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Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 19:05

apologise if this message is abit long.
I have 6 children, all aged between 12 and 6. My 8 year old son has always proved a little difficult for me to handle. His behaviour at home is really defiante. Everything is a chore, he doesn't get on well with his siblings because of his behaviour either. Alot of the time it sounds really silly but just things like he won't get dressed won't brush his teeth won't go in the bath without screaming, we take them on holiday or days out very regular and sometimes he won't join in. He poos all over my house, on the carpets, on teddy bears, wipes it on the curtains. He's pooed on my sofa. In 2021 he went through a stage of not eating, it was the time of covid and no doctor wanted to know they brushed it under the carpet because he was healthy. The school referred us to the social services who came out, did an assement on us and left.
His behaviour has got better over the years, sometimes he does revert back to his old ways. However the oast few months he has started the eating thing again, he steals food at school. The safe guardin teacher gives him spare and also he is allowed to go to her at school if he is hungry, which he has been doing every day. He then comes home and refuses to eat for me. He will pick at his tea, say it is spicy and then later on we find banana peels, crisp packets ect all hidden in his room. He steals money, he's stolen my wedding rings, car keys. Eventually he returns them or admits he has stolen them but this is something I have raised with the teachers and the safe guarding teacher and the senco teacher too.
In July I broke down at school and told the safe guarding teacher I was struggling as every day for a few weeks he has been very difficult. She made a plan with my child who when she asked why he doesn't eat at home he openly told her "I like to upset my mum" he had previously told other teachers this too and about his stealing.
I never heard anything after July. We had a great summer, we went on holiday, we did lots of days out and majority of the time my son joined in and really enjoyed the holidays with us. His eating wasn't brilliant but he wasn't poorly and he was eating enough for me to not be concerned about. However he is quite small for his age. He has been weighted and measured at school and always done back the perfect BMI. Iv mentioned to a few professionals before about his height all who have said "every child grows differently and as long as he is healthy" - he is never at the doctor & has about 3 days off school his whole life apart from when schools had bubbles ect in COVID.
However on the 26th September I attended school to drop my 4 youngest off and my 8 year old didn't want to go he was drying sayin he didn't want to see the teachers they keep asking him questions and he's upset by it, so I approached reception and asked to speak to the teacher in question. I wasn't nasty or anything I just wanted to clear things with her as we hadn't spoken since July really.
I was then asked to go into a room where 2 social workers were waiting for me, apparently they had attended my house twice that week... Once at half past 4 but we were out at football and once at half 8am but I was on the school run. She asked me a few questions and then about 15 minutes later the police turned up and arrested me for child neglect. The social worker was even gob smacked.
The accusations made against me by my son were that I dont feed him tea, I bath him in a cold bath (something I have never heard from anyone) and that I make him sleep on a sofa.
I was released on bail and so was my husband but as a result the children have gone into foster care.
It's been 3 weeks and 2 days, no social worker has shown me any reports. Iv seen my children once for an hour and a half. They mentioned on the second say they would apply for an interm court order but I haven't heard anything since. When I did see my children and the social worker she said to us all "this is just a temporary measure whilst the police do their investigations"
I have spoken to 2 of my children on the phone once. 2 of them twice.
My little boy who made these allegations has told us and the social worker he wants to come home but obviously now they have to take what he has said very serious.
He has had a medical at the hospital which said he had no marks broken bones or any signs of physical abuse. Nor has he made any allegations, yet the school have said they believe he is physically abused. They said he is quite small for his age. They took bloods and these came back he is slightly anemic so now on iron supplements. The report says he is happy, chatty, doesn't look unwell, his nails teeth clothes and hair are all in great condition.
I know everyone says it but we are genuinely a very nice family, absolutely noone we have spoken to can believe what has happened. everyone including the school compliment us on our kids appearance their manners.. they are around several other people like dance teachers, gymnastics teachers and football coaches, swimming instructors. Taekwondo instructors... All who have never raised a concern about any of my children.
Has anyone been in a similar situation to me?

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HornyHornersPinger · 19/10/2024 21:05

You need a solicitor to advocate for you and fight your corner. There are solicitors that specialise specifically in child law and care proceedings, you need to contact one now. Monday morning, phone the 1st law firm that comes up on Google for your local area and ask them to point you in the direction of a child law solicitor. All fees will be covered by legal aid if you're on low income. I would've called a solicitor on the 1st day from the school! What have you been doing for nearly 4 weeks?

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:11

HornyHornersPinger · 19/10/2024 21:05

You need a solicitor to advocate for you and fight your corner. There are solicitors that specialise specifically in child law and care proceedings, you need to contact one now. Monday morning, phone the 1st law firm that comes up on Google for your local area and ask them to point you in the direction of a child law solicitor. All fees will be covered by legal aid if you're on low income. I would've called a solicitor on the 1st day from the school! What have you been doing for nearly 4 weeks?

