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Lucas28 · 19/10/2024 19:05

apologise if this message is abit long.
I have 6 children, all aged between 12 and 6. My 8 year old son has always proved a little difficult for me to handle. His behaviour at home is really defiante. Everything is a chore, he doesn't get on well with his siblings because of his behaviour either. Alot of the time it sounds really silly but just things like he won't get dressed won't brush his teeth won't go in the bath without screaming, we take them on holiday or days out very regular and sometimes he won't join in. He poos all over my house, on the carpets, on teddy bears, wipes it on the curtains. He's pooed on my sofa. In 2021 he went through a stage of not eating, it was the time of covid and no doctor wanted to know they brushed it under the carpet because he was healthy. The school referred us to the social services who came out, did an assement on us and left.
His behaviour has got better over the years, sometimes he does revert back to his old ways. However the oast few months he has started the eating thing again, he steals food at school. The safe guardin teacher gives him spare and also he is allowed to go to her at school if he is hungry, which he has been doing every day. He then comes home and refuses to eat for me. He will pick at his tea, say it is spicy and then later on we find banana peels, crisp packets ect all hidden in his room. He steals money, he's stolen my wedding rings, car keys. Eventually he returns them or admits he has stolen them but this is something I have raised with the teachers and the safe guarding teacher and the senco teacher too.
In July I broke down at school and told the safe guarding teacher I was struggling as every day for a few weeks he has been very difficult. She made a plan with my child who when she asked why he doesn't eat at home he openly told her "I like to upset my mum" he had previously told other teachers this too and about his stealing.
I never heard anything after July. We had a great summer, we went on holiday, we did lots of days out and majority of the time my son joined in and really enjoyed the holidays with us. His eating wasn't brilliant but he wasn't poorly and he was eating enough for me to not be concerned about. However he is quite small for his age. He has been weighted and measured at school and always done back the perfect BMI. Iv mentioned to a few professionals before about his height all who have said "every child grows differently and as long as he is healthy" - he is never at the doctor & has about 3 days off school his whole life apart from when schools had bubbles ect in COVID.
However on the 26th September I attended school to drop my 4 youngest off and my 8 year old didn't want to go he was drying sayin he didn't want to see the teachers they keep asking him questions and he's upset by it, so I approached reception and asked to speak to the teacher in question. I wasn't nasty or anything I just wanted to clear things with her as we hadn't spoken since July really.
I was then asked to go into a room where 2 social workers were waiting for me, apparently they had attended my house twice that week... Once at half past 4 but we were out at football and once at half 8am but I was on the school run. She asked me a few questions and then about 15 minutes later the police turned up and arrested me for child neglect. The social worker was even gob smacked.
The accusations made against me by my son were that I dont feed him tea, I bath him in a cold bath (something I have never heard from anyone) and that I make him sleep on a sofa.
I was released on bail and so was my husband but as a result the children have gone into foster care.
It's been 3 weeks and 2 days, no social worker has shown me any reports. Iv seen my children once for an hour and a half. They mentioned on the second say they would apply for an interm court order but I haven't heard anything since. When I did see my children and the social worker she said to us all "this is just a temporary measure whilst the police do their investigations"
I have spoken to 2 of my children on the phone once. 2 of them twice.
My little boy who made these allegations has told us and the social worker he wants to come home but obviously now they have to take what he has said very serious.
He has had a medical at the hospital which said he had no marks broken bones or any signs of physical abuse. Nor has he made any allegations, yet the school have said they believe he is physically abused. They said he is quite small for his age. They took bloods and these came back he is slightly anemic so now on iron supplements. The report says he is happy, chatty, doesn't look unwell, his nails teeth clothes and hair are all in great condition.
I know everyone says it but we are genuinely a very nice family, absolutely noone we have spoken to can believe what has happened. everyone including the school compliment us on our kids appearance their manners.. they are around several other people like dance teachers, gymnastics teachers and football coaches, swimming instructors. Taekwondo instructors... All who have never raised a concern about any of my children.
Has anyone been in a similar situation to me?

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Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 00:21

murasaki · 20/10/2024 00:17

I imagine your 8 year old is also very confused and sad. I agree that them being with a relative, together if that can be done and you having supervised visits until it's sorted is the best idea. It's not fair on the kids to be split up.

