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Trump vs Clinton Round 2. Bigger debate than the last one.

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claig · 08/10/2016 16:28

Round 2, Monday morning 2 am UK time.

Will "the real Trump" show up?

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Lweji · 13/10/2016 11:23

He is a RINO in a bad sense because he held different opinions to the Republicans before the election. And he has changed them now to suit his bid for the WH.
The only difference between him and the politicians you despise is that he hadn't been a politician before.
He used them, he corrupted them, he played the game. And he still does.

claig · 13/10/2016 11:28

'He used them, he corrupted them, he played the game. And he still does.'

That is what we love about him. He is running rings around the RINOs. Playing them, mocking them, beating them.

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Boosiehs · 13/10/2016 11:29

No comments on the sexual violence?

really?

that is a person acceptable to you to run a country?

claig · 13/10/2016 11:32

'No comments on the sexual violence?'

We don't yet know if all the accusations are true. No one condones that. We will have to wait and see what comes out about it. Trump has threatened to sue the New York Times. He denies it.

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Boosiehs · 13/10/2016 11:47

The one about the 10 year old is on film.

The comments about going backstage to look at women getting changed were confirmed by him.

the comments about "grabbing them by the pussy" - sexual violence in anyone's book - are on tape.

These are clearly true. How do you deny that?

claig · 13/10/2016 11:51

'The one about the 10 year old is on film.'

I have never heard about this. Have you got a link?

Yes, the other statements he said. And everyone has condemned them, even Trump.

You say does that make Trump unfit to run the country. But Bill Clinton is alleged to have done far, far worse and yet he is lauded by the world's great and the good, the media tries to cover up stories on it, and he was invited to our own Labour Party Conferences where they all applauded him.

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Want2bSupermum · 13/10/2016 12:20

southall To give you an idea of how bad obamacare is, average premium is $1000 a month for a family plan. You then make co-payments every time you receive care up to a maximum amount set by your plan. Our plan, the max deductible is $6k per individual and $20k for the family.

Two issues with this is that out of network providers don't submit what they are paid to the insurance companies. We can submit what we pay for our son for out of network care but the insurance company requires proof from the provider. The provider then charges you extra to provide that proof ($100 a quarter is the normal charge in our area). The other issue is that while on a net basis you only pay 10% of your income on medical care, if your income is $100k a year you are expected to put out up to $32k a year and then claim it back. You don't get your W2 back until end of January so it is at the every earliest mid Feb before you get your refund. Medical care is unsecured debt so the rates are 10-15% to borrow the money.

The fact is $100k a year is not a high income in the North Jersey/New York metro area yet on a national basis $100k is a good income. Quite frankly, in our area an income of below $100k mean you are living on/close to the breadline if you have any children. At least Trump recognizes the issues everyday people face. HC has completely ignored these issues.

Also, tax proposals by Trump worry me. A lot of them make sense and rely on the laffer curve where payment goes up as you reduce taxation. From what I see in business I think he is correct.

For those complaining about his tax treatment, he followed the rules and his tax break is because of his NOLs for his businesses. When the oracle of omaha came out saying he pays his taxes unlike Trump, that is unfair at best. The Oracle of Omaha has made his money via leverage and shipping out manufacturing to the far east. The quality of the products has diminished and the cost crept up resulting in higher margins. He takes the same tax breaks that Trump does. The only difference is that his companies are more profitable, in part because of the industries they are in, but also because of the leverage. Trumps RE business is not highly leveraged so his returns are lower.

Trump lost his shirt in the casino business. He knows real estate, is very successful at it but needed cash flow. The casino was added to give him that cash flow. The failure was spectacular and I think the decision to go bankrupt was in part because of the tax offset he could use against money coming in from his real estate business made the best out of an awful situation.

The tapes and comments made by Trump are clean in comparison to how other liberal politicians behave. Bill Clinton, Strauss Kahn and Anthony Weiner are just three that I can easily recall as being extremely offensive yet no one goes after them in the way they are going after Trump. Trump said something, the other actually did it. Doesn't make it right, I don't like it but I am not going to use that as a reason not to vote for him. As a woman I am much more offended of his comments about immigrants.

Boosiehs · 13/10/2016 12:21

I don't know if you noticed, but Bill Clinton isn't running for office.

it is WILDLY misogynistic to impute the actions of Bill onto HRC.

