Excited about the Labour leadership announcement

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For full disclosure I'm a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. I'm quite excited and hopeful that he's won again. Anyone else feeling it?!

I have said this on another thread but it bears repeating.

I lived in his constituency for five years. In that time I was working locally, was a SAHM for two years, got to know neighbours young and old and was also involved in some local activities/initiatives.

I never met him, never heard anyone mention his name, heard about him turning up to anything or heard anyone say anything good or bad about him. In short, he kept an extremely low profile and I saw no evidence whatsoever that he is the ultimate back-bench 'constituency' MP that he is purported to be....

Ideology, yes. Integrity and a sense of purpose, I'm not so sure.

Daisy yes that's sort of my thinking too.

I don't want my vote not to mean hardly anything, no matter who I vote for I never have a direct impact at Westminster.

We need PR for that to happen.

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I'm a floating voter who is bloody depressed by the whole thing. At this time - more than any other in my adult life I think - we need a strong opposition. And Labour seem unprepared or incapable to provide it.

^this.

Whilst he may appeal to some of the die-hard supporters, I would be surprised if he has general election winning support from other floating voters throughout the day country. It's very sad - the country needs a strong and effective opposition and I just don't see where it is going to come from.

JC reading questions on different topics from his constituents meant Cameron could just produce five or so press releases each week and his nonsense went unchallenged. no follow up, no dissection of responses. A political stunt and abdication of leadership. Corbyn abandoned that approach last week and had May on the ropes over the selection at 11 plans. He could have been doing that all year.

I don't believe he can win over Tory voters, daryl, nor do I want him to. A Labour Party that appeals to Torys is not one I would vote for.

But I believe he can and will appeal greatly to the millions of young people who've never voted before or been eligible to before - the ones who are being utterly ground down by the policies of this government and its predecessors; who are crying out for change and for a party who will not let them be drowned out by the generations who've grown fat and comfortable on benefits they then denied their children and grandchildren.

The Old Guard are exactly that, and won't be here for much longer. We need to appeal to the younger generation, and I believe the Labour Party as led by Corbyn can do that.

I hope he didn't win. I can see why he appeals to a lot of people in our very capitalist society. But his ideas are not new or revolutionary they are just basic socialist ideas.
He may come across as the underdog, the one who can speak to ordinary people... but to be successful in politics one needs to to be able to speak to everyone, compromise and yes be able to talk without giving anything away!
He has failed to lead an effective opposition, giving the Tories free reign- who thinks he will be any better second time round?
Unfortunately he is not intelligent enough, to stand up to big personalities like Junker, Trump or Clinton , ...

Although I am not a huge fan of Owen either, I hope he can stop the brain train from the party.

I don't think it displays integrity to insist on remaining in your position as party leader when it is obvious to anybody with a pulse that you can't win a general election, can't come close. And if you want to see misogyny have a look at at the hard left including Corbyn - and it bloody pains me to say that.

Titan I was optimistic of that when he first got elected as leader & actually wanted him to win last time but feel he has been totally ineffectual!
The Tories have made one U turn after another, one cock up after another and he has sat back & let them get away with it!
His performance during the referendum campaign or lack of just finished it for me!

I really really hope you're right, that he has inspired lots of young people to get behind him & vote for Labour, and a fairer & more caring society but all I see is sound bites and a vision of some sort of utopia without the policies to back it up.
I hope I'm proved wrong!

Agree wholeheartedly with that Northern!

I like JC, he's the only politician that doesn't come across as smug & superior in interviews & I don't think we need someone with more 'leader' qualities. Is everyone not sick of the standard leader types we've had for years spewing the same tripe?

I think politicians are so used to the script of politicians that they aren't used to straight talkers & honesty, e.g. jC calling out Owen Smith for offering him chairman of the party or whatever that was!

I'm by no means knowledgeable on politics overall but from that I've seen, he's a lot better than anyone I've seen before him.

Nope, I'm dreading it. I've been a party member for 16 years (met my DH through the party in fact) and am now seriously considering leaving. Corbyn is unelectable (the 'he'll win over millions of non-voters" idea is simply a fantasy), and many of his supporters are aggressive, hard left thugs. I know I should stay and fight if he wins but I can't see there will be much left to fight for.

I love him and hope he wins. A proper politician with integrity and principles.

he's the only politician that doesn't come across as smug & superior in interviews

You see, I think that he does come across as smug. And rattled and tetchy very easily when put under any pressure. Easy enough to say we're sick of slick politicians but we live in a media age and all parties need to attract voters who don't obsessively follow politics. They do often vote on appearances.

I'd be interested to know the ages of the very pro-Corbyn fans.

