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Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 19:05

apologise if this message is abit long.
I have 6 children, all aged between 12 and 6. My 8 year old son has always proved a little difficult for me to handle. His behaviour at home is really defiante. Everything is a chore, he doesn't get on well with his siblings because of his behaviour either. Alot of the time it sounds really silly but just things like he won't get dressed won't brush his teeth won't go in the bath without screaming, we take them on holiday or days out very regular and sometimes he won't join in. He poos all over my house, on the carpets, on teddy bears, wipes it on the curtains. He's pooed on my sofa. In 2021 he went through a stage of not eating, it was the time of covid and no doctor wanted to know they brushed it under the carpet because he was healthy. The school referred us to the social services who came out, did an assement on us and left.
His behaviour has got better over the years, sometimes he does revert back to his old ways. However the oast few months he has started the eating thing again, he steals food at school. The safe guardin teacher gives him spare and also he is allowed to go to her at school if he is hungry, which he has been doing every day. He then comes home and refuses to eat for me. He will pick at his tea, say it is spicy and then later on we find banana peels, crisp packets ect all hidden in his room. He steals money, he's stolen my wedding rings, car keys. Eventually he returns them or admits he has stolen them but this is something I have raised with the teachers and the safe guarding teacher and the senco teacher too.
In July I broke down at school and told the safe guarding teacher I was struggling as every day for a few weeks he has been very difficult. She made a plan with my child who when she asked why he doesn't eat at home he openly told her "I like to upset my mum" he had previously told other teachers this too and about his stealing.
I never heard anything after July. We had a great summer, we went on holiday, we did lots of days out and majority of the time my son joined in and really enjoyed the holidays with us. His eating wasn't brilliant but he wasn't poorly and he was eating enough for me to not be concerned about. However he is quite small for his age. He has been weighted and measured at school and always done back the perfect BMI. Iv mentioned to a few professionals before about his height all who have said "every child grows differently and as long as he is healthy" - he is never at the doctor & has about 3 days off school his whole life apart from when schools had bubbles ect in COVID.
However on the 26th September I attended school to drop my 4 youngest off and my 8 year old didn't want to go he was drying sayin he didn't want to see the teachers they keep asking him questions and he's upset by it, so I approached reception and asked to speak to the teacher in question. I wasn't nasty or anything I just wanted to clear things with her as we hadn't spoken since July really.
I was then asked to go into a room where 2 social workers were waiting for me, apparently they had attended my house twice that week... Once at half past 4 but we were out at football and once at half 8am but I was on the school run. She asked me a few questions and then about 15 minutes later the police turned up and arrested me for child neglect. The social worker was even gob smacked.
The accusations made against me by my son were that I dont feed him tea, I bath him in a cold bath (something I have never heard from anyone) and that I make him sleep on a sofa.
I was released on bail and so was my husband but as a result the children have gone into foster care.
It's been 3 weeks and 2 days, no social worker has shown me any reports. Iv seen my children once for an hour and a half. They mentioned on the second say they would apply for an interm court order but I haven't heard anything since. When I did see my children and the social worker she said to us all "this is just a temporary measure whilst the police do their investigations"
I have spoken to 2 of my children on the phone once. 2 of them twice.
My little boy who made these allegations has told us and the social worker he wants to come home but obviously now they have to take what he has said very serious.
He has had a medical at the hospital which said he had no marks broken bones or any signs of physical abuse. Nor has he made any allegations, yet the school have said they believe he is physically abused. They said he is quite small for his age. They took bloods and these came back he is slightly anemic so now on iron supplements. The report says he is happy, chatty, doesn't look unwell, his nails teeth clothes and hair are all in great condition.
I know everyone says it but we are genuinely a very nice family, absolutely noone we have spoken to can believe what has happened. everyone including the school compliment us on our kids appearance their manners.. they are around several other people like dance teachers, gymnastics teachers and football coaches, swimming instructors. Taekwondo instructors... All who have never raised a concern about any of my children.
Has anyone been in a similar situation to me?

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Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 22:41

TheSnugHare · 19/10/2024 22:31

The OP did mention the husband was arrested too for some reason I think at the same time, you’d have to find the comment

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Yer that's right.

My aunties have both said they will care for the children at my home so they can all be together and we could move to theirs round the corner though.

