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Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 19:05

apologise if this message is abit long.
I have 6 children, all aged between 12 and 6. My 8 year old son has always proved a little difficult for me to handle. His behaviour at home is really defiante. Everything is a chore, he doesn't get on well with his siblings because of his behaviour either. Alot of the time it sounds really silly but just things like he won't get dressed won't brush his teeth won't go in the bath without screaming, we take them on holiday or days out very regular and sometimes he won't join in. He poos all over my house, on the carpets, on teddy bears, wipes it on the curtains. He's pooed on my sofa. In 2021 he went through a stage of not eating, it was the time of covid and no doctor wanted to know they brushed it under the carpet because he was healthy. The school referred us to the social services who came out, did an assement on us and left.
His behaviour has got better over the years, sometimes he does revert back to his old ways. However the oast few months he has started the eating thing again, he steals food at school. The safe guardin teacher gives him spare and also he is allowed to go to her at school if he is hungry, which he has been doing every day. He then comes home and refuses to eat for me. He will pick at his tea, say it is spicy and then later on we find banana peels, crisp packets ect all hidden in his room. He steals money, he's stolen my wedding rings, car keys. Eventually he returns them or admits he has stolen them but this is something I have raised with the teachers and the safe guarding teacher and the senco teacher too.
In July I broke down at school and told the safe guarding teacher I was struggling as every day for a few weeks he has been very difficult. She made a plan with my child who when she asked why he doesn't eat at home he openly told her "I like to upset my mum" he had previously told other teachers this too and about his stealing.
I never heard anything after July. We had a great summer, we went on holiday, we did lots of days out and majority of the time my son joined in and really enjoyed the holidays with us. His eating wasn't brilliant but he wasn't poorly and he was eating enough for me to not be concerned about. However he is quite small for his age. He has been weighted and measured at school and always done back the perfect BMI. Iv mentioned to a few professionals before about his height all who have said "every child grows differently and as long as he is healthy" - he is never at the doctor & has about 3 days off school his whole life apart from when schools had bubbles ect in COVID.
However on the 26th September I attended school to drop my 4 youngest off and my 8 year old didn't want to go he was drying sayin he didn't want to see the teachers they keep asking him questions and he's upset by it, so I approached reception and asked to speak to the teacher in question. I wasn't nasty or anything I just wanted to clear things with her as we hadn't spoken since July really.
I was then asked to go into a room where 2 social workers were waiting for me, apparently they had attended my house twice that week... Once at half past 4 but we were out at football and once at half 8am but I was on the school run. She asked me a few questions and then about 15 minutes later the police turned up and arrested me for child neglect. The social worker was even gob smacked.
The accusations made against me by my son were that I dont feed him tea, I bath him in a cold bath (something I have never heard from anyone) and that I make him sleep on a sofa.
I was released on bail and so was my husband but as a result the children have gone into foster care.
It's been 3 weeks and 2 days, no social worker has shown me any reports. Iv seen my children once for an hour and a half. They mentioned on the second say they would apply for an interm court order but I haven't heard anything since. When I did see my children and the social worker she said to us all "this is just a temporary measure whilst the police do their investigations"
I have spoken to 2 of my children on the phone once. 2 of them twice.
My little boy who made these allegations has told us and the social worker he wants to come home but obviously now they have to take what he has said very serious.
He has had a medical at the hospital which said he had no marks broken bones or any signs of physical abuse. Nor has he made any allegations, yet the school have said they believe he is physically abused. They said he is quite small for his age. They took bloods and these came back he is slightly anemic so now on iron supplements. The report says he is happy, chatty, doesn't look unwell, his nails teeth clothes and hair are all in great condition.
I know everyone says it but we are genuinely a very nice family, absolutely noone we have spoken to can believe what has happened. everyone including the school compliment us on our kids appearance their manners.. they are around several other people like dance teachers, gymnastics teachers and football coaches, swimming instructors. Taekwondo instructors... All who have never raised a concern about any of my children.
Has anyone been in a similar situation to me?

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theotherfossilsister · 19/10/2024 19:13

All of this sounds really hard. I’m sorry op. Is your son on a diagnostic pathway?

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 19:26

No he isn't. His behaviour at school is really good. I have asked a doctor who said they need a report from school who can't back me up.

When we had previous involvement with social in 2021 I raised it then and they said no aswell.

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LittleHangleton · 19/10/2024 19:32

I know this must be hard, but the purpose here is everyone making sure your children are safe - which you must want too?

