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13 year old daughter is out of control - Please help me.

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NewEnglandDeli · 14/11/2022 22:43

Hi,

This may be a long one as I don’t want to drip feed, but I would really appreciate you sticking with this and offering any advice as i’m so lost. I feel like such a failure and I don’t know what on Earth to do. She is ruining my life.

This child comes from a stable, loving home. I kid you not when I tell you she is showered with love. She is told, and shown, often how loved she is. She also wants for nothing, as we are incredibly lucky to have financial stability - Maybe this is the problem. She has too much. I’ll caveat this with saying we are starting to feel the pinch like many, we are both self employed and things haven’t been marvellous this year. We are facing the new year with some worry and trepidation like so many others, but our daughter doesn’t know this. She still has everything she could want or need & it’s always drummed in to her how fortunate she is.

My house is an open home. Her friends are always here, i’m always hosting parties and organising days out with her friends and their parents (We are all good friends as we met when our girls were 2 and they all went through school together) She has a good social life, loves school, is a really popular kid and she also goes to martial arts classes 2 times per week where she’s met some new friends and is excelling. She is brilliant at martial arts and I was hoping it would instil respect and discipline- It hasn’t. She’s going worse as time goes on.

We have a younger son who idolises his big sister. He’s only 4 and she does get jealous of him sometimes but they are very close. It breaks my heart to watch how scared he looks when she kicks off. I also can’t stomach watching him observing her when she swears and speaks to us like shit. This innocent little boy will think it’s ok to talk to his parents this way if this carries on. I cannot allow this.

In Primary school she was a model pupil. Literally the perfect child. She shone academically, was incredibly polite, enthusiastic and in Y6 became Head Girl of the school. I couldn’t have wished
for more. Since starting Secondary school she has slowly changed. She’s in Y8 and each passing week she gets worse. Luckily, her school work isn’t suffering and she treats her teachers with the respect that they deserve but I mean at home, she is becoming unrecognisable.

We expected the usual teen strops, eye rolling, not wanting to “hang around” with us anymore, and it did start off like that, but now she’s become aggressive- slamming doors, threatening violence, swearing, totally overreacting at the slightest request such as tidying her absolute pig sty of a room.

She is permanently on her phone. Laughing, joking on Facetime, scrolling Tick Tock and Snapchat. I took her away in the October half term, just she and I. Her brother and dad stayed home. Her phone remained her constant companion and in the end I had a go at her about putting her bloody phone down and enjoying some quality time with her mother. I’d have killed for that at her age. I came from an unstable home due to a dad that a womaniser and a
criminal and a mum that wasn’t around for
me as much as she should have been (Although she and I are fine now and she openly
admits her past faults) I always swore my kids would feel loved and secure and so “one on one” time is very important to me. I occasionally take her to the theatre, for dinner etc. She never particularly wants to be there but I do it anyway so she knows that I want to spend time with her and that she is so important to me. In a nutshell she certainly does get time and attention.

I’d be here all night if I gave all of the examples of her behaviour but i’ll share 3 incidents this week -

Bonfire night we were at the local pub for dinner before the fireworks display. We were with friends and their daughters who are friends with my 2 children. My husband asked our daughter what she wanted for her dinner and she replied with “Nothing, it’s vile in here”…. 10 minutes later we had all ordered and she looked like she regretted her decision, so he asked her again. Her response this time was a very loud “I said nothing. Shut your face before I smash it in”

To say that I was disgusted, embarrassed and heartbroken was an understatement. The whole pub looked at her. Her dad looked like he wanted to cry, and whilst I love him very much he is a bit useless at all of this. He’s never been the disciplinarian, he is anything for a quiet life. He will rarely talk about her behaviour to her. He will either brush it under the carpet and leave me to try and deal with it, or he’ll say to me that he can’t do this anymore, he can’t live with her whilst she is like this and he feels like he doesn’t want to be in our home.

Second example this week was Friday night. She came home from school with a Monster energy drink (She had it hidden) She knows quite well these aren’t allowed, it’s non negotiable. I found it, asked where it had come from and she said her friend gave it to her. I’m friends with this kid’s
mum and dad and so said i’d call them about it as I know for a fact their child isn’t allowed these drinks. She exploded. Called me and her dad the world’s worst parents, said she hates us, we are “Fucking rats and fucking grasses and she hopes we die” She began screaming and crying like a lunatic. Her little brother’s face :( He was so scared. I can’t continue to let him witness this.

