the Petition for a 2nd referendum

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Apologies if this has already done the circuits (I'm sure it has, but I've had a look and can't see it) but here's the link to the petition calling for a revote as less than 75% of the population voted and the margin was so tight.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

AIBU to think that its perfectly reasonable to expect a revote considering that in less than 4 hours after the results, the Leave campaign backed out of some of their most significant promises?

Everyone who signed the petition is technically being a bad loser though.

Democracy is only good when the outcome is what I wanted.

Democracy is not holding referendums until you get the vote you want. The majority of the country wanted to leave the EU so we will. It's as simple as that. The only ones who should have any rights to demand another referendum are those who feel they were duped in voting Leave. Neither side had all the facts and still don't.

the Government overthrows the result of the referendum, - the government wouldn't be "overthrowing the result of the referendum" they would be calling for a revote based on significant evidence suggesting that the original vote was not a fair representation of the populace, nor was it based on facts.

If the Government simply ignored the result and stayed, without a 2nd referendum, then that would be entirely wrong.

Anyone care to guess how many petition signatories would be demanding a revote if the Bremainers had won on Thursday?

Which would surely represent an apathetic Leave camp?
Which is currently the argument here - that people aren't voting for their beliefs strongly, but are undecided.

the government wouldn't be "overthrowing the result of the referendum" they would be calling for a revote based on significant evidence suggesting that the original vote was not a fair representation of the populace, nor was it based on facts.

Before we go any further, can you please explain how you reconcile this with the enormous voter turnout? Please?

"there is no harm"
Mark my words, violence will happen and an innocent people like myself and others who can accept the UK is out we will be the ones who are caught up in YOUR tantrum
A MP already died over this.
Just stop it.
Why should we be caught up in some war because you cannot accept you lost.

Op sorry not sorry to kick you when your down, but there will NOT be another referendum. HTH

I totally accept that re-running a referendum just because one side lost is tantrummy and sore loser-ish (those are words yes)? But, what I think is problematic about this result is that people voted out and are now back pedalling and saying "what? This actually happened? But I didn't mean it"! What sort of bullshit is that? That's not a normal reaction of a 'winner' is it? If it wasn't for this I would accept the result and get on with it, but who is going to sort out the shit storm if even the winners' hearts aren't really in it? I don't David Cameron cba either, (from the little I've heard on Bbc world news I'm abroad atm - in another EU country as it goes), despite it being his idea in the first place.

Don't think David Cameron

I have signed the petition, not just because I didn't get my way but because a second referendum in the light of the first would give us a whole new list of indicators on which way to vote.

THIS!
(But far better than I could have written it )

I don't think that he Scottish one is relevant. Scotland voted to stay. End of. That wasn't what Nicola sturgeon wanted. But she is just an opportunist. Using the result of our referendum to claim that Scotland wanted to be part of the EU, so another referendum is required.
No. The fact is they voted to remain. She can't change that.

Op sorry not sorry to kick you when your down, but there will NOT be another referendum. HTHsmile

And I'm the one being childish and having tantrums?

I have not once insulted anyone's opinions, nor accused anyone (except perhaps Nigel Farage) of being smug or wrong.

Which would surely represent an apathetic Leave camp?

No, just the fact that they accept the result.

You didnt get what you wanted, get over it.

Before everyone gets too dewy eyed about staying in the EU, have a read of Yannis Varoufakis's book And the Weak Suffer What They Must?. Or, if you don't want to read it all, have a look at the summaries on Amazon, and then decide if you really want to stay in the EU. Even though he is pro staying in, his analysis of the EU is damning.

Irony of irony that people are complaining about the lack of democracy, because the vote hasn't gone their way, are demanding to remain in one of the most in-democratic bodies outside mainland China!

Everyone seems to have forgotten the Greek crisis, it was only last year, and illustrated how deeply flawed and unstable the whole euro project is. With things as they are I cannot see how the euro could have survived more than a few years more anyway, without full blown political union - which everyone claims they don't want either.

Apparently this petition is growing at a rate of 2,500 PER MINUTE!!

I have signed it, and so has dh.

