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Bitterly disappointed

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paparazzied · 28/03/2024 13:52

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Our son is 23. Over 4 years he hasn't looked for work, he's worked about 4 months total over those years and was let go of both those jobs. When he would come to us for money, we would give him work to do in his craft, he could add these commissions to his profile, so it would benefit him. We didn't need it done, it was just a way for him to earn money and build his portfolio simultaneously while getting paid what he would make doing a job at a retail store. He resents that we don't just give him money, and calls us transactional. I received an email from his girlfriends mom admonishing me for not paying him industry standard and that a kid needs to eat. I assured her I could see his bank account and he was eating ubereats so he wasn't going hungry and that the work wasn't really even for us, and we simply pay him what he would make in retail, giving him the option to avoid working a "normal" job and allowing him to do what he loves. A few months later he asked for money again. We reminded him he never did the last project for us. He told us he never intended to do the job because we weren't paying him "industry standard". We noted he was not doing well in school, not working, not doing his channel and we weren't going to give him any more money because he makes no effort to help himself 3 years was enough time to have gotten this sorted. This went down like a lead balloon. Nevertheless, from our perspective, once he made the effort to support himself, we'd happily kick in whatever extra he needs for bills if he isn't spending it all irresponsibly.

18 months go by and he gets no job, doesn't build content for his channel and leaves school. He has not asked us for money. We are going insane. We can't understand why someone his age isn't eager to work. Especially given the golden goose of a channel he has on youtube.

Two weeks ago we find out that my son's girlfriend's parents have taken out a loan of several thousand pounds to pay for one of his expenses. They have also been paying his rent for over a year now as well as covering food costs etc. This is in addition to their daughters rent and costs (they share student housing, they each have their own bedroom in a 4 bedroom share). We are flipping out. First, the expense wasn't time critical. It is something we would have helped him negotiate terms for that would have been doable for him without anyone taking out a high interest loan. Second, who does this? Who are these people to come into our lives and undermine a very simple life lesson we are desperate for him to learn? Nobody will pay your way, you have to support yourself (or at least try!!!!). Now his experience is that people will, indeed, pay your way! I mean, I have never in my life met anyone who would do this. Why are they not bothered that at 23yo he's not making an effort for himself? Is it a matter of seeking to make him reliant on them so they can keep the kids close? They have been dating for 3 years. To make it worse, her parents can't afford it. I'm embarrassed that my son would take from her family before going out and doing work for himself. He knows that making that effort would be enough to rely on us to pitch in to help make ends meet for him. I feel like I'm in crazytown. In the email she sent me years ago about industry standard rates, she said she would do anything to make her kids life easier. I responded saying that I would offer my son opportunities, but he had to make the effort to take those opportunities. Sure, we could support him for the rest of his life, but surely that's not normal right?

After all this venting, in the end I realize there is nothing I can do. He has chosen to remove us from the financial aspect of his life, so we are respecting that decision and don't bring it up. We are trying to build an adult relationship in the space we're all comfortable in and we have plenty else to talk about and build on, but it breaks my heart that he's not eager to make a life for himself and that he's willing to have other people work hard to take care of him when he is capable of doing this for himself.

Anyone else bitterly disappointed in the decisions their adult children are making?

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Octavia64 · 28/03/2024 14:03

You say he is in student housing.

Is he a student at a university? If so, then there is an expectation that you fund him up to a certain point and the funds he gets from the government will reflect that they expect you to fund him.

If not, then he is an adult and can fund his own life or find someone else to do so. It's not up to you what his girlfriend's parents do with their money.

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 14:09

While there is an expectation that you fund it, it is not a requirment. We were clear from day one that we would ONLY fund it (in fact meet all of his expenses) if we moved to Scotland where he would greatly benefit from the lower tuition costs. If he wanted to go to school in England, he would need to get a job to meet the difference. He chose to stay in England. He also went in with 6k in savings exclusively for living expenses from his grandparents, so he wouldn't have to have too demanding a schedule to make ends meet. We made a budget with him and he knew when he would need to pick up a job by, though we encouraged him to start right away.

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ouch321 · 28/03/2024 14:15

Well your second post is very eye opening. Power play over which uni he goes to otherwise you won't help with costs. What about the course and uni mattering to him?! Feel sorry for him.

Bigearringsbigsmile · 28/03/2024 14:23

I've got very mixed feelings about this.
I have two sons who have been/ are at university. Our thinking was that they were at university to be educated and to make the most of all the opportunities available to them. I didn't want them missing out on things like being involved in societies because they had to be at work earning money for them to eat.
They have had holiday jobs doing bar work etc but the main focus has been on education.

Your idea about moving to Scotland is deranged, I'm sorry to say. You expected a teenager to make a decision for the whole family to have moved countries in order to take advantage of cheaper fees?

What is the ' craft' that he wants paying market prices for?

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 14:37

It was an opportunity so that he wouldn't have to pay £45k in school loans and would have a much more reasonable £12k. As I said, we give opportunities. He had the ability to make a fiscally responsible decision. He chose not to. If hes not making fiscally responsible decisions, he must get a job to meet those extra costs he's willing to incur. School isn't free, and unfortunately its quite difficult to bring the reality of that debt to the forefront of their minds. We engage him to think about it before he's overwhelmed with it. That's not a power play, its parenting.

