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Bitterly disappointed

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paparazzied · 28/03/2024 13:52

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Our son is 23. Over 4 years he hasn't looked for work, he's worked about 4 months total over those years and was let go of both those jobs. When he would come to us for money, we would give him work to do in his craft, he could add these commissions to his profile, so it would benefit him. We didn't need it done, it was just a way for him to earn money and build his portfolio simultaneously while getting paid what he would make doing a job at a retail store. He resents that we don't just give him money, and calls us transactional. I received an email from his girlfriends mom admonishing me for not paying him industry standard and that a kid needs to eat. I assured her I could see his bank account and he was eating ubereats so he wasn't going hungry and that the work wasn't really even for us, and we simply pay him what he would make in retail, giving him the option to avoid working a "normal" job and allowing him to do what he loves. A few months later he asked for money again. We reminded him he never did the last project for us. He told us he never intended to do the job because we weren't paying him "industry standard". We noted he was not doing well in school, not working, not doing his channel and we weren't going to give him any more money because he makes no effort to help himself 3 years was enough time to have gotten this sorted. This went down like a lead balloon. Nevertheless, from our perspective, once he made the effort to support himself, we'd happily kick in whatever extra he needs for bills if he isn't spending it all irresponsibly.

18 months go by and he gets no job, doesn't build content for his channel and leaves school. He has not asked us for money. We are going insane. We can't understand why someone his age isn't eager to work. Especially given the golden goose of a channel he has on youtube.

Two weeks ago we find out that my son's girlfriend's parents have taken out a loan of several thousand pounds to pay for one of his expenses. They have also been paying his rent for over a year now as well as covering food costs etc. This is in addition to their daughters rent and costs (they share student housing, they each have their own bedroom in a 4 bedroom share). We are flipping out. First, the expense wasn't time critical. It is something we would have helped him negotiate terms for that would have been doable for him without anyone taking out a high interest loan. Second, who does this? Who are these people to come into our lives and undermine a very simple life lesson we are desperate for him to learn? Nobody will pay your way, you have to support yourself (or at least try!!!!). Now his experience is that people will, indeed, pay your way! I mean, I have never in my life met anyone who would do this. Why are they not bothered that at 23yo he's not making an effort for himself? Is it a matter of seeking to make him reliant on them so they can keep the kids close? They have been dating for 3 years. To make it worse, her parents can't afford it. I'm embarrassed that my son would take from her family before going out and doing work for himself. He knows that making that effort would be enough to rely on us to pitch in to help make ends meet for him. I feel like I'm in crazytown. In the email she sent me years ago about industry standard rates, she said she would do anything to make her kids life easier. I responded saying that I would offer my son opportunities, but he had to make the effort to take those opportunities. Sure, we could support him for the rest of his life, but surely that's not normal right?

After all this venting, in the end I realize there is nothing I can do. He has chosen to remove us from the financial aspect of his life, so we are respecting that decision and don't bring it up. We are trying to build an adult relationship in the space we're all comfortable in and we have plenty else to talk about and build on, but it breaks my heart that he's not eager to make a life for himself and that he's willing to have other people work hard to take care of him when he is capable of doing this for himself.

Anyone else bitterly disappointed in the decisions their adult children are making?

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Donotgogentle · 28/03/2024 15:05

Well, it’s expected for parents to close any gap between the means tested maintenance loan anount and the full amount. Students often have to get a job on top of that if it’s not enough to cover accommodation costs

I think you’ve taken this self reliance all too far. I hope your son is ok.

Octavia64 · 28/03/2024 15:07

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 15:05

It is not a requirement. Read it again. It is implicitely stated, but not explicit. We gave him plenty of notice on what we were willing to do and why we were choosing to do it the way we did. There were no surprises.

It is not a requirement in the sense that the state will not force you to do it.

However in the U.K. it really is generally expected that parents support their children at uni to that level if they can afford it.

And as you are discovering they will be judged and found wanting if they do not.

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 15:07

Bigearringsbigsmile · 28/03/2024 15:04

Are you not British?

As someone said earlier you have to be resident in Scotland for 3 years prior to the degree to get cheaper education. So he would have been 14/ 15 st the point you would have had to move. Did you genuinely want a child of that age to make that decision?

We had to be a resident for one year.

This is all, however, in the weeds. The point of my post is that we worked to teach him the need to be self reliant and it got disrupted in a very unusual way. The only question I had was if other parents were disappointed in decisions their adult children make.

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 28/03/2024 15:07

I’m so confused……😬

Why are you paying medical expenses in UK?

Is school university? Because school is an Americanism.

You should be helping him wherever he goes to ‘school’ I’m not suprised he’s losing interest with all that cost.

Why would you care where he goes? You won’t get cheaper education in Scotland for years.

Is it only me?

wizzywig · 28/03/2024 15:08

Hey he's found a sugar mummy/ family. Let them get on with it.

wizzywig · 28/03/2024 15:09

I'm eye rolling at his 'industry standard'. Let him pay industry standard living costs

BandyMcBandface · 28/03/2024 15:09

He’s an adult. His mistakes are his own to make.

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 28/03/2024 15:12

I don't understand the first page.
This is a 23 year old man.
A guilt grown adult
If he's decided to study then as an adult that's for him to finance.

He can work. A real job. For real money and use that money to pay for his bills.

