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Bitterly disappointed

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paparazzied · 28/03/2024 13:52

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Our son is 23. Over 4 years he hasn't looked for work, he's worked about 4 months total over those years and was let go of both those jobs. When he would come to us for money, we would give him work to do in his craft, he could add these commissions to his profile, so it would benefit him. We didn't need it done, it was just a way for him to earn money and build his portfolio simultaneously while getting paid what he would make doing a job at a retail store. He resents that we don't just give him money, and calls us transactional. I received an email from his girlfriends mom admonishing me for not paying him industry standard and that a kid needs to eat. I assured her I could see his bank account and he was eating ubereats so he wasn't going hungry and that the work wasn't really even for us, and we simply pay him what he would make in retail, giving him the option to avoid working a "normal" job and allowing him to do what he loves. A few months later he asked for money again. We reminded him he never did the last project for us. He told us he never intended to do the job because we weren't paying him "industry standard". We noted he was not doing well in school, not working, not doing his channel and we weren't going to give him any more money because he makes no effort to help himself 3 years was enough time to have gotten this sorted. This went down like a lead balloon. Nevertheless, from our perspective, once he made the effort to support himself, we'd happily kick in whatever extra he needs for bills if he isn't spending it all irresponsibly.

18 months go by and he gets no job, doesn't build content for his channel and leaves school. He has not asked us for money. We are going insane. We can't understand why someone his age isn't eager to work. Especially given the golden goose of a channel he has on youtube.

Two weeks ago we find out that my son's girlfriend's parents have taken out a loan of several thousand pounds to pay for one of his expenses. They have also been paying his rent for over a year now as well as covering food costs etc. This is in addition to their daughters rent and costs (they share student housing, they each have their own bedroom in a 4 bedroom share). We are flipping out. First, the expense wasn't time critical. It is something we would have helped him negotiate terms for that would have been doable for him without anyone taking out a high interest loan. Second, who does this? Who are these people to come into our lives and undermine a very simple life lesson we are desperate for him to learn? Nobody will pay your way, you have to support yourself (or at least try!!!!). Now his experience is that people will, indeed, pay your way! I mean, I have never in my life met anyone who would do this. Why are they not bothered that at 23yo he's not making an effort for himself? Is it a matter of seeking to make him reliant on them so they can keep the kids close? They have been dating for 3 years. To make it worse, her parents can't afford it. I'm embarrassed that my son would take from her family before going out and doing work for himself. He knows that making that effort would be enough to rely on us to pitch in to help make ends meet for him. I feel like I'm in crazytown. In the email she sent me years ago about industry standard rates, she said she would do anything to make her kids life easier. I responded saying that I would offer my son opportunities, but he had to make the effort to take those opportunities. Sure, we could support him for the rest of his life, but surely that's not normal right?

After all this venting, in the end I realize there is nothing I can do. He has chosen to remove us from the financial aspect of his life, so we are respecting that decision and don't bring it up. We are trying to build an adult relationship in the space we're all comfortable in and we have plenty else to talk about and build on, but it breaks my heart that he's not eager to make a life for himself and that he's willing to have other people work hard to take care of him when he is capable of doing this for himself.

Anyone else bitterly disappointed in the decisions their adult children are making?

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Witsend101 · 28/03/2024 16:11

OK so you've done loads of research about student finance. Have you done any on Adhd? It doesn't just go away because you are 23 and your parents want you to become responsible and get a job. You say he spends all day gaming, seems to lack motivation, is he depressed? I think you have given far from the full story here

BandyMcBandface · 28/03/2024 16:12

It's unimaginable to me to think of being his age and not having a job to build your life around

Not everyone thinks of their job as their life. Perhaps it’s simply a difference in attitudes here? I work with quite a lot of people your son’s age. Without exception they don’t see their job as their life - simply as a way to get money to fund the life stuff that they value

ChanelNo19EDT · 28/03/2024 16:13

So he DROPPED OUT OF UNIVERSITY?
I'd be disappointed about that.