I have a family law solicitor... I'm unsure as to why you have assumed I haven't and haven't done anything for 4 weeks....

My children can't come home because I am on bail.

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HornyHornersPinger · 19/10/2024 21:16

Just seen your update - get a better solicitor! A child law one working specifically to liase with social services and the courts and do all the legal stuff on your side. You should have a plan, a time frame, know exactly what the concerns are, how you can alleviate them whether that be parenting classes etc, you should have had contact set up by now! I'm sorry but I'm still finding it hard to get my head around "I had my 6 kids taken away, I've not seen them in 4 weeks and I don't know if/when I'll get them back...." I'd be camped out in children's services reception, blowing up the phones of every solicitor social worker and child protection officer until I got some answers and saw my children! Yes I am talking from experience!

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HornyHornersPinger · 19/10/2024 21:18

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:11

I have a family law solicitor... I'm unsure as to why you have assumed I haven't and haven't done anything for 4 weeks....

My children can't come home because I am on bail.

Sorry but... do more.

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:19

HornyHornersPinger · 19/10/2024 21:18

Sorry but... do more.

I came to ask for some advice.
You do not need to be so rude.

If you have no advice .. don't say anything?

There is literally nothing I can do. I have a criminal law solicitor, I have a family law solicitor. My children are not allowed home. Everything in the whole situation is out of my hands.

I came to talk to people who have had similar issues to me.

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AgainandagainandagainSS · 19/10/2024 21:21

This sounds horrendous for you OP.
The best case scenario I can imagine would be for this child to remain in foster care on a 1:1 basis to allow you to focus on your other children without the shadow of his bad behavior and nasty accusations tearing the family apart.

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:23

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Yes.. because they had been to my house twice and I wasn't in. So they knew I would be at school on the Thursday.

I'm not sure why you think I would lie about that or why I would ask for advice but give false information to receive advise on.

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Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:25

AgainandagainandagainSS · 19/10/2024 21:21

This sounds horrendous for you OP.
The best case scenario I can imagine would be for this child to remain in foster care on a 1:1 basis to allow you to focus on your other children without the shadow of his bad behavior and nasty accusations tearing the family apart.

I wouldn't want this either...

Like I don't want my child who accused us to stay in foster care either. But I have asked why if there's no other concerns for my children they can't return home and they help me with my child behaviour. Wether that be at home or whilst he remains in foster care first.

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TheSnugHare · 19/10/2024 21:26

I don’t think anyone, the police or social services should speak to parents about “allegations” children make against their parents. That could put the child in danger if the parents are abusive

HornyHornersPinger · 19/10/2024 21:27

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:19

I came to ask for some advice.
You do not need to be so rude.

If you have no advice .. don't say anything?

There is literally nothing I can do. I have a criminal law solicitor, I have a family law solicitor. My children are not allowed home. Everything in the whole situation is out of my hands.

I came to talk to people who have had similar issues to me.

@Lucas28
What are you asking us then? If you've got a solicitor and know your kids can't come home because you're on bail, what do you want us to tell you?

You are talking* *to someone who's been through similar. I equipped myself with a good solicitor as soon as SS were on the horizon, she fought my side in court. I never went more than a few days without seeing my child once she was away from me. SS were difficult, unprofessional and extremely overstretched so it would've been easy for them to chuck our file on the pile, but I didn't let that happen. Knew exactly what hoops I was expected to jump through and jumped them meaning my child came back after the court process. There's absolutely no way I would've been sat there wondering what's going to happen.

AgainandagainandagainSS · 19/10/2024 21:28

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:25

I wouldn't want this either...

Like I don't want my child who accused us to stay in foster care either. But I have asked why if there's no other concerns for my children they can't return home and they help me with my child behaviour. Wether that be at home or whilst he remains in foster care first.

Of course you don’t. But the others have done nothing wrong, are causing you no issue or threat and deserve to be at home with you. He is the fly in the ointment who can’t conform and is tearing the family apart and putting you and your husband at serious risk. Lies like that ruin lives and split families up - as you are finding out.

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:28

TheSnugHare · 19/10/2024 21:26

I don’t think anyone, the police or social services should speak to parents about “allegations” children make against their parents. That could put the child in danger if the parents are abusive

I understand what you're saying.

What I meant is, usually when there is a referral to the social they come out and speak to the family/parent. Not arrest them. Kids always say things about parents..

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Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:31

AgainandagainandagainSS · 19/10/2024 21:28

Of course you don’t. But the others have done nothing wrong, are causing you no issue or threat and deserve to be at home with you. He is the fly in the ointment who can’t conform and is tearing the family apart and putting you and your husband at serious risk. Lies like that ruin lives and split families up - as you are finding out.

