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13 year old daughter is out of control - Please help me.

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NewEnglandDeli · 14/11/2022 22:43

Hi,

This may be a long one as I don’t want to drip feed, but I would really appreciate you sticking with this and offering any advice as i’m so lost. I feel like such a failure and I don’t know what on Earth to do. She is ruining my life.

This child comes from a stable, loving home. I kid you not when I tell you she is showered with love. She is told, and shown, often how loved she is. She also wants for nothing, as we are incredibly lucky to have financial stability - Maybe this is the problem. She has too much. I’ll caveat this with saying we are starting to feel the pinch like many, we are both self employed and things haven’t been marvellous this year. We are facing the new year with some worry and trepidation like so many others, but our daughter doesn’t know this. She still has everything she could want or need & it’s always drummed in to her how fortunate she is.

My house is an open home. Her friends are always here, i’m always hosting parties and organising days out with her friends and their parents (We are all good friends as we met when our girls were 2 and they all went through school together) She has a good social life, loves school, is a really popular kid and she also goes to martial arts classes 2 times per week where she’s met some new friends and is excelling. She is brilliant at martial arts and I was hoping it would instil respect and discipline- It hasn’t. She’s going worse as time goes on.

We have a younger son who idolises his big sister. He’s only 4 and she does get jealous of him sometimes but they are very close. It breaks my heart to watch how scared he looks when she kicks off. I also can’t stomach watching him observing her when she swears and speaks to us like shit. This innocent little boy will think it’s ok to talk to his parents this way if this carries on. I cannot allow this.

In Primary school she was a model pupil. Literally the perfect child. She shone academically, was incredibly polite, enthusiastic and in Y6 became Head Girl of the school. I couldn’t have wished
for more. Since starting Secondary school she has slowly changed. She’s in Y8 and each passing week she gets worse. Luckily, her school work isn’t suffering and she treats her teachers with the respect that they deserve but I mean at home, she is becoming unrecognisable.

We expected the usual teen strops, eye rolling, not wanting to “hang around” with us anymore, and it did start off like that, but now she’s become aggressive- slamming doors, threatening violence, swearing, totally overreacting at the slightest request such as tidying her absolute pig sty of a room.

She is permanently on her phone. Laughing, joking on Facetime, scrolling Tick Tock and Snapchat. I took her away in the October half term, just she and I. Her brother and dad stayed home. Her phone remained her constant companion and in the end I had a go at her about putting her bloody phone down and enjoying some quality time with her mother. I’d have killed for that at her age. I came from an unstable home due to a dad that a womaniser and a
criminal and a mum that wasn’t around for
me as much as she should have been (Although she and I are fine now and she openly
admits her past faults) I always swore my kids would feel loved and secure and so “one on one” time is very important to me. I occasionally take her to the theatre, for dinner etc. She never particularly wants to be there but I do it anyway so she knows that I want to spend time with her and that she is so important to me. In a nutshell she certainly does get time and attention.

I’d be here all night if I gave all of the examples of her behaviour but i’ll share 3 incidents this week -

Bonfire night we were at the local pub for dinner before the fireworks display. We were with friends and their daughters who are friends with my 2 children. My husband asked our daughter what she wanted for her dinner and she replied with “Nothing, it’s vile in here”…. 10 minutes later we had all ordered and she looked like she regretted her decision, so he asked her again. Her response this time was a very loud “I said nothing. Shut your face before I smash it in”

To say that I was disgusted, embarrassed and heartbroken was an understatement. The whole pub looked at her. Her dad looked like he wanted to cry, and whilst I love him very much he is a bit useless at all of this. He’s never been the disciplinarian, he is anything for a quiet life. He will rarely talk about her behaviour to her. He will either brush it under the carpet and leave me to try and deal with it, or he’ll say to me that he can’t do this anymore, he can’t live with her whilst she is like this and he feels like he doesn’t want to be in our home.

