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You've got another think coming...

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soupyspoon · 26/07/2025 11:46

I mean god preserve us (someone will pick me up that I didn't capitalise god ...)

Another thread, which I think we're not allowed to talk about probably, massive argument about...

You've got another think coming.

People think that it's 'you've got another thing coming'

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Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 10:30

mydogisthebest · 28/07/2025 10:23

The saying was "think" but obviously some people (idiots) misheard and thought it was "thing" even though that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Gradually more people used "thing" but no way does that make it right because it's not.

Tell me please how "if you think you are going out in that short skirt you have another thing coming" makes any sense at all. Also how can there be ANOTHER thing when there was not a first one?

I answered both upthread.

I think you're just using this thread to meet some self-imposed quota for typing IDIOTS in block capitals or otherwise. Have fun with it. But if you think that makes you right, well, I think we all know one or two idioms we could apply here ...

CaptainMyCaptain · 28/07/2025 11:20

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 09:24

These aren't idioms (though some are regionalisms).

They are bad grammar or the result of ignorance (Chester Draws).

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 11:26

CaptainMyCaptain · 28/07/2025 11:20

They are bad grammar or the result of ignorance (Chester Draws).

Sure, but the expression under discussion here is perfectly grammatical. People just don't want to accept that it's an established idiom, because they think that one variant has to be wrong.

It's like arguing about eether or eyether. Both are fine. Languages do not evolve to maximum efficiency - they retain variation because human beings are very good at handling it. Using one variant or the other just doesn't make you a connoisseur, an idiot etc - it makes you a person adopting a set phrase (idiom) because that is how language works.

mydogisthebest · 28/07/2025 11:38

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 10:30

I answered both upthread.

I think you're just using this thread to meet some self-imposed quota for typing IDIOTS in block capitals or otherwise. Have fun with it. But if you think that makes you right, well, I think we all know one or two idioms we could apply here ...

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You did not answer. How can there possibly be ANOTHER thing when there was no first thing? Just absolute nonsense and can't believe anyone with a brain would think it makes sense.

I don't think I am right, I know I am. Or maybe that should be "I don't thing I am right" according to you and the other morons

mydogisthebest · 28/07/2025 11:43

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 11:26

Sure, but the expression under discussion here is perfectly grammatical. People just don't want to accept that it's an established idiom, because they think that one variant has to be wrong.

It's like arguing about eether or eyether. Both are fine. Languages do not evolve to maximum efficiency - they retain variation because human beings are very good at handling it. Using one variant or the other just doesn't make you a connoisseur, an idiot etc - it makes you a person adopting a set phrase (idiom) because that is how language works.

How established is it? Think was the original word and remains the correct word. Just because some people have changed it to thing and don't have the sense to realise that is nonsense does not make it right.

Eether or eyether is just about different ways to pronounce a word not whether the word is correct or not.

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 11:44

mydogisthebest · 28/07/2025 11:38

You did not answer. How can there possibly be ANOTHER thing when there was no first thing? Just absolute nonsense and can't believe anyone with a brain would think it makes sense.

I don't think I am right, I know I am. Or maybe that should be "I don't thing I am right" according to you and the other morons

The first thing is the first thought.

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 11:49

mydogisthebest · 28/07/2025 11:43

How established is it? Think was the original word and remains the correct word. Just because some people have changed it to thing and don't have the sense to realise that is nonsense does not make it right.

Eether or eyether is just about different ways to pronounce a word not whether the word is correct or not.

But being established is the only way an idiom becomes "right" - by being used and repeated. There isn't another route. In this case I'd say that song people are talking about on this thread by Judas Priest in 1982 looks like good evidence for an established idiom.

mydogisthebest · 28/07/2025 11:53

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 11:44

The first thing is the first thought.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. You carry on living in your ridiculous world and I will carry on in the real world.

I despair at just how stupid so many people are

PuppyMonkey · 28/07/2025 12:16

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 11:44

The first thing is the first thought.

Or, more accurately, the first THINK.

that’s the joke, just in case you’re still missing it. Which you clearly are.

Steelworks · 28/07/2025 12:19

@mydogisthebest Why do you feel the need to call people an idiot or stupid, or are you trolling? Can’t you just have reasonable discussion like everyone else, without having to name call. You’re not doing yourself any favours.

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 12:34

PuppyMonkey · 28/07/2025 12:16

Or, more accurately, the first THINK.

that’s the joke, just in case you’re still missing it. Which you clearly are.

Sure - I think we're approaching common ground here. Think adds a bit of wordplay. Thing doesn't. But that's fine. It doesn't make either wrong.