After these 2 incidents I took her phone away: She did appear sorry and more pleasant and so it was reinstated. I’m no angel. I will shout and berate her for her behaviour, I don’t let it go. I lose my shit over it and when I’m calm I talk and try and reason and understand but she cannot answer why she behaves this way. She says she doesn’t know and that she doesn’t think it’s “that bad”

The last example was tonight. Laughing and joking all night on the phone with her friends. I popped my head in to say Goodnight and she said “Where’s my food?” In that awful, disrespectful manner that she so often uses. I asked her to explain what she meant as she had her dinner when she came from school. Her reply “That didn’t fill me up. I thought you were making soup” When I explained i’d made the soup but didn’t think she’d like it, she started screaming that she’s neglected, and that she’ll go and make a “fucking sandwich” She flounced out of her room and then she punched me in the arm with hatred in her face.

I squared up to her, I honestly wanted to slap her face. I have had ENOUGH. All I could think is how fucking DARE SHE!!! It’s getting out of control. Hitting me! Who the hell does she thinks she is. Seriously, she wants for nothing, loved and cared for. Why on earth is she doing this to me? I said to her “You have gone too fucking far now, how dare you”

She laughed in my face and called me a
dickhead. I absolutely lost it, I wooled her by her head to her bedroom, I went nuclear. I took her phone, remote control, everything of value to her. I told her what a disappointment she’d become and that she was a devastatingly bad example to her impressionable little brother. I then started sobbing, begging her to explain why she behaves this way. She couldn’t answer. I told her I hated who she had become because it’s the truth. I cannot stand her anymore. She was warned that this is it. She’s fucked up monumentally. The phone has gone, she is grounded for the foreseeable future, she is confined to her bedroom.

I’m not proud of my actions tonight but I’ve put up with this for so long. My heart is shattered. She’s vile, it’s as simple as that.

I have no idea where i’ve gone so wrong. We’ve always had boundaries, she’d always respected them until this last year. She was a wonderful kid and I was so proud of her but now she is truly unpleasant and i’m left feeling like the world’s
biggest failure as a parent.

Please can anyone offer advice. How the hell do I deal with this? What can I do? Why on Earth has she become so awful?

My only thought is to speak to her martial arts teacher and ask him for help. I literally don’t know what else to do?

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Vaccine001 · 15/11/2022 00:08

You seem controlling to me. You are smothering her. You're a fantastic Mother in many ways but you need to back off a bit with the love bombing. The energy drink thing is OTT. Try therapy for yourself as you seem needy.

NotMeNoNo · 15/11/2022 00:10

There are some good books, Blame my teenage brain, is one.

There is a lot going on in hormones and development. She probably feels a bit stifled with all the head girl/family dinner stuff. She would not be the first teenager to kick back. Most teenage girls have rock bottom self esteem and may either withdraw or act out to cope.

Welcome to having a teenager.

I agree the behaviour is unacceptable but remember you want a functional adult at the end of all this, hopefully still on speaking terms.

AndEverWhoKnew · 15/11/2022 00:12

You're too emotionally invested in your idea of what parenting a teen is like and in seeing her behaviour as either an extension of you, a reflection of you or an attack on you. She is her own person and maybe what she needs from a mother is different from what you wanted.
You need to get your emotions under control. You need to control your language. You need to stop making your younger child the golden child who needs protected from her.
Read 'Get out of my life but first take Alex and me to town'. Choose your battles. Learn to walk away rather than escalate when you're overly emotional.
If you know all her friends and there's no bullying, where is the threatening language coming from? Screaming 'I hate you!' is almost a teen rite of passage. 'I'll smash your face in' - not so much.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Derbee · 15/11/2022 00:12

You’ve had some good advice here. But I would say it’s unacceptable to allow her to continue her martial arts.

I would explain to her that her violence at home means that you are no longer prepared to pay for her to be taught to become an even bigger threat to your home and your family life.

Martial arts are a great form of exercise and discipline, but for someone who cannot control their temper/violence it is weaponising them and it is unsafe.

Thereisnolight · 15/11/2022 00:12

It was a tough evening and you’ll probably feel more hopeful in the morning💐

TheMadGardener · 15/11/2022 00:17

She does sound spoilt and you and your husband desperately need to enforce some boundaries and be tougher rather than crying and despairingly hand-wringing (or in his case putting head in sand).

My DDs are 16 and almost 18 and they wouldn't dare swear at me. Respect is so important.