Sadly, I think notanother is right there. There were a lot of lies. Neither side was glittering white, but the Leave campaign ... Well, the fact that Farage changed his tune on the NHS the day after shows that he knew from the beginning his promises were false.

Perhaps we should introduce tests to make sure voters have enough knowledge to vote

You know, people who apply for UK citizenship have to take a test. Maybe it really isn't a bad idea to administer the same test for people who want to vote.

And oh, introduce proportional representation so that people can really see that their vote can actually achieve something.

Ah well, pigs might grow wings too.

So, all those who voted to remain, tell me this truthfully. Had the results been reversed with Remain getting 52% of the vote, would you all now be saying we must have a second referendum? Do you really think that the Remain campaign presented the absolute facts in the run up to the referendum? To imply that those who voted to leave didn't understand the issues on the basis of a few newspaper reports about idiots is insulting in the extreme. It would appear that the principle of democracy is wonderful until the result doesn't go your way.

I voted remain, and won't sign this. We as a whole voted leave, I wish we hadn't, I think voting again might change the result next time, but that is not good for the country.

It was a democratic process, one which made me ashamed to be British in how it was run, one which makes me sick to my stomach with the result, and one which makes me feel like a foreigner in this the only country I have, (even if my city voted 72+ % to remain, but a new referendum isn't the answer.

Now I would campaign for a general election as the current government do not have a mandate to negotiate on brexit. No-one does. But we have to undertake that process. Now my brexit would be very different from theirs. I would want consumer, employment and environmental protections, rather than care about the pasort to allow the city free trade. I would also welcome free movement, but the problem we now have is we have to agree what we are negotiating and the only way to do that is another ge. I think the Labour Party also ought to agree to support pr to get a coalition with the greens, liberals, plaid and the snp. after all post brexit and assuming no Scotland it can never win an absolute majority ever again....

But if the population including the disillusioned northern cities wants ukip, Tory brexit with tightly controlled immigration but a free market then that is their choice provided they can vote on it to make that choice.

That is there issue now what are we negotiating on. We have rejected the status quo, but the population did not vote for what was going to replace it. We urgently now need to do so.

I have said this elsewhere.

There where a heck of a lot of leave votes, especially from big Labour strongholds that voted that way because they felt completely disenfranchised and not listened to.

You want to prove the point by saying their vote doesn't matter and want to have another one and keep going until you get what you want

The will need a complete and utter backlash.

I have "lost" several votes over the years (though I'm not sure that "winning" and "losing" are appropriate terms here) and have never felt so strongly about it. Because it was a fair vote and a fair representation and I believe in democracy.

But so many people have been let down by their own campaign (see: Nigel Farage backtracking

AIBU to think that its perfectly reasonable to expect a revote considering that in less than 4 hours after the results, the Leave campaign backed out of some of their most significant promises?

Actually, that is a very valid point. They lied and they have admitted lying.

That whiny pathetic fb post about we're not bad losers....ha! Sums up exactly what whingy, self righteous bad losers lots of remainers are. It's more patronizing 'we care more about the country than those who voted leave' cobblers.

As for this nonsense about a petition, and seeking a revote, it's just ridiculous. Where will it end, best of 3? Best of 5? This behaviour, this railing against a DEMOCRATIC process is so pointless and divisive. The decision is made, we just need to get on with it. In the long term I am certain we will not regret it.

Its not about "foot stomping" and not respecting the decision, its that there are FAR too many people that are now saying "Oh crap, i didn't realise that would happen, i didn't actually do my homework" as if it was a multiple choice question in an exam and they just guessed and hoped for the best.

So, all those who voted to remain, tell me this truthfully. Had the results been reversed with Remain getting 52% of the vote, would you all now be saying we must have a second referendum

If the Remain campaigners immediately backed out of the promises they had made then yes. I would be backing a 2nd referendum.

Where was Corbyn during the referendum?

Where was he on all the big debates?

Many of the local Labour members in my CLP voted him for leader. Many have said they wouldn't again.

A rerun is not going to happen. The turnout was high by UK standards, the question was simple and the majority has spoken.