Second example this week was Friday night. She came home from school with a Monster energy drink (She had it hidden) She knows quite well these aren’t allowed, it’s non negotiable. I found it, asked where it had come from and she said her friend gave it to her. I’m friends with this kid’s
mum and dad and so said i’d call them about it as I know for a fact their child isn’t allowed these drinks. She exploded. Called me and her dad the world’s worst parents, said she hates us, we are “Fucking rats and fucking grasses and she hopes we die” She began screaming and crying like a lunatic. Her little brother’s face :( He was so scared. I can’t continue to let him witness this.

After these 2 incidents I took her phone away: She did appear sorry and more pleasant and so it was reinstated. I’m no angel. I will shout and berate her for her behaviour, I don’t let it go. I lose my shit over it and when I’m calm I talk and try and reason and understand but she cannot answer why she behaves this way. She says she doesn’t know and that she doesn’t think it’s “that bad”

The last example was tonight. Laughing and joking all night on the phone with her friends. I popped my head in to say Goodnight and she said “Where’s my food?” In that awful, disrespectful manner that she so often uses. I asked her to explain what she meant as she had her dinner when she came from school. Her reply “That didn’t fill me up. I thought you were making soup” When I explained i’d made the soup but didn’t think she’d like it, she started screaming that she’s neglected, and that she’ll go and make a “fucking sandwich” She flounced out of her room and then she punched me in the arm with hatred in her face.

I squared up to her, I honestly wanted to slap her face. I have had ENOUGH. All I could think is how fucking DARE SHE!!! It’s getting out of control. Hitting me! Who the hell does she thinks she is. Seriously, she wants for nothing, loved and cared for. Why on earth is she doing this to me? I said to her “You have gone too fucking far now, how dare you”

She laughed in my face and called me a
dickhead. I absolutely lost it, I wooled her by her head to her bedroom, I went nuclear. I took her phone, remote control, everything of value to her. I told her what a disappointment she’d become and that she was a devastatingly bad example to her impressionable little brother. I then started sobbing, begging her to explain why she behaves this way. She couldn’t answer. I told her I hated who she had become because it’s the truth. I cannot stand her anymore. She was warned that this is it. She’s fucked up monumentally. The phone has gone, she is grounded for the foreseeable future, she is confined to her bedroom.

I’m not proud of my actions tonight but I’ve put up with this for so long. My heart is shattered. She’s vile, it’s as simple as that.

I have no idea where i’ve gone so wrong. We’ve always had boundaries, she’d always respected them until this last year. She was a wonderful kid and I was so proud of her but now she is truly unpleasant and i’m left feeling like the world’s
biggest failure as a parent.

Please can anyone offer advice. How the hell do I deal with this? What can I do? Why on Earth has she become so awful?

My only thought is to speak to her martial arts teacher and ask him for help. I literally don’t know what else to do?

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SchrodingersKettle · 14/11/2022 23:00

You and your DH BOTH need to be consistently firm with her. When she misbehaves, you cannot "sob and beg her to explain". You need to stay coolly in control.

If she speaks disrespectfully to you in public, you know what you do? One of you takes her home. It is that simple. That parent can leave her in the house and return to wherever you were.

You have to stop spoiling her in your attempt to be the mum you never had yourself.

So this means - no theatre trips, no dinners etc. 1 to 1 time can be much simpler - a walk in the woods, doing some DIY together, going shoppong for Christmas presents.

Let it be known that from now on phone and media time is restricted unless she behaves. Set up limits on her phone that restrict access to certain apps.

She should have a list of chores that she uncomplainingly completes. If she does not complete them, her phone/internet time reduces further.

If she kicks off in front of her DB you must try and remove him from the situation . If that is impractical you have to send her to her room.

You are doing her no favours by spoiling her, being soft, then turning on her in fury and losing control of your emotions.

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 14/11/2022 23:02

Who are her friends? Could she be trying illegal substances?

Are you sure there is no bullying?

Kids do change as teens but your dd seems to be on the extreme end.

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 14/11/2022 23:05

Have a look in the teen section of parenting.

