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13 year old daughter is out of control - Please help me.

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NewEnglandDeli · 14/11/2022 22:43

Hi,

This may be a long one as I don’t want to drip feed, but I would really appreciate you sticking with this and offering any advice as i’m so lost. I feel like such a failure and I don’t know what on Earth to do. She is ruining my life.

This child comes from a stable, loving home. I kid you not when I tell you she is showered with love. She is told, and shown, often how loved she is. She also wants for nothing, as we are incredibly lucky to have financial stability - Maybe this is the problem. She has too much. I’ll caveat this with saying we are starting to feel the pinch like many, we are both self employed and things haven’t been marvellous this year. We are facing the new year with some worry and trepidation like so many others, but our daughter doesn’t know this. She still has everything she could want or need & it’s always drummed in to her how fortunate she is.

My house is an open home. Her friends are always here, i’m always hosting parties and organising days out with her friends and their parents (We are all good friends as we met when our girls were 2 and they all went through school together) She has a good social life, loves school, is a really popular kid and she also goes to martial arts classes 2 times per week where she’s met some new friends and is excelling. She is brilliant at martial arts and I was hoping it would instil respect and discipline- It hasn’t. She’s going worse as time goes on.

We have a younger son who idolises his big sister. He’s only 4 and she does get jealous of him sometimes but they are very close. It breaks my heart to watch how scared he looks when she kicks off. I also can’t stomach watching him observing her when she swears and speaks to us like shit. This innocent little boy will think it’s ok to talk to his parents this way if this carries on. I cannot allow this.

In Primary school she was a model pupil. Literally the perfect child. She shone academically, was incredibly polite, enthusiastic and in Y6 became Head Girl of the school. I couldn’t have wished
for more. Since starting Secondary school she has slowly changed. She’s in Y8 and each passing week she gets worse. Luckily, her school work isn’t suffering and she treats her teachers with the respect that they deserve but I mean at home, she is becoming unrecognisable.

We expected the usual teen strops, eye rolling, not wanting to “hang around” with us anymore, and it did start off like that, but now she’s become aggressive- slamming doors, threatening violence, swearing, totally overreacting at the slightest request such as tidying her absolute pig sty of a room.

She is permanently on her phone. Laughing, joking on Facetime, scrolling Tick Tock and Snapchat. I took her away in the October half term, just she and I. Her brother and dad stayed home. Her phone remained her constant companion and in the end I had a go at her about putting her bloody phone down and enjoying some quality time with her mother. I’d have killed for that at her age. I came from an unstable home due to a dad that a womaniser and a
criminal and a mum that wasn’t around for
me as much as she should have been (Although she and I are fine now and she openly
admits her past faults) I always swore my kids would feel loved and secure and so “one on one” time is very important to me. I occasionally take her to the theatre, for dinner etc. She never particularly wants to be there but I do it anyway so she knows that I want to spend time with her and that she is so important to me. In a nutshell she certainly does get time and attention.

I’d be here all night if I gave all of the examples of her behaviour but i’ll share 3 incidents this week -

Bonfire night we were at the local pub for dinner before the fireworks display. We were with friends and their daughters who are friends with my 2 children. My husband asked our daughter what she wanted for her dinner and she replied with “Nothing, it’s vile in here”…. 10 minutes later we had all ordered and she looked like she regretted her decision, so he asked her again. Her response this time was a very loud “I said nothing. Shut your face before I smash it in”

To say that I was disgusted, embarrassed and heartbroken was an understatement. The whole pub looked at her. Her dad looked like he wanted to cry, and whilst I love him very much he is a bit useless at all of this. He’s never been the disciplinarian, he is anything for a quiet life. He will rarely talk about her behaviour to her. He will either brush it under the carpet and leave me to try and deal with it, or he’ll say to me that he can’t do this anymore, he can’t live with her whilst she is like this and he feels like he doesn’t want to be in our home.

Second example this week was Friday night. She came home from school with a Monster energy drink (She had it hidden) She knows quite well these aren’t allowed, it’s non negotiable. I found it, asked where it had come from and she said her friend gave it to her. I’m friends with this kid’s
mum and dad and so said i’d call them about it as I know for a fact their child isn’t allowed these drinks. She exploded. Called me and her dad the world’s worst parents, said she hates us, we are “Fucking rats and fucking grasses and she hopes we die” She began screaming and crying like a lunatic. Her little brother’s face :( He was so scared. I can’t continue to let him witness this.

After these 2 incidents I took her phone away: She did appear sorry and more pleasant and so it was reinstated. I’m no angel. I will shout and berate her for her behaviour, I don’t let it go. I lose my shit over it and when I’m calm I talk and try and reason and understand but she cannot answer why she behaves this way. She says she doesn’t know and that she doesn’t think it’s “that bad”

The last example was tonight. Laughing and joking all night on the phone with her friends. I popped my head in to say Goodnight and she said “Where’s my food?” In that awful, disrespectful manner that she so often uses. I asked her to explain what she meant as she had her dinner when she came from school. Her reply “That didn’t fill me up. I thought you were making soup” When I explained i’d made the soup but didn’t think she’d like it, she started screaming that she’s neglected, and that she’ll go and make a “fucking sandwich” She flounced out of her room and then she punched me in the arm with hatred in her face.