Here's the link, the video is on this page. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-women-new-sexual-harassment-stories

Lweji · 13/10/2016 12:22

No comments on the sexual violence?'

We don't yet know if all the accusations are true.

All? Surely you just need one.

And you don't seem to doubt the accusations regarding Bill Clinton. Bill was impeached, which was overturned later, and had real trouble facing the accusations.
Surely Trump doesn't get a free card.

Regardless, the perpetrator should be more punished than anyone who's married to one. (even if her treatment of the women wasn't good)

Boosiehs · 13/10/2016 12:27

Apparently negative comments made by HRC about Monica lewinsky were made before Bill had fessed up to her. According to her memoirs I believe.

claig · 13/10/2016 12:29

'Bill was impeached'

Not for the far more serious allegations that he has been accused of by more than one woman.

'Regardless, the perpetrator should be more punished than anyone who's married to one.'

The question was not about Hillary, but does Trump's behaviour make him unfit to be President and the argument is that if Hillary and the media and the great and the good and the world leaders think Bill Clinton's didn't, then how can they claim that Trump should be disqualified?

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Lweji · 13/10/2016 12:33

Would this behaviour lead to impeachment?
Would you want to work with this man?
Do you respect him?

claig · 13/10/2016 12:37

'Would this behaviour lead to impeachment? '

I doubt it. I thought impeachment was about lying etc, but I don't know what it involves.

'Would you want to work with this man? '

I doubt he goes around abusing women adn many wome do work with him daily including his brilliant spokeswoman, Katrina Pierson and his campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway.

'Do you respect him?'

I don't respect any of the "political class", but I prefer Trump to the rest of the shower.

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Amalfimamma · 13/10/2016 12:38

Would someone calling the victims of sexual assault be misogyny?

WinchesterWoman · 13/10/2016 13:09

Claig now that is a good ooint

WinchesterWoman · 13/10/2016 13:10

Arse
Point

Boosiehs · 13/10/2016 13:23

Amalfimamma there is no evidence of that. See here:

www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/10/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-viciously-attack/

claig · 13/10/2016 13:38

Trump rampages through Florida

"He promised to jail Clinton and her lawyers, while getting to the bottom of Paul Ryan’s ‘sinister deal’ to foil him.
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“So wouldn’t you think that Paul Ryan would call and say, ‘Good going?’ In front of just about the largest for a second-night debate in the history of the country,” Trump continued. “So, you know, you’d think that they’d say: ‘Great going, Don. Let’s go. Let’s beat this crook. She’s a crook. Let’s beat her. We’ve got to stop it.’”

While Ryan’s abandonment of Trump came days after The Washington Post published the now infamous 2005 video, the Republican nominee said the real motivation for Ryan’s actions remained hidden. “There’s a whole deal going on there,” he said. “I mean, you know, there’s a whole deal going on. We’re going to figure it out. I always figure things out. But there’s a whole sinister deal going on.”
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Trump also called for the jailing of Clinton’s lawyers for approving the deletion of emails they deemed non-work-related. “Those representatives within that law firm that did that have to go to jail,” he said in Lakeland. Earlier, in Ocala, he said of Clinton’s lawyers, “They should be implicated because they have committed a crime.”

Despite the efforts of Clinton and her lawyers, Trump expressed a belief that her emails have not been totally lost. “I have a feeling that the NSA has them,” he said. “They don’t want them.”

www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-florida-rallies-229695

Go Trump! Crooks are quaking in their boots, world leaders are having sleepless nights, the end of the corruption is nigh.

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WinchesterWoman · 13/10/2016 13:39

Check out realclearpolitics for an explanation of how fact checking is unreliable

WinchesterWoman · 13/10/2016 13:40

Also for fbi attempt to justify feeble investigatuo

Boosiehs · 13/10/2016 13:41

Was that article meant to support your statements?

it really didn't.

WinchesterWoman · 13/10/2016 13:42

Boos are you saying 'narcissistic loony toon is therefore fine?

claig · 13/10/2016 13:47

Don't miss the Trump rallies in the coming weeks. World leaders are all watching them in panic. The world has never seen the like of it and crooks have never been so scared of what is coming down.

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WinchesterWoman · 13/10/2016 13:49

Jill stein now saying hc more dangerous than trump

Boosiehs · 13/10/2016 13:49

That quote comes from papers written by someone else after conversation with Hillary. Not evidence she ever said that (just to throw claig's argument back).

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