There are a few threads in there you may find useful

One is about talking disrespectfully

There are lots of us over there can can offer advise.

Other wise you will just get responses from parents of younger kids that have not been through this.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

NewEnglandDeli · 14/11/2022 23:06

@SchrodingersKettle Thank you for replying. I really do appreciate it.

That bit about spoiling her in an attempt to be the mum I never had really resonated with me.

I just wish I knew why she was like this. It sickens me to my stomach that she behaves this way. Jesus Christ, what an entitled little Witch i’ve raised and you are correct, I’ve definitely spoilt her.

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Bunce1 · 14/11/2022 23:10

SchrodingersKettle · 14/11/2022 23:00

You and your DH BOTH need to be consistently firm with her. When she misbehaves, you cannot "sob and beg her to explain". You need to stay coolly in control.

If she speaks disrespectfully to you in public, you know what you do? One of you takes her home. It is that simple. That parent can leave her in the house and return to wherever you were.

You have to stop spoiling her in your attempt to be the mum you never had yourself.

So this means - no theatre trips, no dinners etc. 1 to 1 time can be much simpler - a walk in the woods, doing some DIY together, going shoppong for Christmas presents.

Let it be known that from now on phone and media time is restricted unless she behaves. Set up limits on her phone that restrict access to certain apps.

She should have a list of chores that she uncomplainingly completes. If she does not complete them, her phone/internet time reduces further.

If she kicks off in front of her DB you must try and remove him from the situation . If that is impractical you have to send her to her room.

You are doing her no favours by spoiling her, being soft, then turning on her in fury and losing control of your emotions.

All of this.

if my teen spoke to us like that in the restaurant she’d be taken home immediately.

love isn’t theatre trips and special mum time it’s boundaries and routines and consistency too across the board. Treats are for everyone and not this extreme form of love bombing. .

Passportpondery · 14/11/2022 23:10

SchrodingersKettle · 14/11/2022 23:00

You and your DH BOTH need to be consistently firm with her. When she misbehaves, you cannot "sob and beg her to explain". You need to stay coolly in control.

If she speaks disrespectfully to you in public, you know what you do? One of you takes her home. It is that simple. That parent can leave her in the house and return to wherever you were.

You have to stop spoiling her in your attempt to be the mum you never had yourself.

So this means - no theatre trips, no dinners etc. 1 to 1 time can be much simpler - a walk in the woods, doing some DIY together, going shoppong for Christmas presents.

Let it be known that from now on phone and media time is restricted unless she behaves. Set up limits on her phone that restrict access to certain apps.

She should have a list of chores that she uncomplainingly completes. If she does not complete them, her phone/internet time reduces further.

If she kicks off in front of her DB you must try and remove him from the situation . If that is impractical you have to send her to her room.

You are doing her no favours by spoiling her, being soft, then turning on her in fury and losing control of your emotions.

^this.

Look at the language and tone you are using when angry. If it’s not acceptable for her to swear at you then you shouldn’t be sweating at/around her either.

Get rid of the phone!

Bunce1 · 14/11/2022 23:10

What happened at the restaurant? What was the immediate reaction?

Axahooxa · 14/11/2022 23:12

Honestly- this isn’t out of the realms of normal teenage behaviour, difficult as it is to cope with. Does she have periods? PMT?

She’s not wicked. She’s an adolescent. And it’s hard parenting teensgers- it can bring intense challenges.

What has helped me: learning as much as possible about teenagers and adolescent behaviour. Doing everything I can to remain calm and not losing the plot. Having a hands-off rule: do not touch/push her into her room- you’ll risk hurting her when you’re furious (and you will be- often).

MrsTimRiggins · 14/11/2022 23:13

SchrodingersKettle · 14/11/2022 23:00

You and your DH BOTH need to be consistently firm with her. When she misbehaves, you cannot "sob and beg her to explain". You need to stay coolly in control.

If she speaks disrespectfully to you in public, you know what you do? One of you takes her home. It is that simple. That parent can leave her in the house and return to wherever you were.

