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Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 19:05

apologise if this message is abit long.
I have 6 children, all aged between 12 and 6. My 8 year old son has always proved a little difficult for me to handle. His behaviour at home is really defiante. Everything is a chore, he doesn't get on well with his siblings because of his behaviour either. Alot of the time it sounds really silly but just things like he won't get dressed won't brush his teeth won't go in the bath without screaming, we take them on holiday or days out very regular and sometimes he won't join in. He poos all over my house, on the carpets, on teddy bears, wipes it on the curtains. He's pooed on my sofa. In 2021 he went through a stage of not eating, it was the time of covid and no doctor wanted to know they brushed it under the carpet because he was healthy. The school referred us to the social services who came out, did an assement on us and left.
His behaviour has got better over the years, sometimes he does revert back to his old ways. However the oast few months he has started the eating thing again, he steals food at school. The safe guardin teacher gives him spare and also he is allowed to go to her at school if he is hungry, which he has been doing every day. He then comes home and refuses to eat for me. He will pick at his tea, say it is spicy and then later on we find banana peels, crisp packets ect all hidden in his room. He steals money, he's stolen my wedding rings, car keys. Eventually he returns them or admits he has stolen them but this is something I have raised with the teachers and the safe guarding teacher and the senco teacher too.
In July I broke down at school and told the safe guarding teacher I was struggling as every day for a few weeks he has been very difficult. She made a plan with my child who when she asked why he doesn't eat at home he openly told her "I like to upset my mum" he had previously told other teachers this too and about his stealing.
I never heard anything after July. We had a great summer, we went on holiday, we did lots of days out and majority of the time my son joined in and really enjoyed the holidays with us. His eating wasn't brilliant but he wasn't poorly and he was eating enough for me to not be concerned about. However he is quite small for his age. He has been weighted and measured at school and always done back the perfect BMI. Iv mentioned to a few professionals before about his height all who have said "every child grows differently and as long as he is healthy" - he is never at the doctor & has about 3 days off school his whole life apart from when schools had bubbles ect in COVID.
However on the 26th September I attended school to drop my 4 youngest off and my 8 year old didn't want to go he was drying sayin he didn't want to see the teachers they keep asking him questions and he's upset by it, so I approached reception and asked to speak to the teacher in question. I wasn't nasty or anything I just wanted to clear things with her as we hadn't spoken since July really.
I was then asked to go into a room where 2 social workers were waiting for me, apparently they had attended my house twice that week... Once at half past 4 but we were out at football and once at half 8am but I was on the school run. She asked me a few questions and then about 15 minutes later the police turned up and arrested me for child neglect. The social worker was even gob smacked.
The accusations made against me by my son were that I dont feed him tea, I bath him in a cold bath (something I have never heard from anyone) and that I make him sleep on a sofa.
I was released on bail and so was my husband but as a result the children have gone into foster care.
It's been 3 weeks and 2 days, no social worker has shown me any reports. Iv seen my children once for an hour and a half. They mentioned on the second say they would apply for an interm court order but I haven't heard anything since. When I did see my children and the social worker she said to us all "this is just a temporary measure whilst the police do their investigations"
I have spoken to 2 of my children on the phone once. 2 of them twice.
My little boy who made these allegations has told us and the social worker he wants to come home but obviously now they have to take what he has said very serious.
He has had a medical at the hospital which said he had no marks broken bones or any signs of physical abuse. Nor has he made any allegations, yet the school have said they believe he is physically abused. They said he is quite small for his age. They took bloods and these came back he is slightly anemic so now on iron supplements. The report says he is happy, chatty, doesn't look unwell, his nails teeth clothes and hair are all in great condition.
I know everyone says it but we are genuinely a very nice family, absolutely noone we have spoken to can believe what has happened. everyone including the school compliment us on our kids appearance their manners.. they are around several other people like dance teachers, gymnastics teachers and football coaches, swimming instructors. Taekwondo instructors... All who have never raised a concern about any of my children.
Has anyone been in a similar situation to me?

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Peonies007 · 21/10/2024 10:28

Lucas28 · 21/10/2024 10:26

Morning..
Yer I am currently waiting for a call back from the criminal solicitor and from the police man in charge of my case.

Yer my husband's bail conditions are exactly the same as mine, he wasn't arrested for anything else I am absolutely certain. I was in the station all day, my husband came in at 5pm after work, was asked a few questions and then he left with me at 8pm ...

The social did come to see us on the day after and they said the children went to emergency foster care because me and husband were at the station so had no contacts for family. That day they took a list of all my family and friends and told me they would prefer them to be with family ... But since they haven't got round to looking into my family or friends.

Ok, update us after you hear back. Hopefully easy to sort.

okydokethen · 21/10/2024 10:38

The LA have to explore family and friend alternative care for the children - not least because foster care is very expensive. It doesn't make sense unless your family network is entirely unsuitable. the children should be placed with someone in their family.

There has to be more in terms of allegations from your other children or more evidence from school or health to corroborate what your son is saying.

Children say all sorts of things to school staff and it doesn't lead to parents arrest. My daughter said she didn't have breakfast for two days, so the teacher asked me about it, end of.

Lucas28 · 21/10/2024 11:02

okydokethen · 21/10/2024 10:38

The LA have to explore family and friend alternative care for the children - not least because foster care is very expensive. It doesn't make sense unless your family network is entirely unsuitable. the children should be placed with someone in their family.

There has to be more in terms of allegations from your other children or more evidence from school or health to corroborate what your son is saying.

Children say all sorts of things to school staff and it doesn't lead to parents arrest. My daughter said she didn't have breakfast for two days, so the teacher asked me about it, end of.

My family network isn't unsuitable. My sister, cousin and sister in law are all school teachers. Our friends have DBS checks because they work with kids or are football coaches ect.

I can't prove what I'm sayin but there are no concerns for my other children. They are healthy and made no allegations against us.

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okydokethen · 21/10/2024 11:58

In that case I would strongly consider revoking the s.20 unless they place the children with family.

Lucas28 · 21/10/2024 12:05

okydokethen · 21/10/2024 11:58

In that case I would strongly consider revoking the s.20 unless they place the children with family.

My solicitor has told them if they don't do assessments by the 23rd we have revoking consent. Just wish they would place the children with family and more local so they can keep up with their life as normal as possible until it is all resolved with the police and social.

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okydokethen · 21/10/2024 12:09

Oh good. Absolutely, it seems very unfair on the children.

Peonies007 · 23/10/2024 07:47

Lucas28 · 21/10/2024 12:05

My solicitor has told them if they don't do assessments by the 23rd we have revoking consent. Just wish they would place the children with family and more local so they can keep up with their life as normal as possible until it is all resolved with the police and social.

Any updates?

KittenOnTheTable · 23/10/2024 16:29

Hope your doing well. Awful situation to be in.

RedApplesGreenApples · 25/10/2024 19:45

Hi OP,
hope you’re doing. Just wanted to say from what you put in your original post could your ds possibly have pda (it’s a subgroup of the autism spectrum)? Have a look on the pda society’s website, hopefully they can give you some advice.
Also I don’t know if you are on FB, there are is a mother on there Alice Runnings, who has a page to raise awareness of autism and parental blame.
So often people assume there is no smoke without fire, in the majority of cases involving sen (and undiagnosed sen) children this is not the case. The charity cerebra is heavily involved in this, regarding how these families are let down and left in crisis.
Also make sure you keep a record of everything and request everything in writing.
The best of luck to you and your family, hope your dc are all back home soon.

RedApplesGreenApples · 26/10/2024 09:06

Should say hope you’re doing ok.

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