the Petition for a 2nd referendum

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Apologies if this has already done the circuits (I'm sure it has, but I've had a look and can't see it) but here's the link to the petition calling for a revote as less than 75% of the population voted and the margin was so tight.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

AIBU to think that its perfectly reasonable to expect a revote considering that in less than 4 hours after the results, the Leave campaign backed out of some of their most significant promises?

Wrong thread although still valid

Not the government would exactly be overthrowing the result of the referendum if they held another referendum. It makes an absolute farce of voting in the first place. And in response to the claim that the leave campaign was built on lies; can someone please tell me what they think about George Osborne's diabolical threats against pensioners and this emergency budget if we voted Brexit. How is that in the spirit of parity and a clean campaign. As it stands George Osborne is in hiding and Jeremy Corbyn has said that in no way would an emergency punishment budget be supported or allowed. But are these lies allowed because they frightened a few percent more into voting remain, obviously the only correct way to vote?

To imply that those who voted to leave didn't understand the issues on the basis of a few newspaper reports about idiots is insulting in the extreme

I'm not saying that all those who voted Leave didn't understand the issues. Not AT ALL. I'm sure that there are a lot of very valid, very measured arguments for the Leave camp.
But since the results, a huge number of voters have come forward with clearly little idea about the politics, or panicking "they didn't mean it" etc etc.

Signed, in hope rather than expectation. Tap the image to show how the 'population' made their opinion clear.

So, all those who voted to remain, tell me this truthfully. Had the results been reversed with Remain getting 52% of the vote, would you all now be saying we must have a second referendum

The reverse is true as well. Had it gone the other way, would the Leavs be saying we need a second referendum? I believe that Farage said, in advance, that he would not let it lie.

All parties vote in run ups to the GE. Never seen a petition for a revote.

Sorry all parties lie*

I think they tend to twist the truth rather than outright lie. I don't trust any politicians to tell be the straight truth but I don't expect them to tall such huge whoppers as the "£30billion for the NHS" or whatever it was. The advert was appalling.

Exactly what mooseboots said. If it's such a wonderful result and the leave campaign feel like "winners" then why have I seen people all over the news whining about how worried they are about the future despite them voting to leave? Really, it's infuriating. What did they think would happen? Dear me.

This is a good point though:

You want to prove the point by saying their vote doesn't matter and want to have another one and keep going until you get what you want

but, if wanting their vote to count matter so much, then why all the hand ringing by those who voted to leave at the result? Are they so used to feeling disenfranchised that they never thought what they did would make a difference? The whole thing is a fucking mess. There never would have been a referendum if it wasn't for certain politicians trying to ensure their own political success by promising one. That's another bunch of people (certain politicians) now wringing hands / resigning / back-pedalling. When will people learn there are consequences to playing the masses like a fucking fiddle?

A re-vote wouldn't be telling people their votes didn't matter - it would be telling them their votes DO matter, and to vote again.
Plus would be telling the 25% who didn't vote (presumably because they're disenchanted with the system, were undecided or simply didn't care) that their vote does matter - which is a good message to send.

Scotland wants to run theirs until their government get the result they want

No, that is not what is happening in Scotland. Many people voted against independence because they were repeatedly told that the only way to stay in the EU would be to remain within the UK.

Despite voting 62% to remain in the EU, we are now being dragged out.

The resurgence in desire for wanting indyref2 is so that we can remain in an outward looking, globalised group with access to a free trade area and a place in some of the largest trade deals that will be made.

Had the result been to remain, there would not be the passion there is today for indyref2. The majority of people voted 'Yes' have made peace with the choice that was democratically reached, but Thursday's results fundamentally change the deal that was on the table.

FWIW, I voted Remain purely because Leave didn't convince me to change the status quo. Nothing they said made me think "yes, we must leave".

Actually, that NHS advert made quite a difference to my opinion as I could see it was bollocks.

I don't get this call for a second referendum. Leave won, Remain lost. If people were that bothered about voting remain, they shouldn't have voted leave or not voted at all. People can't change your mind now. It's a bit late.

If a second referendum is called, it will open a can of worms, no actually it will be pandoras box.

You are basically saying, do it again because you are stupid and voted wrong, change your vote and you can then be counted and accepted.

It's a bad idea, the British Public are not afraid to protest and riot. Fro Peter loo to the Rebecca Riots. Dismissing 17million people is never a wise idea...

I think it's one huge mess TBH.

I don't think such a big decision should have been based on one simplistic vote where such a narrow margin could win.

But, that is the way it was run.

FFS Farage isn't an elected MP! He wasn't even an official figure in the leave campaign. He can say what he likes about the NHS but it doesn't change the fact that he has no say over the allocation of the budget. This was his line! Not the leave campaign's line. It would be like voting for remain because Bob Geldoff stuck his fingers up at some protesting fishermen, and agreeing with that because you don't like fish.

Off the top of my head, I wonder if it would have been better run with a set majority in place and then run every year until one side won. Obviously this probably wouldn't work on a practical level!

This is anti-democratic petulance. People should put their energy into figuring out how and why this happened and using this new situation to build a better country from it

You are basically saying, do it again because you are stupid and voted wrong, change your vote and you can then be counted and accepted.

Not at all.
We're saying - do it again because an awful number of Leave voters seem to have changed their minds and the Leave campaign have backed out of their biggest campaign argument.
If it comes up as Leave again, I won't argue at all. There's nothing to argue after that.

What Nigel Farage says hardly matters. Is this the 'broken promise' you speak of?

Plus would be telling the 25% who didn't vote (presumably because they're disenchanted with the system, were undecided or simply didn't care) that their vote does matter - which is a good message to send.

Surely you realise this is not how elections work?

Again, its not telling people their votes counted for nothing and that they made a stupid decision.
Infact i said to some people that if you honestly didnt know what you were voting for, please dont vote at all, because you may just cause a disaster you dont know how to handle, and you know what happened? i got told i was a nazi and should go back in time to the second world war and see how long i last with that attitude.

It is telling people to ACTUALLY do their research and telling them that their vote really does matter, and not to make a decision on a whim.
The fact that the biggest googled phrase at 10pm after the voting had closed was "what is the EU?" is terrifying.

People can quite happily just vote leave again if thats what they really think and THEN we would have made a solid decision if it turns out we choose that again.

However it is their own law that says, and i quote "We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum."

There has to be at least 60% in a vote like this for it to be viable.

Off the top of my head, I wonder if it would have been better run with a set majority in place and then run every year until one side won.

Cameron had an option to put a % margin in. They didn't.

You seriously want to do this every year? How much more division do you think the country can take?

The thing is, a referendum is not an election. We are all familiar with how elections work and it would be unthinkable to re-run a parliamentary election. However, our parliamentary election system is devised in such a way that a very close result does not result in a majority government. In addition, parliamentary elections are held every 5 years, so if you change your opinion, at least there will be a chance to vote differently in the near future.

It is not uncommon for referenda to be re-run, especially those which have a very close result. A 52-48 split is a tiny majority. Nigel Farage said in May that a 52-48 vote in favour of Remain would leave "unfinished business".

This referendum was not an election, it was to show opinion. People may have changed their opinion now the result is in and they can start to understand the real consequences. Equally, they may not have changed their minds and will vote the same. However, this is not something we can try out for 5 years and then re-vote on. We will never be offered EU membership under our existing terms again.

We're saying - do it again because an awful number of Leave voters seem to have changed their minds and the Leave campaign have backed out of their biggest campaign argument.

Do you understand that Nigel Farage has no say over the NHS budget?

Referendum results are final. Changes of mind after the event don't matter.