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 15:13

I don't really care. Other parents judge other parents all the time. I don't understand why people think that adults are incapable of helping themself. If you aren't going to get the job we told you you need to have, and you aren't going to do the school work, then we aren't going to pay for you to be there hanging out with your girlfriend playing video games. Perhaps the government intentionally left it out because it is a families have a choice whether or not to pay fees because Uni students aren't 12yo and are capable of contributing themselves a bit too.

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Dacadactyl · 28/03/2024 15:14

I'd leave him to it.

You gave him fair warning of your plans and expectations and he's choosing to be lazy and bum around.

I'd not give him any money either. I feel sorry for the girlfriends family, they're being taken for a ride.

He left uni in Feb...I'd be surprised if they want to keep on supporting him.

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 15:16

Ugh, lets pretend all of this happened over may YEARS. It started 4 years ago when he was 19. He just had his birthday last week. He repeated a year and a half. He is now done with courses and is just living out the lease with his GF. 18 months ago was when we said no more, but we just now found out that someone else is paying his way which is frustrating because we think at his age he should have a job. That's it in a nutshell.

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FineWordsButterNoParsnips · 28/03/2024 15:18

Your posts about parental contributions to his university fees don't make sense. The loan he would have got is based on his parents contributing to the rest, the only way to weasel out of this is to prove alienation. Not sure how USA is relevant.

Who is 'eager to work'? 😄 His girlfriends parents are funding him, and his YouTube provides £100s a month 🤷🏼‍♀️

ceneta · 28/03/2024 15:19

It makes more sense now. He's an adult and needs to stand on his own two feet but I can understand why you are disappointed in his choices.

However you can't have it both ways. If he's an adult then it's up to him where he gets his money from. If his girlfriend's parents choose to fund his lifestyle and he wants to accept it that's up to him and them. He's not doing anything wrong and they are entitled to spend their money how they wish.

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 15:19

We pay dental and we paid for him to have assessments and titrations done for adhd. We also have insurance through my husbands work and use that for physical therapies etc.

Yes, school is university. School is kindergarten, school is education. I leave it to the reader to figure out which one it is based on the fact that you need a loan and he's an adult. :-)

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ceneta · 28/03/2024 15:21

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 15:19

We pay dental and we paid for him to have assessments and titrations done for adhd. We also have insurance through my husbands work and use that for physical therapies etc.

Yes, school is university. School is kindergarten, school is education. I leave it to the reader to figure out which one it is based on the fact that you need a loan and he's an adult. :-)

I think you're being quite offensive OP. People are only asking about the term school because it is not used for university in the UK. No-one calls it that. People are just trying to understand your situation.

ADoggyDogWorld · 28/03/2024 15:23

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paparazzied · 28/03/2024 15:23

Yes, he could get additional funds from the "parental alienation" clause. As it is, we're not alienated, we just made it clear we weren't contributing if he wasn't contributing through work and or school success. I'm all for him taking us to court and suing for his fee if that helps this government take its thumb out and clarify the requirement is explicit. As it is, it is not. The US is relevant in that it is a frame of reference to our experience with student loans becoming much more burdensome than was originally promised. I don't trust this government to do any different.

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paparazzied · 28/03/2024 15:24

I'm sorry you are offended I'm American. The smiley face was intended to show it should be taken lightly.

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 28/03/2024 15:24

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 15:23

Yes, he could get additional funds from the "parental alienation" clause. As it is, we're not alienated, we just made it clear we weren't contributing if he wasn't contributing through work and or school success. I'm all for him taking us to court and suing for his fee if that helps this government take its thumb out and clarify the requirement is explicit. As it is, it is not. The US is relevant in that it is a frame of reference to our experience with student loans becoming much more burdensome than was originally promised. I don't trust this government to do any different.

Does he get disabled students allowance for being ADHD?

Di you understand it may be his ADHD driving his behaviour?

Yogatoga1 · 28/03/2024 15:28

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 15:24

I'm sorry you are offended I'm American. The smiley face was intended to show it should be taken lightly.

No one is offended you’re American.

however you are discussing a UK issue and insisting on framing it with US terms. Which in the main aren’t relevant and are confusing things.

it would be better if you forgot about how things work in the US and learned, or were open to learning how the Uk works.

for example suing him for his fees? Ok then.

Kosenrufugirl · 28/03/2024 15:29

I am 100% on your side from what you have described

Bigearringsbigsmile · 28/03/2024 15:31

You pay his dental costs? So 50 quid once a year for a check up?
Physical therapies?

In answer to your question, no I have not been disappointed by my adult children's choices. I think this is because we have talked about their plans and we have supported them as best we could in every way rather than taking an adversarial position and maintaining that regardless of the circumstances and feelings.

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 15:31

You do not need to be in Scotland for 3 years. Again, it is all in the wording. It is "generally required" for 3 years, but you can show permanant residency much sooner than that.
There's no set period of time that you have to be in Scotland or the EEA to be ordinarily or habitually resident. You could be both on the very first day you arrive in Scotland as long as you can show settled purposed (that is ordinary residence) and settled intent (that is habitual residence). As homebuyers, who would have sold our home to move to Scotland with all of our things, residency would be clearly for settled purposes.

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paparazzied · 28/03/2024 15:33

I think its great that your kids have plans.

Just imagine that they didn't.

There is nothing adversarial in our relationship. We all get along fine. I mentioned we leave our nose out of it. I worry about his not doing anything. Wouldn't you worry if your kids weren't doing anything?????

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Witsend101 · 28/03/2024 15:36

A lot of drip feeding going on OP... so your DS has Adhd?

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