Consult her head of year, pastoral lead or parent liaison at school. They should be able to hook you up with some parenting classes but your DH needs to be on-board too, he can't just opt out of parenting. Get her martial arts instructor to have a chat with her too, and make sure they know how bad her behaviour has been. Are there any other adults in her life she respects who could talk to her?

Absolutely take her phone away and she can't have friends round/go to friends' houses until her behaviour improves. No theatre trips, no school ski trips or luxury treats, no friends' parties or sleepovers. And don't give privileges back after just a few days of improved behaviour. My main sanction was to turn off the WiFi. They hated it.

If she swears at you or in front of her brother then she needs to apologise - to him, too.

I can't help wondering if she has some underlying jealousy of her brother. Was she an only child until the age of about 9? I knew a lovely boy who suddenly got a sibling when he was 9 and went completely off the rails with jealousy. Maybe you could explore counselling for her (and you) - this is another thing school may have contacts for, though you'd probably have to pay for it or go on a long waiting list.

NewEnglandDeli · 15/11/2022 00:17

@Zrt I think that’s a little unfair. Do you mean my responses to people on this thread, or responses to my DD’s behaviour?

I may very well need a parenting course, i’m clearly crap at parenting a teen which is why i’m here. I’m looking for help and advice, I want to change, I want to do a better job.

I don’t think i’m always the reason it escalates though. I do often pick my battles/ignore.

@Mummyoflittledragon Thank you. All of what you say makes sense. Can I ask though, how
do you get your DD to spend any time with you? I have tried board game night etc… She simply doesn’t want to know. Maybe that will change now that the phone has gone?

A point about the energy drink - That’s non negotiable. She knows that. There’s a boundary for you- NO ENERGY DRINKS and she disregarded that boundary and done it anyway. Her cousin (same age) was taken to hospital after one can of that shit last year. It’s not allowed in my house. My DD lied and said it was bought for her. It wasn’t.

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Vaccine001 · 15/11/2022 00:08

You seem controlling to me. You are smothering her. You're a fantastic Mother in many ways but you need to back off a bit with the love bombing. The energy drink thing is OTT. Try therapy for yourself as you seem needy.

I have had a lot of therapy and agree with this. I had to back off so as not to smother my dd. I do talk to her a lot though and she tells me what is happening at school and with her friends as she knows I’ll not judge or get emotional - in front of her at least. She also knows I have her back (and her friend’s backs if something is happening to them) and I’ll step in but only if really needed.

My dd has come home a couple of times with a monster. I absolutely won’t buy them for her but roll my eyes and tell dd she isn’t allowed them. She also told me the last party they went to, someone found some alcohol so they passed the glass around and everyone took a sip. It’s normal. Forbidden fruit. As someone mentioned, parenting is by consent.

Do you give your dd the respect of privacy for example? Things like knocking on her door when she’s inside her bedroom.

Maray1967 · 15/11/2022 00:22

I am the parent of two boys, one now an adult, one 14. Both of mine do/did martial arts. And if they behaved like your DD that would stop.

She should have been marched out of that restaurant and taken home.

The phone needs to be removed for much longer.

You need to stay calm as you list the basic rules. If she does not comply she has no phone. I have removed my DS’s phone for far less than what your DD has done for a week.

Stop taking her to expensive places - you seem desperate for her to like you and she’s playing you for a fool.

Stay calm and firm. Reassure your younger one that she’s being silly. Tell your DH to get his act together - his response to her words was wholly inadequate.

VillageCottageEmo · 15/11/2022 00:24

What do you mean, you wooled her around the head? Whatever, you manhandled/assaulted the fuck out of her, screamed, shouted, swore.

And you can’t imagine where she gets it from.

NurseBernard · 15/11/2022 00:27

The pub thing sounds awful.

Everyone - literally everyone - would have been wondering why one of you didn’t gather your things and take her straight home.

Yes, that would have been awkward to do, but I’m telling you now - much, much less awkward than just sitting there in aftermath of it, feebly accepting it.

Everyone would have been wondering why one of you didn’t firmly and calmly remove such an embarrassment - for everyone - from the table.

You’ve had some good advice on this thread.

I suggest front-footing a conversation with her (not waiting until after the next incident, when you’re all incandescent with rage) about what’s going on. What your expectations are moving forward, and what’s going to happen if/when she kicks off again (i.e. if you embarrass us in a social situation again, we’ll take you straight home like the toddler you are, etc, etc.).

Be clear. And then follow through, consistently.

And at 13, you do have a say over which social media they have. I certainly have a say over my nearly 14YO’s and 12YO’s.