Social workers have a shit time though they get blamed for doing nothing, and also for interventions. I couldn't do it.

I hope you get a resolution soon.

Well all my children including my 6 year old son have been told exactly what's going on and that they can't come home because mum and dad are in "trouble" with the police. They know I'm on bail.. which is something I wouldn't of actually shared with them.

When I had my first contact with my children my 8 year old was distraught and begged us to take him home, he kept apologising to us but the social kept telling him he has nothing to be sorry, which if course I don't blame him. He's 8 and he obviously didn't know what was going to happen did he.

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murasaki · 20/10/2024 00:22

Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 00:20

Well all my children including my 6 year old son have been told exactly what's going on and that they can't come home because mum and dad are in "trouble" with the police. They know I'm on bail.. which is something I wouldn't of actually shared with them.

When I had my first contact with my children my 8 year old was distraught and begged us to take him home, he kept apologising to us but the social kept telling him he has nothing to be sorry, which if course I don't blame him. He's 8 and he obviously didn't know what was going to happen did he.

Of course he didn't, poor kid. And the others, that sounds a brutal way to talk to them.

You're just going to have to ride it out as you said, but I do feel for you and the whole family.

Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 00:23

PMAmostofthetime · 20/10/2024 00:20

@Peonies007 72hours under child protection or until the earliest court date SS can get

Yes it was 72 hour but I signed the section 20 within 24 hour and now they social haven't raised court again. I think they will now my solicitor is threatening we revoke our consent.

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Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 00:25

murasaki · 20/10/2024 00:22

Of course he didn't, poor kid. And the others, that sounds a brutal way to talk to them.

You're just going to have to ride it out as you said, but I do feel for you and the whole family.

Thankyou so much.

I also agree about the social, I do think they get a lot of stick. And I do honestly appreciate why they've done what they've done of course they have to protect the children and make sure they're safe..

But I honestly don't agree with how slack they are, how little communication they give. Even the foster carers have told me they struggle to get answers out of them. My current social worker has gone on holiday and hasn't even told me until her automated email came back. Just think they're in professional sometimes because they know most people are scared of them.

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murasaki · 20/10/2024 00:32

Over worked and under resourced. If the Foster carers are getting the same thing at least you can infer it's not social services refusing to talk to you specifically,not that that makes it better.

I remember in the early nineties, that 'I'll phone Childline' was a frequent threat waved by me and my friends, when we didn't get what we wanted, although we all had lovely childhoods. We were naughty manipulative shits, looking back. Now I'm by no means saying your son has done the same, but it has brought on an embarrassing memory for me.

Peonies007 · 20/10/2024 00:32

Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 00:25

Thankyou so much.

I also agree about the social, I do think they get a lot of stick. And I do honestly appreciate why they've done what they've done of course they have to protect the children and make sure they're safe..

But I honestly don't agree with how slack they are, how little communication they give. Even the foster carers have told me they struggle to get answers out of them. My current social worker has gone on holiday and hasn't even told me until her automated email came back. Just think they're in professional sometimes because they know most people are scared of them.

Husband says this.. few weeks-few months. Nothing stopping you wondering to Police Station and asking for an update (check with solicitor though).

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Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 00:36

Peonies007 · 20/10/2024 00:32

Husband says this.. few weeks-few months. Nothing stopping you wondering to Police Station and asking for an update (check with solicitor though).

Was actually advised not to pressure the police and told they wouldn't discuss anything with me whilst investigations were going on, however starting to feel like IV been fed alot of wrong advice but again because I'm not familiar with it all been worried about pushing.

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Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 00:38

murasaki · 20/10/2024 00:32

Over worked and under resourced. If the Foster carers are getting the same thing at least you can infer it's not social services refusing to talk to you specifically,not that that makes it better.

I remember in the early nineties, that 'I'll phone Childline' was a frequent threat waved by me and my friends, when we didn't get what we wanted, although we all had lovely childhoods. We were naughty manipulative shits, looking back. Now I'm by no means saying your son has done the same, but it has brought on an embarrassing memory for me.

Yer absolutely they are under staffed and it must be hard when she has 6 kids in 3 foster placements to look after let alone the other work load she has.

