Excited about the Labour leadership announcement

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For full disclosure I'm a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. I'm quite excited and hopeful that he's won again. Anyone else feeling it?!

Both of those things are currently happening based on real actual results, not biased and weighted polling

It seems everything is biased if it doesn't agree with JC.

It seems everything is biased if it doesn't agree with JC.

that's just a kop out and means nothing.

If the results in by-elections and council elections we replicated on a mass scale, JC would be elected in 2020.

the Lib Dems just won Stow on the Wold back from the Tories.

STOW ON THE WOLD for crying out loud.

Cotswold DC, Stow On The Wold September 29, 2016

LD Dilys Neill 555 [64.9%; +21.0%]
Conservative 300 [35.1%; -21.0%]
Majority: 255
Turnout: 40.5%
LD gain from Conservatives
Percentage change since 2015

you won't see that reported on the BBC

Blackpool UA, Tyldesley – 29th September 2016
September 29, 2016

Labour 535 [48.3%; +10.0%]
Conservative 297 [26.8%; -2.4%]
UKIP 238 [21.5%; -0.5%]
LD Paul Hindley 37 [3.3%; -2.3%]
[Independent [0.0%; -4.8%]]
Majority 241
Turnout 23.25%
Labour hold
Percentage change since 2015

that's just a kop out and means nothing.

No saying all MSM is biased is a kop out.

Rewinning in already held Labour seats means nothing. Parties in opposition (including the Tories when they were) do better in by elections than the government.

My party is being torn apart. Many of my local CLP activists and campaigners have left the party. I was told to 'fuck off this is our party now' at the last meeting I went to.

JC is doing nothing about it other than say 'I don't tolerate it' .

That is no party I want to be associated with.

Majority 241
Turnout 23.25%

Hardly anything to right home about.

Just like the parish council win that JC supporters were moaning never got reported by the BBC.

I was talking to dh about the plan to reduce immigration by increasing wages in other countries and pointing out the absurdity of assuming a UK prime minister could do anything to influence/achieve this. But dh pointed out that I am wrong - as it is the relative wages that matter all the uk needs to do is reduce relative uk wages and this is easily done by devaluation. So it is an achievable objective and not just a piece of rhetoric

I think, rather than taking things at face value you need to look into the downsides into devaluation of currency and hyper inflation to see that there are many, many downsides, it may not be 'just a piece of rhetoric' but that doesn't mean it's a simple solution it would hurt the working class/poor more and is in fact a transfer of wealth.

If the results in by-elections and council elections we replicated on a mass scale, JC would be elected in 2020.

I would love to see where your getting these 'unbiased' polls from, the 'right wing press' is a modern day meme/bogeyman, what most people who use this trope fail to realise is that 3/5 of the most visited news websites are actually left leaning, also the not so I signifanct problem with your assertion is that safe councils are falling to lib dems...

We could be here all night swapping individual polls and results and it is meaningless. What about Sheffield and Cardiff? And the stage in the electoral cycle we are at? Of course we should be winning now. Read some analysis by proper informed commentators eg Stephen Bush in the New Statesman and produce some evidence of their bias. He has calculated that labour will need a 97 size landslide for a majority of 1 after the boundary changes. And labour, instead of trouncing the tories daily over Brexit chaos, are having another anti-Semitism row. What the hell?

I am angry now, angry at what has been done to the party and angrier at what this means for the poor and vulnerable for years to come.

I don't agree that Labour with Corbyn as leader is unelectable.
There's four years until the next election and a lot could go wrong for the Tories.
I think there are a lot of young people who like the idea of Jeremy Corbyn's party because it is different to what's been around the last two decades and because they have never lived under a very left wing government.
Rather like those who voted for Brexit because they were thoroughly disenchanted with the status quo.

There could be an election in May 2017. Corbyn has called for one so it will get through and Watson said at the weekend he thinks it will be soon.

Since the start of this thread, those of us who are worried have asked how this election can be won? Taking back Scotland - how? Winning seats from the tories - which ones and how? No-one has answered.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/08/how-jeremy-corbyn-really-doing-polls sets out the facts very clearly, IMO, in context and I can't see anything other than facts and well reasoned analysis there. And he doesn't consider the snap election possibility.

Actually I'm beginning to wish we could have a snap election, if that's what it takes to get rid of JC and return Labour to some sort of electable force - or even a decent opposition. It seems to me this boil needs lancing, and the sooner the better

Unless of course JC meant it about carrying on as leader even if Labour lose??