Tik tok, Instagram, etc - no way.

NewEnglandDeli · 15/11/2022 00:28

@Vaccine001 I probably am too needy and I’m definitely trying to be the mum I wanted and needed when actually, as mentioned by some wise ladies on this thread - She doesn’t need the mother I needed. I’m a bit Beverly Goldberg - Jesus!!

@TheMadGardener Absolutely, respect is so important. But how can I stop her swearing at me? This is a new thing and it’s horrifying me. Underlying jealousy- Yes, absolutely, which is why I make it my mission to have quality one to one time with her and often reassurance her how loved she is. Not quite sure what else to do!

I’m a really shit mum in ways, and this thread has been such an eye opener and incredibly helpful. I don’t say the “shit mum” thing in a “poor me” way. I know it, I own it, I want to change it. I’m also a
damn good mum in ways. I love her fiercely, she has stability, a mum who would drop anything for her, a mum who leads by example when it comes to kindness and doing the right thing. I’m human and I make so many mistakes and I still have a lot to learn about parenting and I think this thread will help me to fix the things that I need to fix. I appreciate every reply.

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VillageCottageEmo · 15/11/2022 00:29

I agree with some PPs. It’s mostly normal teen stuff, with some explosive anger, of which you’ve displayed a worrying amount of yourself on this thread. You have serious anger issues. Your DD is mirroring this back at you.

Mummyoflittledragon · 15/11/2022 00:37

Cross post. How do I get my dd to spend time with me? As she is an only child and does lots of activities, we chat in the car. Car time is actually a very useful and neutral space. If she has friends in the car, I can listen lots too. I also have asked her dance friend (whose parents parent like dh and me) what her parents would say if she did x. Nothing too provocative or embarrassing but it also gives dd an idea that other parents are parenting similarly to me. It’s a subtle way of communicating to dd that I’m doing ok and she’s doing ok. I did this with the drinking alcohol thing as I know more experimentation is just around the corner.

The other time we spend time together is when eating dinner and when she’s just got home from school. I always ask her how her day was. That can elicit a ‘fine’ response so asking what a specific lesson was like or if she has the results of the test she took last week. It can be a bit like blood out of a stone for a while but she’s telling me more things these days. She’s year 10 and I’m seeing little glimmers of hope from time to time as she gets older. She also switched to private and is far happier at school, so that helps a lot. School can be really really tough and like going to a war zone for some.

Daffodilsandtuplips · 15/11/2022 00:39

That night in the restaurant, she should have been taken home immediately and no arguments, no ifs or buts. Preferably by her father. He needs to step up more, he can’t absolve his responsibility to parent her.
She knows how to manipulate you, you take her phone away so she toes the line for a bit, you then soften, thinking she’s learned her lesson so you give it back.
Shes got what she wanted, she did it to get the phone back, and so the cycle starts again.
If she kicks off again in front of your son, you take him from the room and stay with him. Once her audience has gone and she’s shouting at an empty room she’ll run out of steam. Hopefully. If she starts screaming at you, then you walk away.
But your DH needs to be involved.

VillageCottageEmo · 15/11/2022 00:39

You were making soup.

She wasn’t given any.

You can’t see why she was mad.

You squared up to her?! WTF.

Wooled her around the head, whatever that is. Assaulting anyone around the head is vile, let alone your child.

Dragged her upstairs.

Ranted and raved at her whilst removing everything she likes.

Told her you hate her - doesn’t matter what your exact wording was, that’s what she will have heard.

When you’d finished your tirade of mental and physical abuse, you then turned on the waterworks, gaslit her and told her it was her fault because of how she behaves.

Think it’s appropriate to confine her to her bedroom.

Because she was hungry, you didn’t call her down when you’d finished making dinner.

I’ve got no fucking words for you or other PPs that think you’re great. You’re abusive.

NewEnglandDeli · 15/11/2022 00:40

A note about the pub - Her best friend was there. Her best friend’s parents were there, they are our friends. My DD wanted to be there and was having a nice time, which is why her violent outburst was so shocking.

@VillageCottageEmo I mean I actually dragged her by her head to her room. I lost my shit. I’d have enough of her constant barrage of abuse and vile language/awful attitude. I hold my hands up to what I did, but I don’t do this routinely. This was an extreme reaction on my part as someone who has had enough and just snapped. I tell you this though, she shit herself, she piped down and couldn’t believe i’d lost it the way that I did. Maybe that’s the catalyst for her thinking twice about being so disrespectful going forward. Maybe I needed to hit rock bottom for her to realise how her behaviour is affecting me? I’m not proud of losing it. I’ve cried all night in disgust and shame, but i’m human and made a mistake. One that won’t happen again thanks to the advice on this thread.