Yer 100%... Was always thrown around wasn't it. And especially in this day and age they don't take anything lightly anymore do they!

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murasaki · 20/10/2024 00:39

Could the solicitor ask? It'll cost you but be less emotionally charged. I'd check with them if that's an option.

Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 00:40

murasaki · 20/10/2024 00:39

Could the solicitor ask? It'll cost you but be less emotionally charged. I'd check with them if that's an option.

Yer I'm going to call them Monday and ask them too :)

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murasaki · 20/10/2024 00:41

I think I threatened Childline once because my dad wouldn't let me ride my skateboard in the road with no knee pads aged 12 and having owned it for a whole week.

The shame now.....

Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 00:45

SomeFinElse · 19/10/2024 23:17

In one post you described your DS 8 and then having had to take your four younger kids to school.

Yes, he is 8.

I have 6 children... I said I was taking my 4 youngest to school, 8 year old is one of them but not sure how me saying I took my 4 youngest meant they are younger than him. I meant 4 youngest of the 6.

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Findingmypurposeinlife · 20/10/2024 00:45

Beth O on Tik Tok has a platform where you can talk to others in similar situations.

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Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 00:48

murasaki · 20/10/2024 00:41

I think I threatened Childline once because my dad wouldn't let me ride my skateboard in the road with no knee pads aged 12 and having owned it for a whole week.

The shame now.....

I honestly think what's happened is because he knows he can leave class ect for snacks and food he is of course doing so. He knows If he says he doesn't eat breakfast she takes him for for a bagel at school ect.. so he eats enough at school to then come home and be picky with me. I have tried speaking to the teacher about this but obviously she didn't work with me on it just assumed I didn't want him to eat of course.

Then it's got out of hand with him.

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Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 00:49

Findingmypurposeinlife · 20/10/2024 00:45

Beth O on Tik Tok has a platform where you can talk to others in similar situations.

Thanks for that, il look her up

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Findingmypurposeinlife · 20/10/2024 00:50

Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 00:49

Thanks for that, il look her up

She is live now with a few others 🤍

murasaki · 20/10/2024 00:53

Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 00:48

I honestly think what's happened is because he knows he can leave class ect for snacks and food he is of course doing so. He knows If he says he doesn't eat breakfast she takes him for for a bagel at school ect.. so he eats enough at school to then come home and be picky with me. I have tried speaking to the teacher about this but obviously she didn't work with me on it just assumed I didn't want him to eat of course.

Then it's got out of hand with him.

Sounds likely, his communication skills and behaviour sound like SEN to me, and he's said she didn't feed me, which you didn't in his mind as he didn't eat what you provided as he was already full. So in his mind you didn't feed him. Now there could be more to it, but that sounds quite likely to me.

Saying that, there is a high threshold for removal, so I don't know. But I wish you well.

Peonies007 · 20/10/2024 00:54

Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 00:36

Was actually advised not to pressure the police and told they wouldn't discuss anything with me whilst investigations were going on, however starting to feel like IV been fed alot of wrong advice but again because I'm not familiar with it all been worried about pushing.

I don't know how a simple matter can take months?
Speak to child, speak to school and parents. Possibly neighbours?
Check the phone. Check any previous safeguarding issues? Any convictions? What else is there to check? Shouldn't take more than a week.
It's your word against 8yo. Unless they can find evidence, they can't charge you.
Things my then 8yo autistic kid used to say..our fridge is always empty.. yes,because ocado only been 4 times this week and I can't keep up with ordering foid the way you three are going through food.
I was imprisoned in the house and not allowed out for a few months (yup, lockdown and we went out a lot more than other people, bc you had the autism exemption).

I will be doomed if someone asks him the wrong questions and doesn't ask for proper details.

murasaki · 20/10/2024 01:04

Yes, if Social services were to look in my fridge right now, I'd be considered lacking. There's milk, mayonnaise, parmesan, the end of a bag of spinach and one pepper.

I'm doing a fresh stuff shop tomorrow.

But the store cupboard is full of pasta, tins, spices, rice, flour, passata, etc, and the freezer is rammed with homemade soups, lasagna, stews, and some frozen other stuff. We could live for at least 3 weeks I reckon without leaving the house.

