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You've got another think coming...

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soupyspoon · 26/07/2025 11:46

I mean god preserve us (someone will pick me up that I didn't capitalise god ...)

Another thread, which I think we're not allowed to talk about probably, massive argument about...

You've got another think coming.

People think that it's 'you've got another thing coming'

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mydogisthebest · 28/07/2025 08:05

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 06:52

I absolutely accept that one of these idioms is a play on words and one isn't, and I see why people might prefer the play on words. No issue there at all.

I'm just saying that, all that said, both expressions make sense so it's fine to use either.

That's the thing. That's what I think Grin

Thing absolutely does NOT make sense and is NOT fine to use. So many idiots

CaptainMyCaptain · 28/07/2025 08:09

Steelworks · 28/07/2025 07:38

@PuppyMonkey But that’s how I see it.

If you thought England were going to win in full time, you have another ‘surprise’ coming. The second part does link.

It makes sense but it's not a 'saying' and the 'another' is superfluous. It's not a play on words.

Steelworks · 28/07/2025 08:11

It may not be a play on words, but that doesn’t make it wrong.

CaptainMyCaptain · 28/07/2025 08:13

Steelworks · 28/07/2025 08:11

It may not be a play on words, but that doesn’t make it wrong.

But it's not a saying that people will repeat (and argue about the origin) for decades or centuries to come and the 'another' is superfluous in that sentence so it sounds wrong anyway. What was the first surprise?

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 08:14

mydogisthebest · 28/07/2025 08:05

Thing absolutely does NOT make sense and is NOT fine to use. So many idiots

So what is your rule for what idioms it makes sense to use? They're established by usage.

It's easy to call people idiots because you don't use the same idioms as them, though that's a bit pointless and rude when the thread and wider Internet are full of evidence that both idioms are acceptable. How do we know this? Because both are widely used and understood. Objectively, they're both established idioms. People foot-stamping on this thread doesn't change reality.

We all grow up with and acquire a variety of idioms, and some that are familiar to some are obscure or unwieldy to others. That's fine. Language is complex and variable, and it's nobody's private property.

PuppyMonkey · 28/07/2025 08:20

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 07:27

No - if your expectations are going to be confounded, you have another (unexpected) thing coming. Not a specific thing like a chihuahua. An as yet unknown (unthought / unexpected by you) thing.

If you think any of that actually makes sense…. you’ve got another think coming.Grin

Wadadli · 28/07/2025 08:21

slightlydistrac · 26/07/2025 13:29

Well I've just had to watch the Michael Buble video (in the interests of public duty you understand) any excuse 😂 and it sounds like 'think' to me.

Anyhow, if he has got it wrong, I shall be magnanimous and forgive him. 😎

Michael Bubles will have got it wrong, just because he’s Michael Bubles. On my “kick the telly in if s/he are on it” meter, MB is my number one. Smug, unfunny, fake charming. I wouldn’t trust one lyric he sang … phew, I feel better now my loathing of said twat has been aired publicly (albeit anonymously 🤣)

Think, not thing

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 08:31

PuppyMonkey · 28/07/2025 08:20

If you think any of that actually makes sense…. you’ve got another think coming.Grin

If you think I've got another think coming you've got another thing coming Grin

ElixirOfLife · 28/07/2025 08:55

The clue is in the word another.

ConnieHeart · 28/07/2025 09:05

Wadadli · 28/07/2025 08:21

Michael Bubles will have got it wrong, just because he’s Michael Bubles. On my “kick the telly in if s/he are on it” meter, MB is my number one. Smug, unfunny, fake charming. I wouldn’t trust one lyric he sang … phew, I feel better now my loathing of said twat has been aired publicly (albeit anonymously 🤣)

Think, not thing

I agree and I bloody dread the run up to Christmas (starting in October) cos I hear him all the bloody time!

SprayWhiteDung · 28/07/2025 09:18

Not to derail, but I detest that stupid Christmas Sweater song that he sings (I know it's a cover version).