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Maray1967 · 15/11/2022 00:43

Given the circumstances with her cousin, your rule re the energy drinks is understandable. Again, she’s challenging you. I’d have removed the drink I think but not threatened to phone other parents.

I think the key to this - as it would be to many teens - is removal of the phone. You need to get her off the garbage she is watching. I wouldn’t worry if she is bored or upset - she needs to process this and accept the boundaries. There must be an apology for what she said to her dad and for hitting you.

If behaviour does not improve, and you are sure there is nothing to explain it eg bullying, then there needs to be a removal of further privileges and I would start with the martial arts lessons. No more ££ spent on those until she can show a basic level of respect.

VillageCottageEmo · 15/11/2022 00:46

You’re still wanging on as if she’s skipping school, doing drugs, smashing your house up, stealing, etc.

She’s being a gobshite teenager, which is well within the normal range of behaviour. She’s barely doing anything, other than pulling away from you, again normal.

None of your behaviour is normal.

I’d wager you’ve been physical with her before, and that’s why she punched you. Same for the screaming and swearing.

Because she’s sick of it. Because she’s emulating what you do. Because that’s what they do when they grow up watching an adult lose their shit over the slightest perceived slight.

Why are you happy that she shit herself?! You sound like you’re getting a kick of it.

I hope she tells someone at school, she needs therapy and support and you need an intervention.

NewEnglandDeli · 15/11/2022 00:49

@VillageCottageEmo Cross post. But she HAD eaten. She was given her dinner as soon as she came home from school. The soup wasn’t her dinner, I was just making a batch and it turned out awful and it got binned. I am certain she wouldn’t have enjoyed it. Food wasn’t withheld from her, I didn’t deliberately try and cause an issue with her.

Yes. She punched me in the arm and I squared up to her. You may react differently to violence than me, but anyone hits me and my reaction would be to square up/defend myself. Clearly I need to work on this, if she hits me again then I know I cannot lose my shit - I know I need to make changes and believe me I will, that’s why i’m here.

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NewEnglandDeli · 15/11/2022 00:49

@VillageCottageEmo Cross post. But she HAD eaten. She was given her dinner as soon as she came home from school. The soup wasn’t her dinner, I was just making a batch and it turned out awful and it got binned. I am certain she wouldn’t have enjoyed it. Food wasn’t withheld from her, I didn’t deliberately try and cause an issue with her.

Yes. She punched me in the arm and I squared up to her. You may react differently to violence than me, but anyone hits me and my reaction would be to square up/defend myself. Clearly I need to work on this, if she hits me again then I know I cannot lose my shit - I know I need to make changes and believe me I will, that’s why i’m here.

Not against my child, no. And certainly not a sustained physical and verbal attack against them, which is what you did.

NewEnglandDeli · 15/11/2022 00:59

@VillageCottageEmo You’re wrong. I’ve definitely lost my shit in the recent past with the language/behaviour- but i’m not routinely violent towards my child. Tonight I was, I lost it, but it was a one off.

I’ll reflect on my behaviour because it definitely could have come across as threatening, it’s something i’ll spend time thinking on.

You and I won’t agree and that’s ok, I appreciate your input and will reflect on things. I’m a bit “old school” I suppose and not particularly in to this woke culture of not being able to say boo to your kids. Maybe you think differently? I do know I have some work to do and going forward I need to ensure I stay in control, no doubt about it.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 15/11/2022 01:00

I agree with @VillageCottageEmo squaring up to your dd escalated things. Your job as a parent is to de-escalate so you absolutely had a part in this. A better reaction would have been to stay grounded. If she was asking where her food was even in a disrespectful manner, perhaps she was hungry. Maybe she was also hangry. I think I would have let her eat then talk about what happened after the event.

NewEnglandDeli · 15/11/2022 01:01

I’ll reflect on my past behaviour is what I meant in terms of it coming across as potentially threatening. Not my behaviour tonight, that clearly was threatening as I wooled her by her hair @VillageCottageEmo

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BruceWaynettaSlob · 15/11/2022 01:03

Have you ever had therapy or help for your own anger issues?
Even after dragging her by the hair, you didn't stop and realise you needed to remove yourself from the situation.