But right now, checking just the fridge, I'd look neglectful.

Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 01:06

Peonies007 · 20/10/2024 00:54

I don't know how a simple matter can take months?
Speak to child, speak to school and parents. Possibly neighbours?
Check the phone. Check any previous safeguarding issues? Any convictions? What else is there to check? Shouldn't take more than a week.
It's your word against 8yo. Unless they can find evidence, they can't charge you.
Things my then 8yo autistic kid used to say..our fridge is always empty.. yes,because ocado only been 4 times this week and I can't keep up with ordering foid the way you three are going through food.
I was imprisoned in the house and not allowed out for a few months (yup, lockdown and we went out a lot more than other people, bc you had the autism exemption).

I will be doomed if someone asks him the wrong questions and doesn't ask for proper details.

Exactly.
I have so many people who can back me up with his eating habits and his behaviour. It's obviously doesn't look good cos the safe guarding teacher said she thinks I neglect him and obviously he says I don't feed him.

This is exactly all stuff we're going through now. 4 of my other children go football clubs.. but he's told them he is upset because he wants to go. So now they're questioning why my daughter dances, my other children play football. They've wrote at school I don't want him to thrive because he's the only one not doing football. But noones asked me about it..yer he does taekwondo, they have all done swimming lessons. It's not as black and white as it comes out of a child's mouth is it.

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Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 01:09

murasaki · 20/10/2024 01:04

Yes, if Social services were to look in my fridge right now, I'd be considered lacking. There's milk, mayonnaise, parmesan, the end of a bag of spinach and one pepper.

I'm doing a fresh stuff shop tomorrow.

But the store cupboard is full of pasta, tins, spices, rice, flour, passata, etc, and the freezer is rammed with homemade soups, lasagna, stews, and some frozen other stuff. We could live for at least 3 weeks I reckon without leaving the house.

But right now, checking just the fridge, I'd look neglectful.

Absolutely. Luckily the day they came round was food shop day haha but if you go into my cupboards on a wednesday we have nothing left!

And that's all they would look at the bloody fridge. Drives me mad how they can make this persona of you!

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murasaki · 20/10/2024 01:13

I would have been 'behold the wonders of my freezer and my list per drawer that is stuck on the outside and updated everytime I take something out. And my cupboards'

At least I hope I've made you laugh a little in this awful time.

Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 01:15

murasaki · 20/10/2024 01:13

I would have been 'behold the wonders of my freezer and my list per drawer that is stuck on the outside and updated everytime I take something out. And my cupboards'

At least I hope I've made you laugh a little in this awful time.

Haha thankyou.
Got to laugh because I'm on the verge of a bloody breakdown 🙈

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Peonies007 · 20/10/2024 01:17

Lucas28 · 20/10/2024 01:06

Exactly.
I have so many people who can back me up with his eating habits and his behaviour. It's obviously doesn't look good cos the safe guarding teacher said she thinks I neglect him and obviously he says I don't feed him.

This is exactly all stuff we're going through now. 4 of my other children go football clubs.. but he's told them he is upset because he wants to go. So now they're questioning why my daughter dances, my other children play football. They've wrote at school I don't want him to thrive because he's the only one not doing football. But noones asked me about it..yer he does taekwondo, they have all done swimming lessons. It's not as black and white as it comes out of a child's mouth is it.

Yup, we have the same thing. My younger two do different things, tons of them. The autistic one doesn't do any, bar pigeon clay shooting (with instructor) and there is a talk of fencing (which I can't find club for and also not sure as he also has adhd and can at times be acting without thinking. Don't want any other kids injured). He also at time says things like.. I wish I could go to xx, I go great! Then a min later.. but I can't wear their uniform/it's too noisy/etc.
Does he do things like he has a favourite food for a while and then won't ever eat it again? Issues with clothing/noise/textures?
Fixations with things?

Peonies007 · 20/10/2024 01:19

murasaki · 20/10/2024 01:13

I would have been 'behold the wonders of my freezer and my list per drawer that is stuck on the outside and updated everytime I take something out. And my cupboards'

At least I hope I've made you laugh a little in this awful time.

Haha! Will memorise that.

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