I don't think it displays integrity to insist on remaining in your position as party leader when it is obvious to anybody with a pulse that you can't win a general election, can't come close. And if you want to see misogyny have a look at at the hard left including Corbyn - and it bloody pains me to say that.

This with bells on.

Conservative voter, so fingers crossed Corbyn wins. I cannot emphasise what an absolute Godsend he's been for us. People might waffle sentimentally about a strong opposition being necessary for a proper democratic process but as far as I'm concerned this buffoon can stay in place until he croaks it.

Good luck Jezza, you useless fossil.

Not excited. The 2020 election is already lost. 2025 will be a write off soon.

Years of Tory rule are stretching out ahead of me .

Very excited. He has changed the whole face of British politics. It shows the amazing power of ordinary people coming together and defeating the entire media, the great and good and the bien pensant. It gives hope that the people's voice will prevail.

'which of his policies do you think will persuade the large number of Tory voters needed to win an election to switch to Labour? '

You have got the old, grey vote, mainly Tory who are worried about the shocking standard of care for the elderly and the cost of it. If Corbyn speaks to them, he wins the election. Even the trendies like Owen Jones realise that Corby has to appeal to the increasing ageing population.

Tim Farron is onto it. In his speech, he said we created a National Health Service and now we need a National Care Service. But Farron is all mouth and trousers and can't deliver. Only Corbyn can do it and he won't accept the Blairite arguments that it can't be paid for. Corbyn will likely transform the country just as he has transformed politics and defeated the media and all the hangers-on as well as the 172.

Yesterday's poll showed May ahead f corbyn on he NHS. Has a labour leader ever polled worse than a Tory PM on the NHS? Corbyn's numbers are terrible with older people. There my be an election in spring next year, Corbyn has already said Labour will support the govt on that.

Corbyn hasn't been given a chance because the media, the BBC, the 172 and all their mates have tried to sabotage Corbyn and end his leadership. But it looks like the Corbynistas have remained loyal to Corbyn and that they have defeated the entire media and metropolitan elite.

"Researchers preparing to SUE the BBC over biased Jeremy Corbyn coverage"

evolvepolitics.com/researchers-will-sue-bbc-over-corbyn-coverage-22-09-16/

People are fed up of being treated unfairly and unequally by a clique of adminstrators and bureaucrats on salaries in the hundreds of thousands telling taxpayers that there isn't enough money around to treat them fairly while MPs pocket expenses, grandstand for regime change against Gaddafi, drop bombs that cost millions and lobby for pharmaceutical companies, hedge funds and banks.

"Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/02/obese-patients-and-smokers-banned-from-all-routine-operations-by/

When Corbyn stands up for ordinary people and says enough is enough and explains that the metropolitan elite don't care because they all go private and have their own charidees which are tax empt, then people will vote for someone who stands up for them at last and there is nothing the BBC will be able to do to stop them.

No not looking forward to it of course Corbyn is going to win and carry on with destroying the Labour Party and carry on leading a usless opposition. It's all so pointless as he will never ever be PM of this country

He is losing support of the electorate shown in poll after poll and more importantly by votes

What i am looking forward to is getting to work on supporting a candidate that will replace Corbyn, the cracks are starting to show he won't pull the party together and he has already shown how useless he is at leading the opposition (ffs not even challanging May about Brexit)

I am confused as to the 4 million (last week it was 5 million) of voters Corbyn supporters claim of that Blair lost he won with the largest swing of voters and three consecutive elections some really do believe anything they are told

And now Ken Livingston is taking about deselection of those that don't get into line

This is what Corbyn's labour is about changing the party to how he and a few on the left want the party to be regardless of those who have voted for the labour mp's

I know, it is endless. MPs do not represent members, they represent constituents, we need at least 11.5 million votes, not 600k, yada yada yada.

I am sure the media has been biased but that doesn't mean he is a good leader, has integrity or can win a GE. I am a lifelong Labour voter and member since 2010 (NB I waited till after both Blair and Brown had left office) and all I see is evidence that he is not, and cannot. Hearing people say we don't need to win tory votes just makes me despair.

'I am sure the media has been biased but that doesn't mean he is a good leader'

People don't care about "leaders". the Corbynistas like Corbyn because of his principles and policies, as will the general public, not because of his ability to pat Owen Smith on the back and grant him "meetings" to tell him how to do his job and to masage Owen's egol. No one cares about Owen, it is Corbyn's policies they like.

Corbyn will win Tory voters, just as Blair did, if Corbyn offers them what they want and if he can understand their fears about job insecurity and poor health treatment.

Corbyn has already shown that he is more in tune with the public than Owen Smith, the 172, the BBC, Cameron and Tim Farron by not opposing Brexit. That means that Tory voters will be inclined to listen to what Corbyn has to say, as will the working class Labour vote in the North.