BBC the Tory mouthpiece

What because they haven't places a halo over Corbyn's head when he is on the news

Labour had the worse results of an opposition party in 30 years and that is with the government being very unpopular due to tax credit cuts and doctors striking

Where do you get your information from wherever it is it is wrong and no I do not read right wing press but even if I did I like other voters have the intelligence to see passed the manipulation of the press it's so patronising to assume people can't

I am not sure Corbyn would step down when he loses the general election (he will loose if he is leader) he will witter on about the party membership blah blah but i do think many of his followers will be less enthusiastic. The moderates have got to work on getting more people to join the party and challenging him the party can't pull together and it won't fool the public that they have

I think he may not go either, which was Owen's big advantage for me. I sort of want a quick election too, but if he doesn't go then TM may have a majority of 100 and no decent opposition. At least at the moment she has to appeal to tories of the centre.

I felt marginally more cheerful after both JC and TW conference speeches but the Jackie Walker row has made me despair again. It looks mad from where I am sitting so what it looks like to a floating voter....

don't forget also that there is a Tory rebellion brewing in the background. We've seen the Labour party fall apart but we could well be about to see the Tory party fall apart too.

Osbourne, Clarke, Cameron, Crabb and co are all sharpening their knives to stick in Theresa May's back. Again of course, if you read the BBC you wouldn't know that.

Since the start of this thread, those of us who are worried have asked how this election can be won? Taking back Scotland - how? Winning seats from the tories - which ones and how? No-one has answered.

Just a few lines above I mentioned the Lib Dem revival would take large chunks of the Tory majority out. JC only really needs to tread water and he's in with a good chance. The danger for JC and Labour is the Blairite camp spinning a self-fulfilling prophecy that he is somehow 'unelectable' coupled with people reading the MSM/Right wing media and believing it to be true. There is also a danger return of some of the UKIP vote to it's natural Tory place.

There is also the fact that if the next GE is in 2020 a large proportion of the Tory vote in 2015 will also be dead.

There is also the fact that if the next GE is in 2020 a large proportion of the Tory vote in 2015 will also be dead.

What a charming sentiment.

^^ what a pointless statement.

The best thing going for the labour party at the moment is the Conservative government. bunch of spineless lying toads. I say this as someone who voted for them. never again.

Gaspode I was glad to see your post. It is reassuring that I wasn't the only one to do a double take at that line!

Claudia, R4 covered Conservative divisions over Brexit and other things this morning. GO's speeches and statements have been on the Today prog several times recently. And are you saying that the BBC usually covers council bye-elections except if Labour win? I have searched the website and can't find any coverage apart from UKIP in Thanet. Here is a list of recent bye-elections, most ofn which have not been covered because they show, well, very little about anything at all. www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/category/by-elections/

It was me that asked that question about which seats and I wanted some evidence, some facts and analysis.

I think it is things like this that will switch Tory voters to Labour even though they don't believe the politically correct nonsense of Labour

"Pensioners to lose hundreds of pounds in 'new bedroom tax'
...
“Over time, this could affect up to a quarter of our elderly tenants, including couples living in modestly sized homes such as two bedroom bungalows.

“Most will have to take this on the chin, with very limit opportunities to downsize or earn additional income. That’s why this feels like a ‘backdoor bedroom tax’.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bedroom-tax-pensioners-social-housing-housing-crisis-council-houses-a7340136.html

As the population ages, the Establishment will try their usual "intergenerational unfairness" divide and conquer rhetoric and they will try and penalise the elderly and favour the young and the trendy media will back them.

No one, apart from Corbyn, will stand up for the people affected by poor care for the elderly, 15 minute visit targets for carers, and squeezing of benefits for the elderly. Lots of the pensioners are conservative voters because they vote for common sense, but if the conservatives and the Establishment turn against them and try and divide the population, they will switch to Labour to protect them.

But this won't be a quick fix, it will take Labour a long time to get its act together.

Guardian journalist, John Harris, said on Any Questions last night, that it may take 0 years for Labour to adapt to a socialism for the 21st century, but that is the history of the Labour movement, which started in the early 100s, but reached it rea success in 1945.

I don't think it will take 20 years but it will depend on the mistakes that the Tories may make.

lalsy yes that page is very interesting thank you for posting. I accept so far the scale of voting is not large but the picture is certainly one of a LibDem revival, Labour more or less treading water and the Tory party doing very poorly.

Here are some of the actual results of recent by-elections:
www.aldc.org/category/by-election-results/

Claudia it is no secret that there is issues amoung the Tories it's just they always pull themselves together ready to present themselves as a united party to the electorate they understand the importance of this unlike many on the far left of labour

What all older people vote Tory it was a nasty remark and it certainly won't make any difference especially as they are aiming for the centre votes which they are likely to gain while Labour still have Corbyn as leader