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Bigearringsbigsmile · 28/03/2024 14:41

Mmmmmm.....
I don't agree with you

I think you are uninformed about student loans .
I think you have created a situation where your relationship is going to be damaged forever.

MissyB1 · 28/03/2024 14:44

I don’t mean to make assumptions but are there some cultural differences here? Only you keep calling it school instead of Uni?
Yes my boys were expected to get a part time job to give them money to socialise, but I made sure they could pay their rent and buy food.

LordSnot · 28/03/2024 14:46

Wow. His girlfriend's parents are stepping up and doing your job for you and you're angry instead of ashamed or grateful.

I'm sure he won't be bothering you for anything in the future, so you've got your wish.

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 14:48

Obviously I didn't include our whole life story in here. We were moving to Scotland anyway, it was just a matter of whether to put it ahead of schedule. If he's going to school in England, we'd put that off for a while.

A few more details as to why we stopped: he has a very popular youtube channel he makes a couple hundred pounds on a month doing nothing at all. If he focused on it he would be doing extremely well for himself. He doesn't take advantage of that earning potential. He was failing his courses. So not only was he not working, nor doing the channel, he was also not doing his schoolwork. He had already repeated a year. Meanwhile, he was buying uber eats sometimes twice a day. We made it clear he needed to earn money at this point and he never even looked for work. If he had been doing well in school (or even doing AT ALL) we would have helped. If he were doing work on his channel, we would have helped, if he had gotten or even looked for a job with some effort, we would have helped. No he is gaming and hanging out with his girlfriend. That's it. Still not ones to drop him on his arse we offered that he do commissions for us. Specifically £500 for what would comfortably work out 2 weeks of light part time work. In his own time. We paid up front, he never did it.

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Octavia64 · 28/03/2024 14:49

Yep, with your update you are insanely unreasonable.

His girlfriend's parents are doing your job for you.

It's one thing not being able to afford to support your kid at uni it's entirely another choosing not to.

Support your kid and do your job.

Gingerkittykat · 28/03/2024 14:52

Does he have a student loan or any other finance to support himself?

From your initial post I assumed he was just bumming around and not even a student. Is he passing his degree?

I do agree that it is strange his GF parents have taken on a loan to pay his rent etc, he should definitely have a pt job to fund some of that.

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 14:53

Really? In the UK its paid back as an additional tax on your pay, however, I have always told my son that I don't rely on this not changing, as the US had a similar system and they retroactivly changed them multiple times which lead to huge interest rates, judgments being served on people, garnishment of wages etc. Having been screwed one time by the student loan system, we went into it anticipating changes may occur thus you have to consider the total you are indebted for.

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Hapagirl48 · 28/03/2024 14:54

You need to be resident in Scotland for 3 years before you qualify for free uni tuition so that bit is a bit of a moot point…

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 14:56

Yeah, we disagree. He's not a kid. He's 23.
I've no desire to pay for someone to play video games.

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ceneta · 28/03/2024 14:57

Where is the £45k coming from - is that your estimate of tuition fees plus living expenses? I don't quite understand the issue.

ChristmasGutPunch · 28/03/2024 14:57

Why does everyone think you can just move to Scotland and immediately get free university??

Yogatoga1 · 28/03/2024 14:58

Hapagirl48 · 28/03/2024 14:54

You need to be resident in Scotland for 3 years before you qualify for free uni tuition so that bit is a bit of a moot point…

I was going to say I don’t think it’s a simple as move and get reduced fees. You need to be resident.

how can you see your 23 year old’s bank accounts anyway? He’s an adult.

are you American o/p? You seem uniformed about the uk system.

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 14:58

Yes, he gets the partial payment for the living expenses. We were covering his food, but stopped after the ubereats fiasco. We still cover any medical costs and travel home.
He is literally doing nothing now he didn't finish the degree and has left the program as of Feb.

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totallybonkerswarning · 28/03/2024 14:59

While there is an expectation that you fund it, it is not a requirment.

That expectation is a requirement. As PP have said, your second post is eye opening

ceneta · 28/03/2024 15:01

I'm still confused. Are you as a family living in Scotland? So expenses are for travel home from university in Scotland to his home in Scotland? And why does he have medical expenses - is he not being treated on the NHS?

And how on earth can you see his transactions on his bank account?

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 15:01

Yes it takes a year. So we would have to move in time to establish residency. That was fine, like I said, we were moving there anyway and he could spend the first year checking out schools and where he wanted to live.
We had access to his bank account because he gave it to us so that we could rein him in if we saw things getting crazy. He doesn't notice stuff and forgets to look and see what's coming out of his account, so sometimes he would get charges for renewals he didn't want, etc. We don't have it anymore, for the first few years we could see it.

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Marghogeth · 28/03/2024 15:02

How do you have access to his bank transactions?

Yogatoga1 · 28/03/2024 15:02

What are his medical costs?

Bigearringsbigsmile · 28/03/2024 15:04

Are you not British?

As someone said earlier you have to be resident in Scotland for 3 years prior to the degree to get cheaper education. So he would have been 14/ 15 st the point you would have had to move. Did you genuinely want a child of that age to make that decision?

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 15:05

It is not a requirement. Read it again. It is implicitely stated, but not explicit. We gave him plenty of notice on what we were willing to do and why we were choosing to do it the way we did. There were no surprises.

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