Can you ring his girlfriend's mother. 8 wonder what he's told her. I'm curious. I've a daughter age 21 and I'd NEVER find her bf, good grief

If h3 had been serious about university I would have popped the breaks on the life lesson though. My dd is planning a masters and I jus5 say save what you can, but she has a pt job.

Dacadactyl · 28/03/2024 16:14

BandyMcBandface · 28/03/2024 16:12

It's unimaginable to me to think of being his age and not having a job to build your life around

Not everyone thinks of their job as their life. Perhaps it’s simply a difference in attitudes here? I work with quite a lot of people your son’s age. Without exception they don’t see their job as their life - simply as a way to get money to fund the life stuff that they value

He doesn't even seem to view a job in that manner.

Seems to think he can doss about and everyone else will pay for it.

TreesWelliesKnees · 28/03/2024 16:15

To answer your question, yes, of course many parents are bitterly disappointed with their children. But your child is a creative with ADHD. I expect he needed a lot more support to get through his uni course than you might imagine. Neurodivergent creatives often can't cope with the kind of multitasking that balancing work and uni would require, especially if there are issues with executive function or possibly mental health challenges. I am really struggling to understand why you didn't top him up to the full amount of financial support, if you could afford to. Why would you withhold that from your child, especially one with a condition that makes functioning in the world so much harder?

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 16:20

Couldntgiveafunk · 28/03/2024 15:50

OP is right about the fees:

To receive funding, you must meet all the following three conditions:

  1. UK national or have 'settled status', with no restrictions on how long you can stay.
  2. Normally live in Scotland on course start date, short periods away for work, education or holidays are OK.
  3. Living in the UK for 3 years before the course start date.

Taken from https://www.studentinformation.gov.scot/students/further-education/tuition-fees

But your son is a grown adult, and your experience in the American system which is massively financially and culturally different to the UK is not relevant here. The government could not retrospectively change the terms of the loan, legally.

You can be disappointed in him, but his antagonism towards you and his transactional attitude is purely a reflection of how you have behaved towards him.

We live in the UK and have since he was 6 years old.
We are British citizens.
He was 17 when we were discussing moving, as a family. It wasn't solely his decision but would make it quite a bit easier to get moving quickly on it if he went to school there. it would make it worthwhile to do it then, rather than wait. I promise, there was no problem you all have to solve, It was all perfectly possible and within the rules.
AS far as what you believe the government can and cant do, I'm not sure if you were paying attention when this government decided to override the supreme courts ruling on Rwanda. There are many instances where the government arbitrarily or arbitrarily change laws. In 2016 I read this article, which was the first alarm bell I had that perhaps these loans werent as safe as we expect, since they did retroactively make changes. https://graziadaily.co.uk/life/real-life/changes-student-loans-disgraceful-says-money-saving-expert/

Changes To Student Loans Are ‘Disgraceful’, Says Money Saving Expert

Martin Lewis, founder of moneysavingexpert.com, has written to the Prime Minister asking him to look into retrospective changes to student loan repayments

https://graziadaily.co.uk/life/real-life/changes-student-loans-disgraceful-says-money-saving-expert

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 28/03/2024 16:20

I am really struggling to understand why you didn't top him up to the full amount of financial support, if you could afford to. Why would you withhold that from your child, especially one with a condition that makes functioning in the world so much harder?

This.

My Audhd dd is really struggling at the moment. Won’t go to school. Maybe the ds is struggling with burnout? Either way, I’d bend over backwards to support mine financially.

An ADHDer could easily struggle with a job on top of studies. This is why DSA exists.

You seemed to have researched everything apart from ADHD and how it impacts him.

Validus · 28/03/2024 16:21

He’s 23 and scabbing off his girlfriend’s parents rather than getting a job and taking responsibility for his choices. I’d be disappointed too.

The GF’s parents are foolish. They’re also trapping their own daughter in the relationship. That might not be an issue but it definitely could be.

Hold your boundaries.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 28/03/2024 16:22

Validus · 28/03/2024 16:21

He’s 23 and scabbing off his girlfriend’s parents rather than getting a job and taking responsibility for his choices. I’d be disappointed too.

