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the Petition for a 2nd referendum

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NotAnotherNameChangeAgain · 25/06/2016 13:23

Apologies if this has already done the circuits (I'm sure it has, but I've had a look and can't see it) but here's the link to the petition calling for a revote as less than 75% of the population voted and the margin was so tight.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

AIBU to think that its perfectly reasonable to expect a revote considering that in less than 4 hours after the results, the Leave campaign backed out of some of their most significant promises?

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Bumblebzz · 25/06/2016 14:20

I've signed but more to express my frustration, there is no way they will run another referendum. More likely that Boris will weasel his way out of a full EU exit given that the referendum is not legally binding unless parliament ratifies a response.
I'll be voting with my feet though, already planning to uproot my family from London - luckily most of us have non Uk EU passports. Shocked by the xenophobia in parts of this country, and double shocked it's allowed to be expressed on national TV, this was not the case 20, 10 or even 5 years ago.
Expect a massive brain drain from London and the rest of the U.K. will
miss the tax receipts.

trafalgargal · 25/06/2016 14:20

I've never marched politically in my life but if a referendum with such a high turn out was rejected and rerun by our government I most certainly would protest in any way I could. I can't imagine a bigger abuse of democracy than allowing the bullies and whiners a second vote simply because they didn't like the majority vote.

catbasilio · 25/06/2016 14:20

If the result was opposite and the Remain campaign backtracked, I would be happwith the 2nd referendum. In fact I think is necessary.

This is very different from general elections!

Mooseboots · 25/06/2016 14:20

also people seem to have quickly forgotten about when UKIP didnt win a couple of years ago and Farage took a hissy fit and stepped down from that party, come on, he's hardly reliable...

NewLife4Me · 25/06/2016 14:20

I didn't vote, but have made my mind up if there was another one I'd vote out, are you sure you want to sign petitions, I'm sure I'm not alone.

OrangesandLemonsNow · 25/06/2016 14:21

Again, its not telling people their votes counted for nothing and that they made a stupid decision

That is exactly how swaths and swaths of people that feel disenfranchised would feel.

They feel as if they aren't listened to and now you are telling them we don't like your decision so we want to do it again so we can win.

NotAnotherNameChangeAgain · 25/06/2016 14:21

The fact that the biggest googled phrase at 10pm after the voting had closed was "what is the EU?" is terrifying.

Is this true??? Shock That's awful!

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Musicinthe00ssucks · 25/06/2016 14:21

There has to be at least 60% in a vote like this for it to be viable.

No there doesn't. It is viable. Even with one vote either way it would have been viable

Mooseboots · 25/06/2016 14:21

AppleSetsSail - Yes, but some of the leave voters didnt, most of my family members infact.

rjet1245 · 25/06/2016 14:23

How many referendums would be needed to get to 60% for either side. They cost a lot of money to keep running these referendums. Who's going to pay for them.

SoupDragon · 25/06/2016 14:24

He can say what he likes about the NHS but it doesn't change the fact that he has no say over the allocation of the budget.

Did he have a say over that awful advert about how much better the NHS would be out of Europe? No, I think that was the Leave campaign.

WaitrosePigeon · 25/06/2016 14:24

It's final, sorry.

blitheringbuzzards1234 · 25/06/2016 14:25

Uncertain. Surely those who voted Remain will still do so and Out voters will do the same? Those who couldn't be bothered will still not make the effort. We can't go on repeating this until we get a more agreeable result. All these will cost time and money and surely, due to the very narrow margin the counting was done extremely carefully?

PanEuropeanPan · 25/06/2016 14:25

Who's going to pay for them. - The EU Don't Be Such A Lot Of Wingnuts Fund.

Mooseboots · 25/06/2016 14:25

NotAnotherNameChangeAgain - Yes the three biggest searches were -
"What is the EU?"
"How to emigrate"
"Where can i sell my gold"

OrangesandLemonsNow - Whats best for this country is to do it again to see what the result would be like the second time around, now that people have already started to notice the damage. Like i say, if it still remains that the majority of people would vote to be out, then fine, i'd respect that, but how many people have you seen today that are saying "oops."

Musicinthe00ssucks - Then why did i just get that quote of the governments website?

Bogeyface · 25/06/2016 14:27

If it comes up as Leave again, I won't argue at all. There's nothing to argue after that.