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 12:36

mydogisthebest · 28/07/2025 11:53

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. You carry on living in your ridiculous world and I will carry on in the real world.

I despair at just how stupid so many people are

If to be stupid is to disagree with you, you will indeed be surprised how many stupid people you encounter!

BrickBiscuit · 28/07/2025 16:34

SequinsandSoleros · 28/07/2025 12:01

"If you’ve got ‘another thing coming’, you’ve got another think coming | David Marsh | The Guardian" https://www.theguardian.com/media/mind-your-language/2014/nov/18/mind-your-language-another-think

That article says the OED quotes an example from Only Fools and Horses (series 1 episode 6 ’The Russians’): “If you think I’m staying in a lead-lined Nissen hut with you and Grandad and a chemical bloody khazi you’ve got another thing coming.” However this is incorrect. I found the episode online. David Jason as Del Boy inserts a subtle but definite glottal stop and says ‘think coming’ not ‘thing coming’. I found one script online, which also has ’think coming.’ I think the OED is wrong. I also believe Jason would have got this right whatever the original script said. Perhaps their source misinterpreted the phrase, as ‘thing’ can have a ‘k’ or glottal stop as in ‘somefink’. However, even if that is Del Boy’s habit too, it’s too much of a stretch to definitively differentiate the correct from the incorrect word here.

SharpLily · 28/07/2025 19:35

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 11:49

But being established is the only way an idiom becomes "right" - by being used and repeated. There isn't another route. In this case I'd say that song people are talking about on this thread by Judas Priest in 1982 looks like good evidence for an established idiom.

Except this particular idiom in its original form was well established before anyone in Judas Priest was even born.

And indeed it has been established that the original form was 'think'. Those tying themselves in linguistic knots trying to insist that 'thing' makes sense and is accepted use are either not just wilfully but determinedly ignorant, or embarrassed about being caught out getting it wrong. I bet they won't use 'thing' in that context again when talking to anyone but won't admit that here.

Steelworks · 28/07/2025 19:52

You’ve lost your bet. I will continue to use Thing and have admitted it.

SharpLily · 28/07/2025 19:58

🤦‍♀️

notacooldad · 28/07/2025 20:04

Many people think that 'thing' is correct, even though it makes no sense at all.
It makes sense to me.
However the first time I heard the phrase was when I heard the Judas Priest record so didn't know any different. Now the 'proper ' way sounds weird to me.

upinaballoon · 28/07/2025 20:36

mydogisthebest · 28/07/2025 10:18

Well that makes sense NOT

Nor does that, and there aren't any punctuation marks.

upinaballoon · 28/07/2025 20:47

SharpLily · 28/07/2025 09:20

Should of.
Would of.
Might of.
Chester draws.
They was.
We was.
You was.
I seen.
I done.
Etc. (or indeed ect...)

Bastardised versions of an original which have all come into common usage (ugh, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit at the thought of it).

Should we just say they're OK because lots of (stupid) people use them? Even though they make no sense?

I don't understand why you have put 'Etc.' in this list. 'Etc.', short for 'et cetera', is correct. The 'ect' is incorrect. I don't understand why you didn't just remove the correct 'etc.' from your list, and leave the 'ect'.

Buxusmortus · 28/07/2025 21:38

upinaballoon · 28/07/2025 20:47

I don't understand why you have put 'Etc.' in this list. 'Etc.', short for 'et cetera', is correct. The 'ect' is incorrect. I don't understand why you didn't just remove the correct 'etc.' from your list, and leave the 'ect'.

I would assume @upinaballoon put "etc" to show that there are plenty more similar incorrect expressions, not that it was actually included in the list of bad grammar( unlike "ect").

SharpLily · 28/07/2025 22:11

Buxusmortus · 28/07/2025 21:38

I would assume @upinaballoon put "etc" to show that there are plenty more similar incorrect expressions, not that it was actually included in the list of bad grammar( unlike "ect").

This. Then it occurred to me that 'ect' is one of the things that could be included on the list.

upinaballoon · 28/07/2025 23:39

SharpLily · 28/07/2025 22:11

This. Then it occurred to me that 'ect' is one of the things that could be included on the list.

Thanks. I see. I've cottoned on.

BeShyPlumLeader · 30/07/2025 17:30

soupyspoon · 26/07/2025 11:46

I mean god preserve us (someone will pick me up that I didn't capitalise god ...)

Another thread, which I think we're not allowed to talk about probably, massive argument about...

You've got another think coming.

People think that it's 'you've got another thing coming'

Err... who cares?

soupyspoon · 30/07/2025 19:49

Youve stumbled upon pedants. We all care. Eight pages of us care.

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