The threshold for removing children under an immediate risk of significant harm is a very high threshold. No one does this on a whim.

I'd suggest you aim to be very compliant snd open with everything asked of you.

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 19:33

username3678 · 19/10/2024 19:11

Get in contact with Family Rights. They're an organisation who can advise regarding social services.

Thankyou :)

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LittleHangleton · 19/10/2024 19:34

Are your children all together with one foster family? Or family members?

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 19:37

LittleHangleton · 19/10/2024 19:32

I know this must be hard, but the purpose here is everyone making sure your children are safe - which you must want too?

The threshold for removing children under an immediate risk of significant harm is a very high threshold. No one does this on a whim.

I'd suggest you aim to be very compliant snd open with everything asked of you.

I am being compliant but they are not doing their jobs very well. I have signed a Section20 I have done everything they have asked me to do. I am not being kept informed of anything to do with my children.

If the threshold is very high then I am unsure as to why I have been arrested. Surely the social/police/school should come and speak to me about the allegations my child has made? I know not feeding your child tea bathing then in cold water and making them sleep on a sofa are all terrible things to be accused of but are they enough to remove 6 children? ... They have openly said they have no concerns about the other 5 children what so ever.

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Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 19:38

LittleHangleton · 19/10/2024 19:34

Are your children all together with one foster family? Or family members?

They have been split off into 3 groups of 2. Two of them are not even in the city we are from.

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Lwrenn · 19/10/2024 19:38

@Lucas28 I'm sorry to hear this, usually on these threads the OP is very confusing and you have an inkling there is more to the story but your story sounds legitimately a huge error.
I do know a family where something similar happened. It was the daughter of a colleague.
It was over 25 years ago now and it was before piercings and tattoos and alternative hairstyles were seen in the playgrounds and mums all just wore jeans and a fleece.
This family had full sleeve tattoos and the mum had black and red hair, very goth/moshery young parents.
An absolutely lovely family who had just been to haven on holiday and one of the children had fallen over as kids do and had a nasty bruise.
A teacher (who it transpired was a devout Christian woman) reported them for physical abuse. The children weren't fostered but had to go and live with their grandparents (gran was a nurse in the home i worked) whilst police investigated.
The teacher it turns out was rattled by a hoodie the children's dad had worn that had something about Satan, it was a Marilyn manson top if I can remember, and the teacher was up in arms convinced the family were santatic blood gargling child abusers.
Just a lovely wee family who liked heavy metal.
The police realised quickly the goth parents were just victims of discrimination but obviously that couldn't be proven with the kiddo having the bruise he got on his holiday but it was sorted relatively quickly.

I'm so sorry you're missing your lovely children and hope this is resolved soon.

I'm sure you'll have lots of posters not believe you and that's because lots of stories like this often do drip feed things that sound quite abusive but from your OP it sounds like an exceptional fuck up and again, I hope for resolution for you and your kiddos soon x

Cerealkiller4U · 19/10/2024 19:39

Oh my goodness OP

i cannot imagine the incredible pain and suffering you must be going through.

you’re doing an amazing job.

the pooing everywhere..:::I mean this is extreme…how a l it the boy of sound mind physically and mentally is doing that? I feel there must be something..:

there are Facebook groups that can. Help you. Have a Google. Ask on Reddit. Keep going.

PMAmostofthetime · 19/10/2024 19:45

@Lucas28 the fact that you have been arrested would immediately hit Social Services Threshold while the Police do their investigation.

Social Services will do their assessment alongside this, but despite popular public belief the Police hold more rights over child protection than Social Services.

For example- Social Services can not removed children without a section 20 or a court order the Police can.

I know it must be very frustrating for you but Social Services are being led by the Police and for that reason they can only update you about what the Police are allowing them too.

You can however ask for updates on the children from Social Services but again this will be limited to that they are doing well etc and not specific detail.

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 19:46

Lwrenn · 19/10/2024 19:38

@Lucas28 I'm sorry to hear this, usually on these threads the OP is very confusing and you have an inkling there is more to the story but your story sounds legitimately a huge error.
I do know a family where something similar happened. It was the daughter of a colleague.
It was over 25 years ago now and it was before piercings and tattoos and alternative hairstyles were seen in the playgrounds and mums all just wore jeans and a fleece.
This family had full sleeve tattoos and the mum had black and red hair, very goth/moshery young parents.
An absolutely lovely family who had just been to haven on holiday and one of the children had fallen over as kids do and had a nasty bruise.
A teacher (who it transpired was a devout Christian woman) reported them for physical abuse. The children weren't fostered but had to go and live with their grandparents (gran was a nurse in the home i worked) whilst police investigated.
The teacher it turns out was rattled by a hoodie the children's dad had worn that had something about Satan, it was a Marilyn manson top if I can remember, and the teacher was up in arms convinced the family were santatic blood gargling child abusers.
Just a lovely wee family who liked heavy metal.
The police realised quickly the goth parents were just victims of discrimination but obviously that couldn't be proven with the kiddo having the bruise he got on his holiday but it was sorted relatively quickly.

