Excited about the Labour leadership announcement

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For full disclosure I'm a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. I'm quite excited and hopeful that he's won again. Anyone else feeling it?!

Yes, maybe about a new party. Tho Corbyn seems more interested in STW and so on than slogging on to protect workers' rights.

I will stop now, and sorry for the length of this but this was written a year ago just before JC became leader, and seems so prescient, so a few quotes:

"The fact is, this leadership election could end up enabling a de facto right-wing one-party state."
and
"Incredulous hacks, digging not-very-deep, have uncovered a seam of words and deeds so appallingly and astonishingly ill-judged, they cannot believe their luck. Do not doubt that there will be a whole lot more of this. "
and
"Corbyn seems to think that anti-imperialism is a simple thing: you just seek out some underdogs and slap them on the back. Never mind who or what they are; never mind the dungeons dark and gallows grim these “friends” provide for the secular Left, wherever they find them"

In a similar vein, did you see the guardian article by hirsch, the man behind some of the living wage research saying the policy needed much more thought?

Thanks, Rabbits, interesting.

According to Peter Waugh, Corbyn's interview on r4 was pre-recorded as Corbyn isn't 'a morning person'.....

Is the Hirsch article in the Guardian about JMs proposal for the living wage?

[bangs head on desk]. This is like when he couldn't be in a room alone with Tom Watson. Or Andy Burnham. Andy Burnham

'According to Peter Waugh, Corbyn's interview on r4 was pre-recorded as Corbyn isn't 'a morning person'.....'

Corbyn dictates the terms. But it wasn't a good interview, it was poor from Corbyn. Confused thinking and the same old platitudes and no sign that he is able to engage with teh real issues that concern the public.

But it is still early days and Labour will have to change and adapt over the years to remain relevant, particularly as they have lost Scotland and are facing challenges in the North and Wales.

Personally, I think that the journalist, Rachel Shabi, a Corbyn supporter, would make an excellent Labour MP on the left and would easily appeal to the whole country.

He's not a morning person? Well, he wouldn't be would he. He only earns a six figure salary after all .

Well that's great

International situations can change at anytime but talks will have to be held off as Corbyn isn't a morning person

Just as well he will never be PM or in a position where he will be relied on at such times

*International situations can change at anytime but talks will have to be held off as Corbyn isn't a morning person

Just as well he will never be PM or in a position where he will be relied on at such times*

Enthusiasm As you say, unlikely to be a big worry for national security.....!!

Can you imagine?

"PM Corbyn, the President of France (or whomever) needs to speak to you urgently about overnight developments relating to international crisis XYZ.We have reason to believe the UK is under imminent threat"

"Er, sorry, he's still in bed. He's not a morning person, you see".

"He's in BED?!"

"Yes. We're trialling a new way of doing politics. Can you call back in a couple of hours?"

"........"

Don't they realise how terrible this looks. And how it lets Theresa May look competent and in charge, mainly by staying silent and out of sight. Tom Watson great on her yesterday.

I loved Tom Watson's speech and the way he dealt with the heckler.

And Corbyn followers would still claim that's perfectly fine

Have to watch the Tom Watson's speech in full

Lalsy!
Andy Burnham as a threatening figure requires an enormous imagination doesn't it!

, I know. A J-Cloth is scarier.

To be fair, a J-cloth may harbour some quite nasty bacteria.

I have just done a calculation based on current opinion polls from Electoral Calculus and Uk Polling report based on Labour losing 50 more seats . Meaning Labour are currently need to gain an average of 10,554 votes in each of the 142 seats mentioned 92 need to win + 50 projected to lose = 142 !. Based on 633 seats means Labour need to gain another 7 Millon votes to form a Majority Government.

Mini do you actually believe someone that keeps saying 'Socialism' and having Unlimited Immigration is going to gain '50,000' votes let alone 7 Million!

Roll on Grammar schools!

Labour will be very lucky to have 150 seats after the next election !

The majority of which will be Liverpool, the North East, Sheffied and Manchester . They will be virtually extinct West and south of Slough they will be left with 1 seat west of Slough ! Bristol South.

Ben Bradshaw will lose Exeter the Labour will lose Bristol East.

Yeah, I strongly suspect Labour are going to lose a significant amount of seats in the next election.

JC 'fans' just don't see it though.

Thinking about it, I believe they are genuinely convinced that if only the MSM stopped being so mean and horrid and gave their Dear Leader the adoring, uncritical coverage which he deserves for being so marvellous, the electorate would realise THE TRUTH and flock to the Labour Party en masse and we'd all live in a socialist paradise forever and ever, amen.

My fear is that May does actually call a snap election in the next 12 months or so. Labour of course will be trounced and likely lose seats but in the aftermath of that, even then Corbyn will not resign! While he is the firm favourite of Labour party membership he will believe he is the best leader despite any GE results. I'm beginning to think nothing will make him to resign, ever. What then? At that point the party might have to split.

Oh and I love his "solution" for immigration, no limits but instead to solve the problem of low wages in the economies of all the poor EU countries where economic migrants come from, so they won't need to come to the UK. Brilliant, as someone without any power in the UK government he is somehow going to fix other EU countries' economic issues. That sounds achievable doesn't it...

Stephen Bush calculated in the New Statesman that Labour will need a 97 size landslide to win a majority f one (after boundary changes I think).

From memory, Labour need 11.5 million votes in the right places to win a majority now.

'My fear is that May does actually call a snap election in the next 12 months or so. '

Diane James, UKIP leader, has said she thinks there may be an election in May 2017. Corbyn thinks there might be one. Some commentators say May should wait until the boundary changes go through which is later, I think, because after that Labour will be in even more trouble.

Corbyn's solution on immigration is not really much different from Ed Miliband's except that Corbyn is explicit about it. Owen Smith supported nearly all of Corbyn's policies apart from Trident. So there is not much real difference between them. Labour are unprepared to really change and challenge their dogma.

Oh I know, Corbyn is practically a Blairite on the issue of immigration. I personally am fine with unlimited immigration but I know many of the electorate are not and that will be a problem for Corbyn in a GE. My point about his solution to it though, is that it's fantastical nonsense to suggest that if he were he prime minister he could somehow help lower immigration but simply helping to increase wages in other EU countries so that people don't leave their home countries.