You have to stop spoiling her in your attempt to be the mum you never had yourself.

So this means - no theatre trips, no dinners etc. 1 to 1 time can be much simpler - a walk in the woods, doing some DIY together, going shoppong for Christmas presents.

Let it be known that from now on phone and media time is restricted unless she behaves. Set up limits on her phone that restrict access to certain apps.

She should have a list of chores that she uncomplainingly completes. If she does not complete them, her phone/internet time reduces further.

If she kicks off in front of her DB you must try and remove him from the situation . If that is impractical you have to send her to her room.

You are doing her no favours by spoiling her, being soft, then turning on her in fury and losing control of your emotions.

This is very good, solid advice. I know it must be upsetting for you, having your daughter behave in such a way, but to get control of the situation, you really must get control of yourself. Shouting, screaming, swearing, dragging her to her room (I think?), breaking down and sobbing.. its all too much and, as has been mentioned, if it isn’t okay for her to behave that way, you ought not either.

RunLolaRun102 · 14/11/2022 23:14

It’s the phone. Too much screentime fundamentally changes kids’ personalities. I would just cut it off and make her earn ‘pay as you go’. If she uses all her credit then tough. You don’t replace it until she has earned it back.

NewEnglandDeli · 14/11/2022 23:15

@HeBeaverandSheBeaver Same friends as from Primary. They all went to the same (Very decent Church school) Secondary.

Illegal substances- She’d have a tricky time fitting that in as she doesn’t go anywhere alone other than to and from school. Her friends are either at our house, or she is at their house or she’s at the
Church youth club once a month, as well as martial arts - Where I stay and watch. I really don’t think it’s that but am terrified that’s to
come!

Bullying - I wouldn’t know. I mean kids can be cruel, and of course social media pressure etc… But she’s a fairly confident kid who can physically defend herself. She studied karate from age 6, and now does mixed martial arts. I’ve seen what she can do and I think in a fight she’d come out on top with most kids her age. I don’t think kids want to mess with her as all of her friends know that she’s trained in self defence.

I didn’t know that section existed. Will take a look and post there. Thank you.

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Axahooxa · 14/11/2022 23:17

‘Her little brother’s face :( He was so scared. I can’t continue to let him witness this.’

It won’t harm him if you explain that she’s just distressed and learning to handle lots of big emotions. Talk to him about it. Pop him somewhere else to watch something or play when it kicks off. My 4 year old sees huge meltdowns from his big sister and knows it’ll all be ok- she’s just stressed out.

CrotchetyQuaver · 14/11/2022 23:18

You and your DH have to present an absolutely united front to her and agree how you deal with her awful behaviour. Taking her home sounds excellent. No discussion no argument, just propel to the car and go.

Boundaries everywhere - language behaviour/attitude, keeping room tidy and immediate consequences. I'd keep limiting phone time too.

titchy · 14/11/2022 23:19

Her dad looked like he wanted to cry, and whilst I love him very much he is a bit useless at all of this. He’s never been the disciplinarian, he is anything for a quiet life. He will rarely talk about her behaviour to her. He will either brush it under the carpet and leave me to try and deal with it, or he’ll say to me that he can’t do this anymore, he can’t live with her whilst she is like this and he feels like he doesn’t want to be in our home.

Well your dh is absolutely useless isn't he. You both need to behave like parents. Shroedingers post was spot on.

justabigdisco · 14/11/2022 23:19

Here is your problem “She is permanently on her phone. Laughing, joking on Facetime, scrolling Tick Tock and Snapchat”. This shite messes with their heads. It was the same when they were toddlers.