I'm so sorry you're missing your lovely children and hope this is resolved soon.

I'm sure you'll have lots of posters not believe you and that's because lots of stories like this often do drip feed things that sound quite abusive but from your OP it sounds like an exceptional fuck up and again, I hope for resolution for you and your kiddos soon x

Thankyou so much for your kind message.

Honestly there is nothing more to my story, I have genuinely read stories before and thought surely not? But I wouldn't gain anything from asking advice from half a story I'm telling. I'm being genuine, I'm honestly so confused as to why noone like social have approached me and asked about the allegations. Kids are kids, they all say things? My 6 year old once school went only had 5 seats in our car when he was 4 and he got to la hey in the boot cos we didn't have a seat for him. We laughed with the teacher when they saw our 8 seater... I know they must take kids words very serious but I'm just upset and angry noone has asked me about anything and also the report says he is mildly anemic...

When I spoke to the social worker the day after my children were removed they said the police were called because they thought I was going to harm my child because I "threatened" to remove him from school. Which I absolutely didn't I asked to speak to the teacher and at this point I was non the wiser to the social being called!

It's just a big mess :(

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Lwrenn · 19/10/2024 19:46

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 19:37

I am being compliant but they are not doing their jobs very well. I have signed a Section20 I have done everything they have asked me to do. I am not being kept informed of anything to do with my children.

If the threshold is very high then I am unsure as to why I have been arrested. Surely the social/police/school should come and speak to me about the allegations my child has made? I know not feeding your child tea bathing then in cold water and making them sleep on a sofa are all terrible things to be accused of but are they enough to remove 6 children? ... They have openly said they have no concerns about the other 5 children what so ever.

Often in abuse cases one child is singled out and abused as a tactic to stop people suspecting abuse. Think of the book a child called it or the recent and terrible case of little Arthur labinjo Hughes.
It may well be after the last few years of countless deaths of abused children that happened because of lockdown restrictions your local authority may not take any chances.

(I had an absolute fantasist of a little boy myself and had a few phone calls from head teacher but they were such outlandish claims they didn't go further than the head. I took him to see the Blackpool lights when he was about 8 and he went into school on the Monday and said we'd witnessed a drive by shooting in Los Angeles. He's an adult now and luckily he grew out of it)

PMAmostofthetime · 19/10/2024 19:48

@Lucas28 Social Services will not be allowed to ask you about the allegations, the police will do this as part of their investigation. I would contact the child protection officer who is in charge of your case and ask for a timeline of when things are planned to happen.

LittleHangleton · 19/10/2024 19:50

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 19:37

I am being compliant but they are not doing their jobs very well. I have signed a Section20 I have done everything they have asked me to do. I am not being kept informed of anything to do with my children.

If the threshold is very high then I am unsure as to why I have been arrested. Surely the social/police/school should come and speak to me about the allegations my child has made? I know not feeding your child tea bathing then in cold water and making them sleep on a sofa are all terrible things to be accused of but are they enough to remove 6 children? ... They have openly said they have no concerns about the other 5 children what so ever.

You will have been advised to get a solicitor as part of signing the S20. Do you have one? Your solicitor is best placed to get you answers on your charges.

With due respect though, you are low on the priority in this situation. Social care will be focusing on the children - getting them settled into Foster homes and all the trauma that involves, finding them new schools, setting up PEPs, assessing their needs.

You should have has a Child In Care Review which will discuss all this. If you haven't, they'll be one soon. But the CIC review doesn't discuss your criminal charges directly. That's now between you, police and your solicitor. Not social care.

AngryLikeHades · 19/10/2024 19:52

This must be unimaginably hard for you, OP. I hope SS see the reality soon xxxx hugs

AngryLikeHades · 19/10/2024 19:58

I would have thought that SS and the police will pick up the instances where you sought out help and advice when you were concerned.
That will paint a more true picture.
Easier said than done, but hold on to that. I hope you get the acknowledgement you deserve soon xxx

Pottingup · 19/10/2024 19:59

If you don’t have a solicitor you need to get one on Monday. Go on the Law Society find a solicitor website and put in Children Panel solicitor. Find one in your area and phone them up and explain that your children are on section 20 but you want them back with you.