It's all happy and jolly sounding on the surface, but it actually betrays a bullying, coercive and controlling attitude on the part of the main protagonist. If he's like that about a jumper, you can only imagine what he's like when it comes to serious issues.

SharpLily · 28/07/2025 09:20

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 08:14

So what is your rule for what idioms it makes sense to use? They're established by usage.

It's easy to call people idiots because you don't use the same idioms as them, though that's a bit pointless and rude when the thread and wider Internet are full of evidence that both idioms are acceptable. How do we know this? Because both are widely used and understood. Objectively, they're both established idioms. People foot-stamping on this thread doesn't change reality.

We all grow up with and acquire a variety of idioms, and some that are familiar to some are obscure or unwieldy to others. That's fine. Language is complex and variable, and it's nobody's private property.

Should of.
Would of.
Might of.
Chester draws.
They was.
We was.
You was.
I seen.
I done.
Etc. (or indeed ect...)

Bastardised versions of an original which have all come into common usage (ugh, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit at the thought of it).

Should we just say they're OK because lots of (stupid) people use them? Even though they make no sense?

SharpLily · 28/07/2025 09:21

And yes, I could also happily join in on what should clearly be another whole, long thread about the gross annoyance that is Michael Buble.

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 09:24

SharpLily · 28/07/2025 09:20

Should of.
Would of.
Might of.
Chester draws.
They was.
We was.
You was.
I seen.
I done.
Etc. (or indeed ect...)

Bastardised versions of an original which have all come into common usage (ugh, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit at the thought of it).

Should we just say they're OK because lots of (stupid) people use them? Even though they make no sense?

These aren't idioms (though some are regionalisms).

SharpLily · 28/07/2025 09:28

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 09:24

These aren't idioms (though some are regionalisms).

No, but they are (particularly ugly) examples of language changing to accommodate common usage. It's the same thing.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 28/07/2025 09:32

mydogisthebest · 28/07/2025 08:03

So all the idiots that think it is "thing" please tell me how it makes sense when used in the following phrase.

If you think you are going out in that short skirt you have another thing coming.

Makes no sense whatsoever and no amount of arguing will ever make it make sense

I agree; in most situations and as word play ‘think’ is correct. But there are circumstances where ‘thing’ also makes sense, if the context is an object. If you think you’re getting a Louis Vuitton bag for Christmas, you’ve got another thing coming…. Because you’re either getting a fake bag or a Waitrose bag for life 😂

That’s why English is so great, and why in my many years living outside the UK I have had so many conversations with non-native speakers about its vagaries!

SharpLily · 28/07/2025 09:39

Tryingtokeepgoing · 28/07/2025 09:32

I agree; in most situations and as word play ‘think’ is correct. But there are circumstances where ‘thing’ also makes sense, if the context is an object. If you think you’re getting a Louis Vuitton bag for Christmas, you’ve got another thing coming…. Because you’re either getting a fake bag or a Waitrose bag for life 😂

That’s why English is so great, and why in my many years living outside the UK I have had so many conversations with non-native speakers about its vagaries!

The original idiom makes that same point though, that's what it's for. But in that case, if you want to be more specific about shit bags and that's what you're trying to say, then this particular idiom is inappropriate for the circumstances. Find another one.

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 09:57

SharpLily · 28/07/2025 09:28

No, but they are (particularly ugly) examples of language changing to accommodate common usage. It's the same thing.

I wouldn't agree. Your list is all of constructions that don't qualify as formal standard English. Fine. That's a distinction that can be maintained.

It's not the same as taking one colloquial phrase and declaring it anathema while accepting only a variant colloquial phrase as correct. Both have entered the language through adoption and repetition and both do their job. No rule has been broken.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 28/07/2025 10:01

SharpLily · 28/07/2025 09:39

The original idiom makes that same point though, that's what it's for. But in that case, if you want to be more specific about shit bags and that's what you're trying to say, then this particular idiom is inappropriate for the circumstances. Find another one.

