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When you love your friends but not their kids.

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stirringbeast · 21/01/2010 10:06

I have 2 very good friends whom I see a lot. They are both wonderful kind and generous ladies.

However I'm finding it harder and harder to spend time with them. It's their kids. Neither of them has much control at all - their children come and trash my house, scoff all the biscuits leaving none for mine, whine for more and more treats when we're out which they eventually give in to, making me look mean for not doing the same, speak rudely to their mothers which my kids are now starting to copy etc etc.

I find I am constantly biting my lip when we're together. The closest I have come to saying anything is telling the children on several occasions that certain behaviours are not acceptable in my house. I got some uncomfortable looks from the mothers on these occasions.

Obviously my children are not angels and certainly have their moments but I believe that the parent should be firmly in charge.

I don't like things to fester away leaving bad atmospheres but I'm not sure I should say anything to my friends about how hard I'm finding it. I think they will get defensive and it will ruin the friendship.

Has anyone experienced this? What did you do?

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stealthsquiggle · 28/01/2010 15:46

My DD is a complete nightmare a lot more challenging than DS was at the same age. He was (and remains) an angel in public or with visitors present (well, maybe one or two meltdowns/ me carting him out in 7 years) - and far from angelic when at home just with us .

DD(3) just firmly believes that rules are for other people and that it makes no difference where you are - I have used more improvised 'naughty steps' in other people's houses / public places than I would ever have imagined possible. It doesn't mean I stop trying and it doesn't mean I accept misbehaviour - it's just more work [sigh]

chickbean · 28/01/2010 19:23

Interesting about people's birth stories - DS1 took 43 hours and ended up in SCBU for a few days. DS2 took 5 and has been much more chilled. DD took 4 hours and has done little but sleep in her first 10 days

mathanxiety · 28/01/2010 20:24

My really, really shy DD was hell on wheels as a baby and toddler. Very emotional, and super-sensitive to sound. Never slept through the night until she was about 2.5. Threw tantrums, couldn't take her anywhere, very persistent and determined. Her birth was unremarkable (was induced with gel, whole thing took about 6 hours start to finish.) She did have a knot in her cord, something the attending doc marvelled at (he hadn't seen one before). It had been spotted briefly at one scan earlier in pregnancy, but then when a later scan was performed, she was moving around so much (story of that pregnancy) no-one could see much at all. She was the loudest baby in the hospital -- I apologised soooo much to the poor woman in the bed next to mine who was recovering from a c-section.

The most chilled of my DCs was born after a very quick labour, nearly didn't make it to the hospital actually. She has always been little miss charming.

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KERALA1 · 28/01/2010 20:37

Dont think its a boy/girl thing. The only child we feel we can't handle having around is a girl. OK some (not all) of the boys we know seem abit more boisterous but not in a malicious/nasty/uncontrollable way.

Ilovemybed · 28/01/2010 21:06

stirringbeast yeah, I am not really 'with' Alfie. It's an interesting book but I can't help but think that if he had two energetic boys then the book would be slightly different. But it's always good to read something completely from the other end of the scale. It did stop me using timeouts though, and make me think about how I praise ds.

re your OP; I do think it's harming these kids not having any boundaries. Kids need boundaries. Maybe instead of feeling bad when you do tell them off then you should see it as leading by example. I think everyone is happier when they know what the rules are.

Perhaps if the subject comes up then recommend some good books on the subject to see if that might help?

Good luck - sounds like a difficult situ.

stirringbeast · 29/01/2010 12:50

If they were to ask for advice I would say what I thought, no prob! But isn't it always the way that people who are going to have such different viewpoints from you never do ask for your advice...?!

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Morloth · 29/01/2010 14:54

Not a boy/girl thing IME.

I have a boy and there are two children who we don't have anything to do with, one girl and one boy. There are differences in the reasons we don't see them. The boy is violent and destructive and the girl is vicious and quite cruel.

But the outcome is the same.