Which is exactly what I have said.

I just find it surreal. How many kids can say something like my mum didn't give me tea or even my mum hits me ect...

There is no signs of abuse to my child for anyone to have an concerns. It's not as though he was dirty scruffy covered in bruises... It was literally just based on a comment he made.

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Bubblebuttress · 19/10/2024 21:31

What a nightmare

LittleHangleton · 19/10/2024 21:35

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:28

I understand what you're saying.

What I meant is, usually when there is a referral to the social they come out and speak to the family/parent. Not arrest them. Kids always say things about parents..

They do. So whatever they have now must meet a much higher threshold.

You mention social workers trying (and failing) to see you at home beforehand. We're you open to an assessment or CP Plan?

Are you charged with child abuse or child neglect? Did police come into your home when you were arrested?

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:35

HornyHornersPinger · 19/10/2024 21:27

@Lucas28
What are you asking us then? If you've got a solicitor and know your kids can't come home because you're on bail, what do you want us to tell you?

You are talking* *to someone who's been through similar. I equipped myself with a good solicitor as soon as SS were on the horizon, she fought my side in court. I never went more than a few days without seeing my child once she was away from me. SS were difficult, unprofessional and extremely overstretched so it would've been easy for them to chuck our file on the pile, but I didn't let that happen. Knew exactly what hoops I was expected to jump through and jumped them meaning my child came back after the court process. There's absolutely no way I would've been sat there wondering what's going to happen.

Well done you.

I haven't been sat for 4 weeks doing nothing.. and you don't know that either.

Thanks for your input but I don't have anything further to say to you.

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Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:38

LittleHangleton · 19/10/2024 21:35

They do. So whatever they have now must meet a much higher threshold.

You mention social workers trying (and failing) to see you at home beforehand. We're you open to an assessment or CP Plan?

Are you charged with child abuse or child neglect? Did police come into your home when you were arrested?

Yer absolutely.
If they came when I was in I would of had no issue letting them in and having an assesment done on my family, I would of actually liked their help.

I haven't been charged with anything, Im on bail for child neglect based on the three things my child said.

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Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:43

LittleHangleton · 19/10/2024 21:35

They do. So whatever they have now must meet a much higher threshold.

You mention social workers trying (and failing) to see you at home beforehand. We're you open to an assessment or CP Plan?

Are you charged with child abuse or child neglect? Did police come into your home when you were arrested?

Ps. Sorry no I was arrested at school, they thought my child was at risk because I threatened to take him home instead of leaving him at school. Which isn't exactly what happened but I understand the confusion.

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BunfightBetty · 19/10/2024 21:44

The children being taken away and left with foster families with no notice and no idea when they will see their parents, or live with them. will be causing them a lot of trauma. What have social services said about how they are mitigating this? They and the police should be working as fast as possible to bottom out these allegations, for the sake of the children. Sorry you’re going through this OP.

Daysleeperagain · 19/10/2024 21:46

If it is just you charged can you not move out and the children return to their home with their dad?

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:48

BunfightBetty · 19/10/2024 21:44

The children being taken away and left with foster families with no notice and no idea when they will see their parents, or live with them. will be causing them a lot of trauma. What have social services said about how they are mitigating this? They and the police should be working as fast as possible to bottom out these allegations, for the sake of the children. Sorry you’re going through this OP.

I know, I saw my children on Wednesday for the first time in 3 weeks and they're all devastated. My oldest child is 12 and he's not in a good way at all. And my 9 year old is angry, they've raised corners he's wetting the bed ect... My child is on trouble at school for disruption. All of which have never been an issue until this they are clearly struggling.

The social said they need to do assessments on us but I think they have had long enough. The social have told me the police are back logged and my family solicitor said the social will be hiding behind the police.

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TheSnugHare · 19/10/2024 21:48

Take care of yourself. Could it be possible he is acting out because he has unmet needs you are unaware of. Mental health issues, possible SEN, trauma, etc etc.
he could be saying one thing like he has here but it could be him crying out for help about something else.
I have a relative where he was the odd one out like this but all his siblings were fine. Try and think if there’s anything

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 21:48

Daysleeperagain · 19/10/2024 21:46

If it is just you charged can you not move out and the children return to their home with their dad?

He was arrested and released on bail too. Although no allegations were made against him.

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LittleHangleton · 19/10/2024 21:49

If you're charged with neglect, have police been to look at your house?

It's hard to evidence child neglect at a criminal level. Sensitive question, which you can choose to ignore, do you drink or use drugs? Or live in acute poverty? All neglect cases I've dealt with as DSL have had one or more of these factors involved.

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