Ledkr · 14/11/2022 23:19

Back to basics..no phone for a bit and then when she has it back install an app to have some control over when she uses it.
Pick your battles. Leave things such as the room and concentrate on a few things you want to change and tell her the expectations and the consequences for not meeting them. Keep these reasonable and do able.
Dh needs to step-up. It's not fair that it's just you doing the disciplining. You need to come across as a team.
Another good one is when she speaks rudely to you do not respond. Walk away and leave her nasty words hanging in the air for her to deal with. When you shout and lose it you take away.her having to own her words.
If course put yhe consequence into place for rudeness but in a calm measured way.
Listen to yhe audio book Mum what's wrong with you. By Lorraine candy. It will keep you sane.

dropthevipers · 14/11/2022 23:21

CrotchetyQuaver · 14/11/2022 23:18

You and your DH have to present an absolutely united front to her and agree how you deal with her awful behaviour. Taking her home sounds excellent. No discussion no argument, just propel to the car and go.

Boundaries everywhere - language behaviour/attitude, keeping room tidy and immediate consequences. I'd keep limiting phone time too.

This.she needs to learn that shift behaviour leads directly to unpleasant consequences.you hold all the cards here so act like it.

dropthevipers · 14/11/2022 23:22

dropthevipers · 14/11/2022 23:21

This.she needs to learn that shift behaviour leads directly to unpleasant consequences.you hold all the cards here so act like it.

Shit behaviour, bloody auto correct.

NewEnglandDeli · 14/11/2022 23:22

So many replies. Thank you!! I’ll struggle to address all points individually but just to say i’ve always, always, always had routine and boundaries. She thrived when she was younger with that style if parenting but now….. well, not so much. I do know it’s important to keep routine and boundaries going and maybe we’ve let that slip a bit. Consistency, I need to work on. She gets her phone back far too easily.

Her reactions to simple requests are very often extreme. It blindsides me.

That night in the pub was sickening. It truly came from nowhere.

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cestlavielife · 14/11/2022 23:23

I’m no angel. I will shout and berate her for her behaviour, I don’t let it go. I lose my shit over it

You need to stay calm
Read "how to talk so teens will listen"
Stop taking her for dinner
Go for a long walk instead

fUNNYfACE36 · 14/11/2022 23:24

She is overwhelmed with hormones causing moods and feelings she can't manage.That s all.The lovely girl is still in there and will re emerge at the end of this difficult phase.

Thereisnolight · 14/11/2022 23:26

Good advice from @SchrodingersKettle and interesting that you say it resonates with you.

I’d also suggest much stricter limits on phone time. Phone near bedtime on a school night leaves her wound up and possibly stressed by whatever might be happening on social media. Then “real life” (you) intrudes and drags her back to reality and gets the brunt of that stress.

My DC are similar age and so far we’ve just had the eye-rolling 🤞🤞. But fwiw I remember being very emotional at her age or a little older. Getting furiously, screamingly angry with my parents at the slightest thing, then regretting it afterwards, then doing it again. My parents were partly to blame in their different ways but a lot of it was me releasing stress at them that I couldn’t release outside the safety of home. Does she seem regretful when she’s calm? Definitely try to reduce the phone…make her more present when she’s with you…Good luck!

BornBlonde · 14/11/2022 23:27

I do think you both need to remain calm. She absolutely needs to earn privileges back - seeing friends/screens/martial arts

NewEnglandDeli · 14/11/2022 23:29

All of this advice is marvellous. Will take all of it onboard. Thank you so much.

The elaborate theatre/dinners/holidays and breaks together - I know, she’s spoilt. But selfishly I love doing these things with her and was hoping she’d start to feel the same. This kid WILL NOT go for a walk with me. We live near the woods and it’s gorgeous in the Autumn. Sick of asking her. She won’t come anywhere with me other than exciting places and even then it’s a chore.

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DaltonMedallion · 14/11/2022 23:31

I'm sorry but it really doesn't sound like she's had consistent boundaries. She insulted her Dad loudly in a packed pub and he said nothing and looked like he wanted to cry?

You also broke down crying when bollocking her?

You simply cannot do that as she is perceiving weakness from both of you.

From what you've written, it sounds like she is an entitled little madam who needs some severe consequences for her intolerable behaviour.

I'm glad you've taken the phone. Don't back down and her Dad also needs to step up here. You need to be a united (tough) front.

Your daughter does not respect either of you.