I only ever ask for/listen to parenting advice from people who children seem to be doing well and who I would like my DS to be like, not much point getting advice from someone if you are not to keen on the outcome!

boundaryRider · 29/01/2010 15:06

I just posted a similar thing here - if anyone feels like commenting about this, I'd love to hear your responses. But I should've read this thread before posting probably!

LeQueen · 29/01/2010 16:13

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Acanthus · 29/01/2010 17:59

Exactly, stealth. It's just more work! DS2 was much more work than DS1 ever was.

nappyaddict · 02/02/2010 13:58

Well I volunteer at a playgroup and I can honestly say that out of all the 3 year olds we have they don't speak in proper sentences or if they do they are very unclear.

LeQueen · 02/02/2010 18:22

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roundwindow · 02/02/2010 22:09

OK, just to add my tuppence worth to a really interesting but probably-should-be-dying-by-now thread.....

I am the 'lax' parent of which OP, LeQueen and others speak. Sort of. I don't accept my DCs trashing property, being violent, rude, etc. I'm pretty sure we're all in broad agreement about the kind of attributes we like in other adults and therefore are finding the best ways we can to try to nurture these qualities in our DCs.

However, I don't like to parent too publicly if I can avoid it. I try to avoid taking a tone with them that I'd object to someone else using with me, and I don't want to risk 'shaming' my DCs and feel our relationship is put under too much strain by having others bear witness to our more difficult exchanges. I will intercept offending behaviour by any means necessary (firstly by telling them it's not on, then ultimately going home from someone else's house, leaving a restaurant, etc.) but I will try to do so in a calm, kindly manner. And will try to talk it through with them once the heat of the moment has died down. Probably have been known to say 'don't do that, darling' in a wimpy voice on more than one occasion

My DCs are by no means perfect, probably have caused more than their fair share of cats bum/lemon sucking faces out and about, but I genuinely believe I'm doing the best I can given the sort of person I am, the ideas I hold, the way I want to relate to them. And somehow have managed to hold onto some very dear friends who are much more of the LeQueen ilk. They're doing time-outs with a kitchen timer in one room, I'm having a toddlers conciousness-raising workshop in another [grin} I think we all just accept our differences and respect them enough to work around them.

But what irks me and what so many people seem to get wrong is that just because I'm a 'soft' parent this doesn't mean I haven't thought it through. Just because I'm not parenting in the way that you do or in a way that's immediately to apparent to onlookers, I am still parenting. Actively. Like others have said, I hate the assumption that anyone who doesn't do things in the same way must be lazy or inept.

I was amongst a group of older (as in had DCs twenty odd years ago) women today and they were commenting on the outrageous behaviour of the children in some tv documentary. They were like a puffed up Greek chorus of lemon sucking: children have too much control these days, in my day we'd have given them a slap, children just need to be told what's what... etc. I'm troubled by how this school of parenting feels that it's got the monopoly on conscientiousness.

Like I said, we all want the same things ultimately. Let's just respect each others choices, concentrate on our developing relationships with our DCs, and fit friends in around that. Either with or without DCs, whichever's most harmonious.

sirsquid · 03/02/2010 11:23

Well said roundwindow.
I found this thread to full of smug self-rightousness but worse is the victorian type belief that children should be seen and not heard, and controlled within an inch of their lives.

Dicipline is essentiall of course but in small children especially, needs to be creative. Not all misdemeanors require time outs, telling offs etc. Over-correcting a child can hinder development.

As an aside i don't get the badge of honour of being a scary parent. This must suit a ceretain controlling and bossy personality type (fair enough), but not everybody is like this and it is not a necessary requirment for effective parenting(thank god).

Summersoon · 03/02/2010 12:25

I think that there is nothing smug or self-righteous whatsoever about someone objecting to children trashing someone else's house, hitting, bullying and some of the more extreme behaviours described by some people here. Other than that, I don't disagree with roundwindow and sirsquid.
We all make choices - and are entitled to make choices especially where parenting styles - but we are also entitled to avoid (and, in private, judge) those with whom with do not agree and who may cause us problems.

sirsquid · 03/02/2010 14:40

Summersoon I agree, of course it is not smug or self-rightous to object to the behaviours you speak of, that was not what i was referring to.

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