Are Court Seers/Oracles/Astrologers still used today?

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Throughout history there appears to be a Court Seer/Oracle/Astrologer that Kings and Queens or other leaders turn to for guidance. And their insights were taken seriously in decision making too.

Documentary on Netflix suggests the blood moon during the fall of Constantinople spelled omens. Heeding these astrological omens influenced Ottoman leader Mehmed II’s decision making, leading to his side successfully conquering Constantinople, modern day Istanbul.

I think it’s fascinating that an astrological omen was identified, taken seriously in decision making by a leader and acted on with the predicted results coming true.

Do modern day leaders (kings or queens or emperors or empresses) still turn to omen and spiritual sign readers? Or has that art been lost or dismissed in favour of something else?

What are you on? I have not even mentioned her in this thread at all.

Two points: First, perhaps seemingly pedantic but meaningful in interpretation, that is actually not what John 1:1 says. You’ve now misquoted it twice, would be helpful if you actually read it first?
Second; Coronaviruses are a broad family of viruses. COVID19 is the one we’ve had. It’s effect and our reaction to it are certainly meaningful but I fear its name is not. HIV, another pandemic virus, is a retrovirus. Does that mean that teens wearing “retro” 80s shell suit tops are destined to get AIDS? Let’s hope not.

Sorry, I see you've now expanded this theory to the King.

I think the pertinent question regarding signs are what they are there for. Personally my faith believes the purpose of them is simply to draw us closer to God and strengthen faith. As for our actions, I'm a Christian so would interpret how God's wants us to act in terms of Jesus. And anyone can pray to God that they will do His will and believe that this will be granted in faith as it is God's will we do His will. The only hindrance is ourselves.

In terms of the succession to the throne, I would ask who, if they have to be perfect belongs there?...

I am aware of that. But I’m also aware that God sends signs and messages using language and names.

Presumably you mean that you believe that, not that you're aware of that. Do you have any proof that God (which god?) sends signs and messages? I expect that pretty much all religious believers since the dawn of human existence believed that their particular deity or deities sent signs and messages, many of which probably contradicted the ones sent by other people's deities. And everyone thinks everyone else is making theirs up! It's hard to understand how religious people seem to fail to grasp the utter absurdity of this!

@Palmfrond “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” that’s John 1:1 according to NIV bible.

I was highlighting the bit that seemed relevant. The word corona (meaning crown) and God are synonymous because it’s about his sovereignty - that he has had in the beginning.

Human language is a miracle.

Second; Coronaviruses are a broad family of viruses. COVID19 is the one we’ve had. It’s effect and our reaction to it are certainly meaningful but I fear its name is not.

Do you think it has been meaningful in any spiritual way?

If god is sending a sign or message then I think the name corona matters because it has to be accessible for everyone to understand that it’s coming from God. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be fair (and I believe God is concerned with justice and fairness).

Most people understand the symbolism of crown (corona) being synonymous with God (this symbolism was used in times when most the population were illiterate).

You’re talking about the scientific background and detail that a lot of experts and educated people are likely to know, but it’s knowledge that wouldn’t necessarily be known by the average layperson around the world.

It’s the power of one single word in the whole wide world. Corona. Isn’t one word that’s meaningful to everyone (including people who never had a chance to be educated) more effective for God getting a universal message across to the world?

No such thing as a stupid question

The word corona (meaning crown) and God are synonymous.

I don't think you know what 'synonymous' means.

Synonymous in terms of the symbolism.

Crown, even in the thesaurus I just checked, is synonymous with sovereignty and sovereign.

What does it mean that God is sovereign?

@Fairislefandango

"Presumably you mean that you believe that, not that you're aware of that."

If you don't mind, as a person of faith, I'd like to respond to this.

Essentially, what do you think the distinction between belief and awareness is? If, for example, we are talking about something you have not personally physically experienced. Do you believe what you read or are you aware of it? You might cite repeatability but if we are talking about events which are incredibly complex and interdependent on various contextual factors then repeatability is perhaps a little unrealistic. And then what about the biological variation between the way senses interpret stimuli, expressive language variations, receptive language variations....etc etc?