The GF’s parents are foolish. They’re also trapping their own daughter in the relationship. That might not be an issue but it definitely could be.

Hold your boundaries.

Great understanding of ADHD here…

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 28/03/2024 16:23

Sounds like he’s in ND burnout to me.

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 16:24

Yes, obviously I give less than the full story here. I simply can't write the entire picture here and frankly don't need to as the subject is MY disappointment that my son's progress is being thwarted by helpful well meaning people. I have adhd, so did my stepson, and my siblings, and my ex, and yeah we know ALL about it. I get ADDitude in my inbox and read it every day. Since my son is an adult, I can't force him to take medication, or go see a therapist, but I thought AT LEAST we could withdraw bailing him out so that he would HAVE TO get a job. It happens that crisis points work pretty well for people with adhd. When there is only one direction to go, you go there.

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paparazzied · 28/03/2024 16:26

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 28/03/2024 16:23

Sounds like he’s in ND burnout to me.

I know. For how long? 😬 My hope was that having work and building a schedule for himself might help. He's so creative and talented as hell. It's killing me to see him struggle.

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Couldntgiveafunk · 28/03/2024 16:27

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 16:20

We live in the UK and have since he was 6 years old.
We are British citizens.
He was 17 when we were discussing moving, as a family. It wasn't solely his decision but would make it quite a bit easier to get moving quickly on it if he went to school there. it would make it worthwhile to do it then, rather than wait. I promise, there was no problem you all have to solve, It was all perfectly possible and within the rules.
AS far as what you believe the government can and cant do, I'm not sure if you were paying attention when this government decided to override the supreme courts ruling on Rwanda. There are many instances where the government arbitrarily or arbitrarily change laws. In 2016 I read this article, which was the first alarm bell I had that perhaps these loans werent as safe as we expect, since they did retroactively make changes. https://graziadaily.co.uk/life/real-life/changes-student-loans-disgraceful-says-money-saving-expert/

If you’d read my post properly OP, I was backing you up and saying you were correct about the fees.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 28/03/2024 16:27

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 16:26

I know. For how long? 😬 My hope was that having work and building a schedule for himself might help. He's so creative and talented as hell. It's killing me to see him struggle.

My DD’s been in a year. Still not much better. It’s pretty awful tbh

Whatismypasswordthen · 28/03/2024 16:28

Anyone else bitterly disappointed? Yeah, your son I expect. But nevermind, you've done all the research. You clearly know everything and you're absolutely right on everything you say. Well done.

Shame you seem to know absolutely nothing of any significance about the young man you call your son. He's right, the relationship is transactional and it sounds like it's no longer beneficial to either party.

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 16:28

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 28/03/2024 16:20

I am really struggling to understand why you didn't top him up to the full amount of financial support, if you could afford to. Why would you withhold that from your child, especially one with a condition that makes functioning in the world so much harder?

This.

My Audhd dd is really struggling at the moment. Won’t go to school. Maybe the ds is struggling with burnout? Either way, I’d bend over backwards to support mine financially.

An ADHDer could easily struggle with a job on top of studies. This is why DSA exists.

You seemed to have researched everything apart from ADHD and how it impacts him.

I see your point, but as said a little bit above, ADHD is totally part of our family.

But as someone with it myself, its important to recognize that knowing why your brain is causing barriers to move forward is the the start to solving the problem. You have to build tools to acheive success in little bits. I know he will not succeed or be happy with his life if he is floating. He needs to have aims and goals and work is such a great way to anchor yourself into a schedule. He's not doing school anymore.

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TreesWelliesKnees · 28/03/2024 16:30

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 16:24

Yes, obviously I give less than the full story here. I simply can't write the entire picture here and frankly don't need to as the subject is MY disappointment that my son's progress is being thwarted by helpful well meaning people. I have adhd, so did my stepson, and my siblings, and my ex, and yeah we know ALL about it. I get ADDitude in my inbox and read it every day. Since my son is an adult, I can't force him to take medication, or go see a therapist, but I thought AT LEAST we could withdraw bailing him out so that he would HAVE TO get a job. It happens that crisis points work pretty well for people with adhd. When there is only one direction to go, you go there.