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It’s only inappropriate because you think so. Both work in that situation. Language evolves, and I find that those who dogmatically stick to one interpretation often lack the imagination or intelligence to adapt or understand that some things are rigid for a reason (so could of / should of are always wrong) whereas some can vary depending on the context (think / thing) ;)

SharpLily · 28/07/2025 10:04

Tryingtokeepgoing · 28/07/2025 10:01

It’s only inappropriate because you think so. Both work in that situation. Language evolves, and I find that those who dogmatically stick to one interpretation often lack the imagination or intelligence to adapt or understand that some things are rigid for a reason (so could of / should of are always wrong) whereas some can vary depending on the context (think / thing) ;)

Ah, you see I think those who use 'thing' instead of 'think' for this phrase are the ones lacking intelligence. I tend to feel the same about 'you was' and 'chester draws'. They act as a useful marker in the 'when someone shows you who they are, believe them' sense. They're telling me they're a bit thick and I appreciate the warning.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 28/07/2025 10:10

SharpLily · 28/07/2025 10:04

Ah, you see I think those who use 'thing' instead of 'think' for this phrase are the ones lacking intelligence. I tend to feel the same about 'you was' and 'chester draws'. They act as a useful marker in the 'when someone shows you who they are, believe them' sense. They're telling me they're a bit thick and I appreciate the warning.

It’s okay if you don’t understand the context :)
Perhaps you also missed the nuance - hence the ;) in my original post. Thats okay too :)

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 10:12

SharpLily · 28/07/2025 10:04

Ah, you see I think those who use 'thing' instead of 'think' for this phrase are the ones lacking intelligence. I tend to feel the same about 'you was' and 'chester draws'. They act as a useful marker in the 'when someone shows you who they are, believe them' sense. They're telling me they're a bit thick and I appreciate the warning.

If you want to create division - and put yourself on the side of the winners - you'll always find a way. Just don't be surprised when people more expert in the area disagree with you on what you can deduce from language usage.

Most won't confuse knowledge with intelligence by judging you, nor merit with opportunity by avoiding you as somehow beneath them. But if you want to feel superior to others, you'll find your rationale one way or the other.

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 10:13

Tryingtokeepgoing · 28/07/2025 09:32

I agree; in most situations and as word play ‘think’ is correct. But there are circumstances where ‘thing’ also makes sense, if the context is an object. If you think you’re getting a Louis Vuitton bag for Christmas, you’ve got another thing coming…. Because you’re either getting a fake bag or a Waitrose bag for life 😂

That’s why English is so great, and why in my many years living outside the UK I have had so many conversations with non-native speakers about its vagaries!

The thing is whatever you'll be wearing instead of the skirt, or the fact that you'll be wearing something other than the skirt - either works.

mydogisthebest · 28/07/2025 10:18

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 08:31

If you think I've got another think coming you've got another thing coming Grin

Well that makes sense NOT

mydogisthebest · 28/07/2025 10:23

Oftenaddled · 28/07/2025 08:14

So what is your rule for what idioms it makes sense to use? They're established by usage.

It's easy to call people idiots because you don't use the same idioms as them, though that's a bit pointless and rude when the thread and wider Internet are full of evidence that both idioms are acceptable. How do we know this? Because both are widely used and understood. Objectively, they're both established idioms. People foot-stamping on this thread doesn't change reality.

We all grow up with and acquire a variety of idioms, and some that are familiar to some are obscure or unwieldy to others. That's fine. Language is complex and variable, and it's nobody's private property.

The saying was "think" but obviously some people (idiots) misheard and thought it was "thing" even though that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Gradually more people used "thing" but no way does that make it right because it's not.

Tell me please how "if you think you are going out in that short skirt you have another thing coming" makes any sense at all. Also how can there be ANOTHER thing when there was not a first one?