage to challenge debate, express views regardless of whether they are popular or politically expedient.

www.xyz.net.au/richard-dawkins-germaine-greer-and-the-importance-of-free-speech/

It is about freedom and courage. The elites and their "teams" can call Farage, the People's Army, Trump and Trump fans "bigots" all day long, but they will never take our free speech from us.

Trump had the most courage of any politician on earth in fighting for the people and even Bernie Sanders understood that and why Trump won by defeating political correctness so that we can all remain free.

'If I "felt" that you were insidiously banning me from using the word pineapple in my posts, it wouldn't make it true would it Claig?'

That just shows how little you understand what is happening all over the world with populism and why as Bernie Sanders said, Trump won because he was against political correctness. I have tried to explain it over many threafs and I predicted it when all the "teams" said it could never happen. We beat them because they tried to take our freedom. They bullied us, they called us names, but like Trump, we had the courage to face them down and stand up for free speech. Merry Christmas.

To you, political correctness is akin to people stopping you from saying "pineapple". You don't understand why people vote for Trump or why Germaine Greer's free speech is curtailed and how the elites are trying to circumscribe thought in order to manage dissent.

Bernie Sanders understands it and understands how Trump destroyed it.

"Brexit supporters ridicule claim of Remoaner MP Ben Bradshaw that Russian hackers 'probably' swayed the EU referendum

Labour MP made claim about hacking in EU campaign during Commons debate
Said it was 'highly probable' that Vladimir Putin's regime had intervened
Arch-Remainer Bradshaw voted against triggering Article 50 last week"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4029342/Russian-hackers-probably-fixed-EU-referendum-vote-Brexit-says-Remoaner-MP-Ben-Bradshaw.html

The Blairites are desperate as they lose their hold over the people. The "teams" are desperate after Trump beat them. Now they say that anyone who opposed them and took the piss out of them was influenced by Putin and the Russians.

But it was Trump and the American people who saved all our freedoms worldwide. They beat the "teams" in the centre of world power.

And with great Americans like Millie Weaver, not politically correct, courageous and free, taking the piss out of their teams and their lies, we will always remain free.

If Trump is allowed to call women he doesn't like "fat pigs" and "disgusting animals", and talk about the women he does like as objects, then I am allowed to call Trump misogenist.
If Trump is allowed to label Mexicans as "they're rapists", then I am allowed to call Trump a racist.
If someone makes sweeping, intolerant generalisations about a race or culture or creed, then I am allowed to call them a bigot.

Free speech goes two ways, even if it doesn't fit your narrative.

Hmmm
There's free speech and then there's basic human decency.

Say, Obama started blaming whites for all the evils in America. And he called all white people slave owners.

Would you say it was fine because it was not politically correct and he was exercising his right to free speech?

Shouldn't SNL be celebrated for exercising free speech and non-politically correctness?
Or, instead, should they be pit down on a tweet?
Shouldn't Hamilton performers also be commended for exercising free speech?

Or is that only for angry white males?

'If Trump is allowed to call women he doesn't like "fat pigs" and "disgusting animals", and talk about the women he does like as objects, then I am allowed to call Trump misogenist.
If Trump is allowed to label Mexicans as "they're rapists", then I am allowed to call Trump a racist.
If someone makes sweeping, intolerant generalisations about a race or culture or creed, then I am allowed to call them a bigot.'

People call some male Tory politicians "fat pigs", so what? Just because Trump called Rosie O'Donnell a "fat pig" doesn't make him a mysoginist any more than it would make Millie Weaver a misandrist if she called Michael Moore a "fat pig".

And Trump never called all Mexicans rapists or made sweeping generalisations about a race. Those are mainstream media lies and spin. Trump loves everyone, "China, I love China" is one of Trump's favourite phrases.

And the way Trump has often responded to criticism by targeting ordinary people on twitter has led to death threats made against those critics from his supporters. He knows this and continues to do it. The threat of violence against those who speak out against the powerful is a very real, very dangerous threat to free speech. Maybe you should be more concerned about that.

"China, I love China" is one of Trump's favourite phrases.

Oh well then he can't possibly be a racist.... .

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/18-real-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-women_us_55d356a8e4b07addcb442023

'Say, Obama started blaming whites for all the evils in America. And he called all white people slave owners.

Would you say it was fine because it was not politically correct and he was exercising his right to free speech?'

No, I wouldn't think it was OK, I would think it was Blairite. But he could say it if he wanted to, as any Blairite could if they wanted to. But Trump has never said anything like that.

'Shouldn't SNL be celebrated for exercising free speech and non-politically correctness?
Or, instead, should they be pit down on a tweet?'

SNL can say whatever they like, same as the BBC comedians can. It is a free country, everybody knows what they are like and what the celebs and pop stars and Sirs are like. They are free to spin for the elites, everybody knows their game.

'Shouldn't Hamilton performers also be commended for exercising free speech? '

No because they politically grandstanded and insulted the next Vice President of the United States and his daughters in a public forum where they had paid to come and watch their show. But they are free to do it, they are luvvies and celebs and pop stars and everybody knows they grandstand for the elites.

'Or is that only for angry white males?'

I don't think Germaine Greer and Julie Bindel are "angry white males" and they are deemed politically incorrect.