But if I've understood correctly, you expected him to work quite early on in his studies, when the pot of money from his grandparents ran out?

Did you value the degree he was doing? Was the degree in his 'craft'?

Validus · 28/03/2024 16:30

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 28/03/2024 16:22

Great understanding of ADHD here…

Ah yes. We should just coddle everyone with ADHD, excuse absolutely everything they do, and spend thousands upon thousands of pounds enabling poor behaviour. Supporting people with ADHD is very different from excusing everything. Mumsnet’s current fad is to cry ‘burnout’ to excuse everything, and commentators can’t countenance the idea that someone can just be lazy or make dumb decisions.

People with ADHD aren’t useless lumps. They can and do hold down very demanding jobs. They make money. They manage their families. They get degrees. They take responsibility for themselves.

The man is 23. Not a child.

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 16:34

Yeah, I guess that is the crux of it. Its never been about the money. Its was trying to get him out of his funk. He tortures himself spinning round.

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Witsend101 · 28/03/2024 16:35

Honestly, I can see that you think the GFs parents are enabling him but I don't think I'd take a chance on what would happen if your DS is left to hit rock bottom in the circumstances you describe. What if you are wrong and the lack of money and job doesn't lead to a job and independence ?

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 28/03/2024 16:36

TreesWelliesKnees · 28/03/2024 16:30

But if I've understood correctly, you expected him to work quite early on in his studies, when the pot of money from his grandparents ran out?

Did you value the degree he was doing? Was the degree in his 'craft'?

Of course he should've worked! There's no excuse.

Octavia64 · 28/03/2024 16:38

Regardless of the situation now, if I read the OP correctly her son went to uni at 19 with only the government contribution and 6k from his grandparents.

Uni can be a lot of work and some subjects are easier to get jobs alongside than others, but everyone who is working a job alongside doing uni is working hard.

If I read the OP correctly the son has struggled at uni (either for not working hard or for adhd related reasons) and has resat a year.

It is of course possible he is a lazy dosser who doesn't want to do anything, but if he's been resitting years he has at least wanted to get a degree.

And presumably you have not been funding him since he was 19 as you say you wouldn't pay the parental contribution.

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 16:39

Validus · 28/03/2024 16:30

Ah yes. We should just coddle everyone with ADHD, excuse absolutely everything they do, and spend thousands upon thousands of pounds enabling poor behaviour. Supporting people with ADHD is very different from excusing everything. Mumsnet’s current fad is to cry ‘burnout’ to excuse everything, and commentators can’t countenance the idea that someone can just be lazy or make dumb decisions.

People with ADHD aren’t useless lumps. They can and do hold down very demanding jobs. They make money. They manage their families. They get degrees. They take responsibility for themselves.

The man is 23. Not a child.

I agree. I think diagnosis is a tool you can use for understanding how to equip yourself for this world that beats differently than yours. There are times though, like his current stasis where he is so stuck in himself, that creating crisis can motivate an adhder for example, I worked in a job very successfully that had "drop dead dates" They were concrete, real deadlines that would lose clients millions of pounds to miss. Those deadlines created pillars in my mind that mad sense to me. Working without critical needs to attend to is nigh impossible for me. I think most work is bullshit unnecessary busy work, but having to feed yourself is pretty critical stuff, so my hope was that his working would help build pillars for him that he could create a schedule around and be motivated.

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BandyMcBandface · 28/03/2024 16:39

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 28/03/2024 16:36

Of course he should've worked! There's no excuse.

Really depends on the degree and university, plus ADHD may genuinely make that more difficult.

OP should absolutely have topped up his maintenance loan if the family income reduced how much he could borrow, though.

paparazzied · 28/03/2024 16:40

Yes, the degree is in his craft.

We stopped giving money 18 months ago. He started 4 and a half years ago.

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