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HornyHornersPinger · 19/10/2024 22:44

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 22:40

I never once said that at all.
And that's not what I came here for. I came to speak to people who had been through a similar situation to me because although it's okay talking to friends ect it's nice to speak to people who have been or going through something I am.

Which as you said you have been through it, however you didn't offer any advice. You basically told me I'd been sat on my arse for 4 weeks not caring my children weren't with me and that I should of rang a solicitor the day they were taken... Which, I did.
You could of asked them questions instead of just assuming I'd done nothing. I wasn't being rude to you, I was simply sayin I have nothing more to say to you.

My advice was in my 1st comments. You took offence to those too.

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 22:47

HornyHornersPinger · 19/10/2024 22:44

My advice was in my 1st comments. You took offence to those too.

No your advice was to do something I had already done. But your comment of "what have you been doing for 4 weeks" - you have every right to say that to me if you had asked if I had a solicitor and I said no but you didn't ask me you assumed.

I don't want to get into an argument with you it's not what I'm here for and you clearly have an opinion on me which is fine. Like I said, thanks. There's no reason to go back and forth with each other.

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TheSnugHare · 19/10/2024 22:49

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 22:41

Yer that's right.

My aunties have both said they will care for the children at my home so they can all be together and we could move to theirs round the corner though.

ok it would be better if they all stay with family if it’s possible but you would have to check about the rules because you may not be allowed visits or anything like that till they’ve done their investigations at least, if you do social services may remove them from your aunts too

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 22:52

TheSnugHare · 19/10/2024 22:49

ok it would be better if they all stay with family if it’s possible but you would have to check about the rules because you may not be allowed visits or anything like that till they’ve done their investigations at least, if you do social services may remove them from your aunts too

Yer it would 100%.

When I see my social worker she actually says the children could stay here you could come in and out help cook tea bath them walk then to school ... (Obviously supervised with my aunty) She openly says she thinks it is best for the children and that all the children wish to come home and see each other and they have their best interests at heart.

But then they never seem to get round to doing any of the things they actually say.

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Peonies007 · 19/10/2024 22:54

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 22:29

Thankyou... I do have a solicitor :)
I do believe he has some form of autism

Husband is a Police Officer.
Being arrested is not the same as being charged. Were you charged?

AmICrazyToEvenBother · 19/10/2024 22:56

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:53

I have raised these concerns.
I have taken him to the doctor. I have rang children mental health teams. All of who say he doesn't meet criteria.

I have asked sens teacher at school. Doctors..

The same schools also told me and wrote reports to my doctor about my 12 year old who since leaving that school and attending secondary has since been to an occupational therapist, speech therapist.. the school are a let down.

Everyone has let you down.

Hopefully the fact you've raised concerns an asked for help in the should help your case, but surely these things should have been taken into consideration before the arrested you?

SS aren't fit for purpose, they ignore blatant child abuse but terrorise normal families. It makes me so suspicious of thier motives. They probably have targets - easier to deal with people who are going to br compliant than people that are going to give them abuse (who cares if their lives turned in the process?).

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 22:56

Peonies007 · 19/10/2024 22:54

Husband is a Police Officer.
Being arrested is not the same as being charged. Were you charged?

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No I was released on bail.

I haven't been charged.

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AmICrazyToEvenBother · 19/10/2024 22:58

HornyHornersPinger · 19/10/2024 22:44

My advice was in my 1st comments. You took offence to those too.

Come on, your tone is pretty spiky. I think OP is stressed enough without this.

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 22:59

AmICrazyToEvenBother · 19/10/2024 22:56

Everyone has let you down.

Hopefully the fact you've raised concerns an asked for help in the should help your case, but surely these things should have been taken into consideration before the arrested you?

SS aren't fit for purpose, they ignore blatant child abuse but terrorise normal families. It makes me so suspicious of thier motives. They probably have targets - easier to deal with people who are going to br compliant than people that are going to give them abuse (who cares if their lives turned in the process?).

I hope so but this is what I originally came on to ask like if anyone else had been on a similar situation where they were arrested, like I think people are getting me wrong and think the police should of done out and told me they were going to arrest me which obviously wouldn't happen... But I just don't know how the things my child said have escalated into an arrest without any involvement from anyone prior or them having any proof.