"I expect that pretty much all religious believers since the dawn of human existence believed that their particular deity or deities sent signs and messages, many of which probably contradicted the ones sent by other people's deities."

I don't... necessarily... just appreciate interpretations and understanding of events and their retelling can be as individual as the participants experiencing them and the contexts they occurred within.

Hi Op
Notramadoes was a famously intuitive in history
So did the virgin Queen 1 of England, had Obviously advisor's, but also had a intuitive adviser too, she consulted for alternative take on stuff that she was curious about.

I read somewhere about this a long time time ago

Hi Op

What about Learnado devinchi Artist genius, who drew Artworks of concept of flying objects in 15 or 16 century,
Before obviously , flying objects were created,

He was obviously a visionary ahead of his time in his way of thinking,
I amagine cause he was so far ahead visionary way of thinking people at the time would have thought he was very eccentric weird, as they probably couldn't amagine people being able to fly one day in Aeroplanes at all ect...

What do you think then?

Her court magician was John Dee.

@Goodread1 exactly. Good examples.

Will look into John Dee.

Elizabeth 1st had a connection with the Ottomans too. Elizabeth I and the Ottomans: An alliance that saved England

Does anybody know the name,
of the Indian mathematical genius who predicted the missing chemical element of Periodic table then?

How did he know that then?

Dmitri Mendeleev? He wasn’t Indian, he was Russian.

Did you mean someone else?

The actual name of the virus that caused the pandemic is SARS-CoV-2. It causes an infection called COVID19.

you are a tremendous example of confirmation bias.

He was more than a magician.

John Dee (13 July 1527 – 1608 or 1609) was an English mathematician, astronomer, astrologer, teacher, occultist, and alchemist.[4] He was the court astronomer for, and advisor to, Elizabeth I, and spent much of his time on alchemy, divination, and Hermetic philosophy.

Hi Op
I thought he was of 🇮🇳 indian ethnicity,

Thanks for clarifiy that, he was of Russian ancestry,

Also I was thinking about quite well known noteworthy true story hit the news a while ago,
Of a Archeologist who intuitively discovered the Hunch back king of England's last resting place underneath a car park in Leicester.

Shakespeare famous playwright wrote a famous play about this infamous king of England and two prince's kept in tower of London as prisoners.

You’re thinking of it like a scientist.

I’m thinking about this like marketing (from God’s perspective). Getting the world’s attention with one effective word that has power. Corona.

Then you get people like me wondering if that one word, corona (which means crown), was chosen by God’s marketing team for a reason.

God needs a new PR firm if that’s the case.

Why?

That marketing team has got the power of the one word ‘corona’ across to the world effectively and to practically everyone (rich, poor, educated, uneducated etc).

Corona (three syllables) sounds like a gentler word than monosyllabic crown (but means the same thing).

And they added another word too, COVID-19, which usefully contains the corresponding year. If this is part of something bigger, referencing years might become important for compiling a Corona themed catalogue of events.

Re: Mehmed II, perhaps it's worth thinking about why the phrase "self-fulfilling prophecy" exists.

Re: everything else, I'm sure you're going to reject this suggestion outright, but I believe you should have a bit of a think about whether you've always been prone to seeing profound or secret meanings and connections in things that the people around you don't see, or whether this is a new direction for you. It can be a sign that you might need some help with your mental health or dealing with stress.

You never did answer how corona beer or the footballer named corona fit into this. Is corona in california the promised land? ehat about corona software, corona energy, a light fixture called corona? How do they all fit into gods plan?

Sales increased for corona beer during the pandemic, maybe this was all just a big marketing campaign for them not God.

The Japanese Buddhist Shingon school uses astrology and so does the Emperor's sect Tendai ( I trained in it) astrology and magical practices are a big part of it.
Christianity was very involved in astrology and magic see alchemy until Protestantism . People here really are clueless!