There is nothing to argue now!

Voters remorse is not a valid reason to rehold a referendum. The only reason would be if it could be proved that the voting system itself was flawed such as miscounting or spoiling legitimate papers for example. "Because some people made a mistake" is not just cause.

And I would suggest that the reason "so many" (I would be interested to see actual numbers) regretful Leavers have been in the media is to "prove" that all Leavers were wrong and stupid. In fact I would guess that there are just as many people who think they voted wrongly after a GE, but its in no ones interest to publicise that. I made a mistake in the GE, I regret the way I voted as it was a wasted vote, but no one was interested in that!

rjet1245 · 25/06/2016 14:28

What damage? I don't think you can assess the impact within 24 hours. You need to give it time. I'm sure people who voted didn't expect people to be fine and dandy within a day. IMHO, it's a risk worth taking

Mooseboots · 25/06/2016 14:29

But the voting system was flawed because the reasons for voting were based on lies that were admitted to on the morning of the results?

QuintessentialShadow · 25/06/2016 14:30

Dont be daft.

Seriously? Why ruin the democratic process?

Somebody should have thought to let young people vote too, in this referendum. Why presume that old people know any better than young people? Why presume that the young would vote any differently? We only hear from those who rage against the vote!

You are just going to appear even more silly, uninformed and more uneducated, to the rest of Europe than you already do now, in the wake of the emerging consequences, if you push for a second referendum.

You all had plenty of time to educate, inform yourselves and seek knowledge and debate in-between yourselves, instead you have chosen to listen to propaganda and go into a frenzy about immigration, border control, and NHS funds. You are not little children!

If people are so stupid they vote without understanding what they are voting for or against, whats to guarantee they are going to vote any differently a second time? And how many votes do you think voted "Leave" because
a) they dont like the political elite (as if Leaving will change that)
b) they did not understand the ramifications
c) they honestly had no clue that other aspects of their daily life might change
d) they believed in the lies from the Leave campaign (dont you think they still do?)
e) they have decided they are no longer racist (HA! Fat chance)
f) they have had a light bulb moment and realized they were wrong
g) they voted to Leave even though they wanted to stay, because they honestly thought they were punishing Cameron or some other bullshit

??

And dont tell me it is not about being xenophobic. It is a big part of it. Having lived in the UK give or take a few years since 1993, I know it is. I have lived in London and experienced a growing resentment of all the foreigners, and Britain for the British. Especially among the elderly. I have had the all "oh you foreigners, it is so easy to come london and make it big, you get everything you need served on a plate" Not true. High tuition fees, no knowledge of the system, no knowledge or information about any benefits (other than child benefit which I claimed while we were still eligible, not any more as high rate tax earners)

Well, you are getting that now. Many prepare to leave, as it has been proved to them once and for all that they really are unwelcome. Norwegian news are full of stories of Norwegians, who bring their British spouses and kids to Norway. Their university education, language skills, international exposure, and extensive work experience will make them popular choices for employers, no doubt.

rjet1245 · 25/06/2016 14:31

All politicians lie. The Remain campaign were certainly not innocent of bending the truth.

Mooseboots · 25/06/2016 14:32

rjet1245 -
As i have mentioned in a couple of other posts now, i am only one person and can only speak for myself, but i work in an elite university within the UK and we have had to close down departments due to lack of interest due to the run up and result of the referendum, which in the long run, will have quite a large affect on funding and fees for our own students.

SeasonalVag · 25/06/2016 14:32

We have to get on with it. If the referendum was run again, you'd run the risk of real civil unrest. I'm devastated by the result, but we just have to accept it. This is a democracy.

NotAnotherNameChangeAgain · 25/06/2016 14:34

The country didn't tear itself up when the coalition was brought in after a General Election - and that was something that nobody voted for.

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Mooseboots · 25/06/2016 14:35

SeasonalVag - Do you honestly think there wouldnt have been riots on the street if it hadnt gone the other way,
One person was already murdered because of it, and we had graffiti all over our city saying "Jo Cox deserved it, you're next"

PanEuropeanPan · 25/06/2016 14:36

Civil unrest? Ha!

There'd be a strongly-worded letter in the D. Telegraph, sort of thing, and that would be it.

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