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KittenOnTheTable · 19/10/2024 23:00

She would of been charged if out on bail surely?

I've been here though it was a nasty bruise on ds and I've no clue how he got it. The kids got sent to my mums I was allowed to go with them as long as I was supervised the whole time by another adult. They ended up dropping the whole thing still no clue what happened. (Not with their dad now for that reason don't know if it was him for sure) police was involved but no one was charged. They even took my phone. Whole process was about 3 to 4 months.

Another woman had her child taken away briefly because he told a teacher his mum would wash him 9 times a day. Turns out it was a religious thing and not 9 times like he thought.

SomeFinElse · 19/10/2024 23:01

So if you have six kids between ages of 6 - 12 and DS is 8….
And you refer to having 4 DC’s younger than him….Which means you had 4 more children within just 2 years shortly after DS was born.

I’m not meaning this as a moral judgement, but i can’t help wondering how healthy this environment really has been for this child… for a baby to suddenly have 4 more subsequent baby siblings by the time they’re two. I’m sorry, but there’s just no way you’d have been able to meet his emotional needs adequately as an infant - and you wonder why he’s directing protest-based behaviour at you…. Soiling “MY house” (odd choice of ‘my’ in all the ways you describe your home and possessions… this is ‘our house’…..And exercising his right to protest with his eating.

The time you usually hear of dirty protests and hunger strikes is within prisons.

Peonies007 · 19/10/2024 23:01

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 22:56

No I was released on bail.

I haven't been charged.

Any bail conditions? Presumably medical was done via police or did you consent to it?
Separate to that section 20 is voluntary. SS should have made you aware what exactly are you signing?
You aren't on section 47, so you can ask for children back. Has your lawyer not mentioned that?

TheSnugHare · 19/10/2024 23:06

SomeFinElse · 19/10/2024 23:01

So if you have six kids between ages of 6 - 12 and DS is 8….
And you refer to having 4 DC’s younger than him….Which means you had 4 more children within just 2 years shortly after DS was born.

I’m not meaning this as a moral judgement, but i can’t help wondering how healthy this environment really has been for this child… for a baby to suddenly have 4 more subsequent baby siblings by the time they’re two. I’m sorry, but there’s just no way you’d have been able to meet his emotional needs adequately as an infant - and you wonder why he’s directing protest-based behaviour at you…. Soiling “MY house” (odd choice of ‘my’ in all the ways you describe your home and possessions… this is ‘our house’…..And exercising his right to protest with his eating.

The time you usually hear of dirty protests and hunger strikes is within prisons.

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That’s a really good analysis and makes a lot of sense but I still think he must have SEN because there are other ways to communicate that don’t involve smearing poo on the walls and other SEN behaviours. I wonder if she’s muddled the ages on purpose for privacy reasons and not realised the discrepancy?

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 23:07

Peonies007 · 19/10/2024 23:01

Any bail conditions? Presumably medical was done via police or did you consent to it?
Separate to that section 20 is voluntary. SS should have made you aware what exactly are you signing?
You aren't on section 47, so you can ask for children back. Has your lawyer not mentioned that?

Yer I consented to the medical. Which came back he was slightly anemic. No signs of physical abuse ect.

They didn't make me aware what it was it was very rushed because they had somewhere to be and told me it was just so the children could be taken to the doctor if needed over the weekend.

My bail conditions is no I services do tact with them which iv been told is pretty standard.

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Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 23:10

TheSnugHare · 19/10/2024 23:06

That’s a really good analysis and makes a lot of sense but I still think he must have SEN because there are other ways to communicate that don’t involve smearing poo on the walls and other SEN behaviours. I wonder if she’s muddled the ages on purpose for privacy reasons and not realised the discrepancy?

Sorry I'm not sure where you've got I have 4 younger than him from.

Iv obviously not worded something right along the way but I don't have 4 children younger than my 8 year old. My original post said I have 6 children aged 6-12 meaning my 8 year old and child I'm talking about is my second youngest.

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TheSnugHare · 19/10/2024 23:14

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 23:10

Sorry I'm not sure where you've got I have 4 younger than him from.

Iv obviously not worded something right along the way but I don't have 4 children younger than my 8 year old. My original post said I have 6 children aged 6-12 meaning my 8 year old and child I'm talking about is my second youngest.

