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Excited about the Labour leadership announcement

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Badgoushk · 22/09/2016 20:06

For full disclosure I'm a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. I'm quite excited and hopeful that he's won again. Anyone else feeling it?!

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Lalsy · 28/09/2016 18:32

My main objections to corbyn are his fondness for people who should e beyond the pale, his foreign policy, his competence, his leadership, his ability to work with others, and the nasty sexist (and the rest) bit of the party he comes from that put me of Labour politics decdes ago. If he coul articulate domestic policies clearly and develop then coherently, I might agree with many of them.

claig · 28/09/2016 18:47

'My point about his solution to it though, is that it's fantastical nonsense to suggest that if he were he prime minister he could somehow help lower immigration but simply helping to increase wages in other EU countries '

Yes, you're absolutely right. No one seems to be able to get Labour out of this bind and say we must change and come up with a common sene solution.

NataliaOsipova · 28/09/2016 21:39

Lalsy Other than that, though, you think he's a pretty good chap....?

UptownFlunk · 28/09/2016 22:17

I left the Labour Party today. I've supported and voted for them all my life but cannot be a member of a party led by Jeremy Corbyn. I gave him a chance when he was elected the first time, even though I didn't vote for him, but he is a disaster and will never win an election or become Prime Minister. I loathe what he's done to the Labour Party.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 28/09/2016 22:59

If Galloway is let back in as is being very strongly rumoured then that is it for me.

Lalsy · 28/09/2016 23:09

Ooops, forgot I loathe what he has done to the Labour Party. And the country. But, yes, Natalia, Grin.

They'd better have a big post box for all the ripped up cards if they let Galloway back in.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/09/2016 09:46

Galloway! Do they have a death wish? Shock

claig · 29/09/2016 09:56

Galloway is bad news. Have you got a link about the rumours that he may be coming back because I can't find anything on it by googling?

BishopBrennansArse · 29/09/2016 09:59

As far as the press goes I'd be far more content with column inches on policy so that policy can be widely publicised rather than "ooh he's not wearing a tie"

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 29/09/2016 10:15

It wouldn't surprise me if Galloway was allowed back and Livingstone will I'm sure be back in the fold soon

Me2017 · 29/09/2016 10:16

Corbyn in a good man. I wish him well.

Lalsy · 29/09/2016 10:26

It is all over Twitter, Claig. Respect was de-registered recently. Corbyn has apparently said it will go to the NEC. Corbyn congratulated Galloway in 2012 when he beat a Labour candidate in Bradford.

RabbitsNap01 · 29/09/2016 10:27

i honestly can't muster up any respect for JC at all, he's destroying a party I love and have voted for since I could vote. I'm hoping for an early general election so that he gets his rump handed to him and we can move on. DH and I will either not vote, or vote non-labour as any labour vote will be crowed over as a 'victory' for him.

MrsWobble3 · 29/09/2016 10:27

I was talking to dh about the plan to reduce immigration by increasing wages in other countries and pointing out the absurdity of assuming a UK prime minister could do anything to influence/achieve this. But dh pointed out that I am wrong - as it is the relative wages that matter all the uk needs to do is reduce relative uk wages and this is easily done by devaluation. So it is an achievable objective and not just a piece of rhetoric.

BishopBrennansArse · 29/09/2016 10:29

I do believe Gorgeous George returning would be political suicide.

RabbitsNap01 · 29/09/2016 10:30

reducing UK wages is hardly what JC is for though - his plan to have a 'living wage' and shunt that in quickly might cause living standards to fall overall if unemployment spikes as a result, other than that, he's hardly campaigning to reduce UK wages.

claig · 29/09/2016 10:35

Thanks, Lalsy.
Galloway is an old-school socialist firebrand who is an excellent speaker and would really attack the Tories but he is also toxic and self-aggrandising and would just turn off 3/4 of the country and totally overshadow Corbyn and ruin everything for Labour.

Lalsy · 29/09/2016 10:44

Galloway seems to have retweeted a tweet suggesting the while helmets had staged the destruction of Aleppo recently. That's not traditional socialism.

Anyway, if it goes to the NEC, surely they are not likely to admit him given he has run against Labour candidates so recently?

Kaija · 29/09/2016 13:25

It's a good point, MrsWobble. The vote to leave and consequent collapse of the pound has already made the uk poorer, and a less attractive place to live and work for other EU citizens. So that work is to a large extent done.

I wish I could believe that the likely drop in EU immigration as a result of this would appease anti-immigrant sentiment, but I suspect as prices start to rise relative to wages people will just tend to get angrier and less tolerant.

Raffles1981 · 30/09/2016 15:12

My boss once said to me that we are not voting for politicians we want anymore, just voting for the ones who can do the least harm. That is pretty much how I see politics these days. None of them want to make a change. They just want a job that comes with perks. IMO.

0phelia · 30/09/2016 15:46

Corbyn can't win an election therefore I refuse to vote for him even though I agree with most of his policies.

ClaudiaApfelstrudel · 30/09/2016 16:47

of course Corbyn can win, in fact based on all the actual by-election and council election results since Corbyn took charge of the Labour Party the results have been relatively good.

You won't find that reported on the BBC though as it's become the mouthpiece of the Tory party

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 30/09/2016 16:52

of course Corbyn can win, in fact based on all the actual by-election and council election results since Corbyn took charge of the Labour Party the results have been relatively good.

Of course he can't win.

His polling is through the floor (oh and polls historically over estimate Labours position so it's in reality probably even worse).

Council results weren't wonderful and athe least one of those by elections and the London mayoral election Corbyn was kept well away from.

The by elections were also Labour strong holds and good local candidates.

However let's blame the media, it's all their fault... Hmm

ClaudiaApfelstrudel · 30/09/2016 16:56

the Lib Dems are making huge inroads into the Tories, and JC is holding his own = this all means a possible Labour victory.

Don't forget, JC only has to perform marginally better than Ed Miliband OR the Lib Dems have to smash the Tories.

Both of those things are currently happening based on real actual results, not biased and weighted polling

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 30/09/2016 17:00

Don't forget, JC only has to perform marginally better than Ed Miliband OR the Lib Dems have to smash the Tories.

No he has to perform a lot lot better with boundary changes. He also has to keep hold of the previous Labour voters.

He has to win marginals and he won't.

I live in a Labour stronghold with many swing voters. The demographic of the constituents however it will turn Tory at the next GE if he stays.