WomanFromTheNorth · 19/10/2024 20:00

You should be entitled to free legal advice from a solicitor. Go and see a solicitor that specialises in care proceedings.

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 20:07

LittleHangleton · 19/10/2024 19:50

You will have been advised to get a solicitor as part of signing the S20. Do you have one? Your solicitor is best placed to get you answers on your charges.

With due respect though, you are low on the priority in this situation. Social care will be focusing on the children - getting them settled into Foster homes and all the trauma that involves, finding them new schools, setting up PEPs, assessing their needs.

You should have has a Child In Care Review which will discuss all this. If you haven't, they'll be one soon. But the CIC review doesn't discuss your criminal charges directly. That's now between you, police and your solicitor. Not social care.

I have a child in care review at the end of next week.

No disrespect but the social are not more concerned about my children. They aren't moving my children schools.. and they didn't advise me to get a solicitor because if the S20. They didn't actually tell me what I was signing. They asked me very rushed for a signature and explained it was incase the foster carer needed to take my children to the doctor over the weekend. They don't answer the phone, emails or anything. The foster carer who has my oldest children has also told me she struggles to get hold of her and has asked numerous questions for them to pass on to me about getting their hair cuts ect and they haven't. They're really slack at a y communication.

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Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 20:09

Pottingup · 19/10/2024 19:59

If you don’t have a solicitor you need to get one on Monday. Go on the Law Society find a solicitor website and put in Children Panel solicitor. Find one in your area and phone them up and explain that your children are on section 20 but you want them back with you.

I have a solicitor and the issue with getting my children back is my bail conditions which they have explained to me are standard in a case like this.

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HappytoH3lp · 19/10/2024 20:20

If you just have a criminal law solicitor, who is supporting you with the police investigation, you will need a family law solicitor as well. They aren’t the same. You won’t be entitled to a legal aid family law solicitor under section 20, but if you contact one they may take on your case anyway, as social services should not be using section 20 for this long. If they have concerns your children are not safe in your care, they need to issue PLO (pre court proceedings process) or care/ court proceedings, both of which entitle you and their father to a legal aid family law solicitor and, if in care proceedings the children also get their own solicitor too

CanIBeHonest · 19/10/2024 20:28

I am so sorry for what your going through.

Are you able to give us some more background about your family?

Do you have a DH/DP? Are they all his kids or is there another ex in the picture?

Do you or DP work? If so what do you do?

Do you have any family involvement? I volved grandparents? Aunts/uncles?

This may help build a bigger picture as to what the police/services may be imagining even if it's something completely untrue.

Do your kids do well in school? Any child with SEN?

It's very unfortunate. I hope this all moves quickly. You must be beside yourself X

Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 20:34

HappytoH3lp · 19/10/2024 20:20

If you just have a criminal law solicitor, who is supporting you with the police investigation, you will need a family law solicitor as well. They aren’t the same. You won’t be entitled to a legal aid family law solicitor under section 20, but if you contact one they may take on your case anyway, as social services should not be using section 20 for this long. If they have concerns your children are not safe in your care, they need to issue PLO (pre court proceedings process) or care/ court proceedings, both of which entitle you and their father to a legal aid family law solicitor and, if in care proceedings the children also get their own solicitor too

I have both.
I haven't had much interaction from my criminal law solicitor.

The social did say they would go to court but haven't yet, I'm unsure why.

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Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 20:49

CanIBeHonest · 19/10/2024 20:28

I am so sorry for what your going through.

Are you able to give us some more background about your family?

Do you have a DH/DP? Are they all his kids or is there another ex in the picture?

Do you or DP work? If so what do you do?

Do you have any family involvement? I volved grandparents? Aunts/uncles?

This may help build a bigger picture as to what the police/services may be imagining even if it's something completely untrue.

Do your kids do well in school? Any child with SEN?

It's very unfortunate. I hope this all moves quickly. You must be beside yourself X

Thankyou..

We have been married for 11 years. They are all his kids.

Both my parents have passed away. Other halves parents live 4 hour away he's never had much involvement with his family. None of us have any grandparents.

I have 2 aunties I'm really close too. & I have alot of very close friends and cousins who are also very close to the kids.

My kids do really well in school and have no sens plans.

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