So what are you going to do about all of this?

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 23:14

SomeFinElse · 19/10/2024 23:01

So if you have six kids between ages of 6 - 12 and DS is 8….
And you refer to having 4 DC’s younger than him….Which means you had 4 more children within just 2 years shortly after DS was born.

I’m not meaning this as a moral judgement, but i can’t help wondering how healthy this environment really has been for this child… for a baby to suddenly have 4 more subsequent baby siblings by the time they’re two. I’m sorry, but there’s just no way you’d have been able to meet his emotional needs adequately as an infant - and you wonder why he’s directing protest-based behaviour at you…. Soiling “MY house” (odd choice of ‘my’ in all the ways you describe your home and possessions… this is ‘our house’…..And exercising his right to protest with his eating.

The time you usually hear of dirty protests and hunger strikes is within prisons.

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Sorry, I'm not sure where iv worded it like that but I have 4 children older than this child. I have tried looking but my mistake. This child is my second to youngest, certainly didn't hadn't 4 after him. Sorry to confuse you.

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ThatCalmHelper · 19/10/2024 23:15

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 22:56

No I was released on bail.

I haven't been charged.

Did you speak to the police?

unmemorableusername · 19/10/2024 23:16

First thing is to increase the contact asap. It's far too low. Indirect ie calls/video calls should be daily and physical contact should be 3-5 times a week.

The split siblings should also be able to be in daily contact.

SomeFinElse · 19/10/2024 23:17

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 23:10

Sorry I'm not sure where you've got I have 4 younger than him from.

Iv obviously not worded something right along the way but I don't have 4 children younger than my 8 year old. My original post said I have 6 children aged 6-12 meaning my 8 year old and child I'm talking about is my second youngest.

In one post you described your DS 8 and then having had to take your four younger kids to school.

SomeFinElse · 19/10/2024 23:18

Even if you worded this wrongly - don’t you think 6 kids in 6 years was potentially not in the best interests of the children?

Peonies007 · 19/10/2024 23:18

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 23:07

Yer I consented to the medical. Which came back he was slightly anemic. No signs of physical abuse ect.

They didn't make me aware what it was it was very rushed because they had somewhere to be and told me it was just so the children could be taken to the doctor if needed over the weekend.

My bail conditions is no I services do tact with them which iv been told is pretty standard.

Ok, so step back.
You were arrested and bailed, but not charged YET with any crime. I didn't quite make sense of what bail conditions were? Not to have contact with kids?!?
You have VOLUNTARILY signed s20.
If the above is correct, I would be onto lawyer on Monday, asking them to revoke s20 and if your/husband bail conditions prohibit you from contact is to accommodate your kids at relatives, but make sure you adhere to bail conditions. You'd be in whole other world of pain if they find you have breached them.

In all the honesty, you are making it way too easy for them to keep your kids indefinitely.
Make SS fight. At the moment you aren't even under s47!
YOU have parental authority, you can remove them. LA will then have to apply to court but only if suspect there is a 'significant harm'.

What is your lawyer saying? Month is such a long time?!

childlawadvice.org.uk/information-pages/section-20-accomodation/

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 23:19

KittenOnTheTable · 19/10/2024 23:00

She would of been charged if out on bail surely?

I've been here though it was a nasty bruise on ds and I've no clue how he got it. The kids got sent to my mums I was allowed to go with them as long as I was supervised the whole time by another adult. They ended up dropping the whole thing still no clue what happened. (Not with their dad now for that reason don't know if it was him for sure) police was involved but no one was charged. They even took my phone. Whole process was about 3 to 4 months.

Another woman had her child taken away briefly because he told a teacher his mum would wash him 9 times a day. Turns out it was a religious thing and not 9 times like he thought.

Who got the police involved in your situation please? Yer they have taken my phone too. Apparently that is pretty standard. I'm not sure what they think they will find on there.

I'm glad your case was resolved but not nice how long it takes is it. We're you able to see the children whilst it was going on and they were with your mum?

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FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 19/10/2024 23:21

SomeFinElse · 19/10/2024 23:18

Even if you worded this wrongly - don’t you think 6 kids in 6 years was potentially not in the best interests of the children?

Why are you derailing the thread asking pointless questions about the number of children since they've already been born? What do you gain by kicking someone when they're down?

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