I squared up to her, I honestly wanted to slap her face. I have had ENOUGH. All I could think is how fucking DARE SHE!!! It’s getting out of control. Hitting me! Who the hell does she thinks she is. Seriously, she wants for nothing, loved and cared for. Why on earth is she doing this to me? I said to her “You have gone too fucking far now, how dare you”

She laughed in my face and called me a
dickhead. I absolutely lost it, I wooled her by her head to her bedroom, I went nuclear. I took her phone, remote control, everything of value to her. I told her what a disappointment she’d become and that she was a devastatingly bad example to her impressionable little brother. I then started sobbing, begging her to explain why she behaves this way. She couldn’t answer. I told her I hated who she had become because it’s the truth. I cannot stand her anymore. She was warned that this is it. She’s fucked up monumentally. The phone has gone, she is grounded for the foreseeable future, she is confined to her bedroom.

I’m not proud of my actions tonight but I’ve put up with this for so long. My heart is shattered. She’s vile, it’s as simple as that.

I have no idea where i’ve gone so wrong. We’ve always had boundaries, she’d always respected them until this last year. She was a wonderful kid and I was so proud of her but now she is truly unpleasant and i’m left feeling like the world’s
biggest failure as a parent.

Please can anyone offer advice. How the hell do I deal with this? What can I do? Why on Earth has she become so awful?

My only thought is to speak to her martial arts teacher and ask him for help. I literally don’t know what else to do?

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Pieceofpurplesky · 15/11/2022 18:40

*After these 2 incidents I took her phone away: She did appear sorry and more pleasant and so it was reinstated. I’m no angel. I will shout and berate her for her behaviour, I don’t let it go. I lose my shit over it and when I’m calm I talk and try and reason and understand but she cannot answer why she behaves this way.

I squared up to her, I honestly wanted to slap her face. I have had ENOUGH. All I could think is how fucking DARE SHE!!! It’s getting out of control. Hitting me! Who the hell does she thinks she is. Seriously, she wants for nothing, loved and cared for. Why on earth is she doing this to me? I said to her “You have gone too fucking far now, how dare you” *

Can you honestly not see where she gets her behaviour from? Try not to lose your shit with her. You shout, she shouts.

RosettaStormer · 15/11/2022 19:03

LexMitior · 15/11/2022 18:25

I am sure that is likely, but I see children who have such backgrounds fall into bad company because of not knowing this basic respect. Their good performance at school means very little protection in practice.

I’m not sure that manners on the part of the victim matter a whit to a rapist or mugger.

LexMitior · 15/11/2022 19:05

I didn't say it did. My point is that you are better able (though not always) to avoid antisocial people if you understand what manners and respect look like, and you will avoid people who engage in aggressive behaviour.

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LexMitior · 15/11/2022 19:08

And if you are stupid enough to tell people to shut up, or make a threat outside your family, then you will stand a good chance of getting an aggressive response. The fact you are house captain won't matter in the slightest.

Smart people have good manners, end of.

knittedscarf · 15/11/2022 19:40

If you are a bully, then you think manners and respect are things you are owed. But you don't give them yourself.

Such a simple but good explanation of what a bully is.

Subbaxeo · 15/11/2022 20:17

LexMitior · 15/11/2022 19:05

I didn't say it did. My point is that you are better able (though not always) to avoid antisocial people if you understand what manners and respect look like, and you will avoid people who engage in aggressive behaviour.

Respect and good manners are taught in the home-by the adults setting an example. Squaring up to children and threatening to fight them is not setting an example of the behaviour you’d like to see from your child.

PoTayToes80 · 15/11/2022 20:25

@NewEnglandDeli I was your teenage daughter and you sound very similar to my mum and our relationship. The theatre trips, the encouragement, the 1 on 1 time. Your emotional closeness (her sharing things with you) alongside all the anger and volatility. I was also a model child until I hit puberty - bright, engaged, good relationships with parents and siblings. I also hated going for walks despite us living in lovely countryside! (Love hiking now though)

Listen to @Eyesopenwideawake . My mum lost her shit at me multiple times - hurtful things were said, she screamed, she stormed out of the house. As hard as it is, you need to be the adult. My relationship with my mum suffered well into adulthood because of the hurt we caused each other in my teenage years. It was only having my own child that helped me break down the wall I’d built. Don’t get drawn into the power struggle that your daughter has started.

Looking back I genuinely think I might have been clinically depressed. I remember feeling such rage, a feeling of carry around a heavy stone inside me causing pressure and the only way to relieve it was to lash out.

Get your own counselling if you need to. And definitely get your husband to step up. My dad also opted out of the tough stuff.

Good luck..

PoTayToes80 · 15/11/2022 20:30

You're scaring your younger DC. You're showing you're only calm when in tight control of everyone else. And that will make your youngest compliant because they're frightened. I've been that younger DC. You're teaching them a rubbish relationship dynamic and blueprint.

@AndEverWhoKnew is also spot on. My younger sister developed anxiety and obsessive neat freak tendencies because she thought being tidy would mean my mum wouldn’t be angry.

LexMitior · 15/11/2022 20:36

@Subbaxeo - I agree. The particular child in my daughter's class is very likely influenced by her home, but I do not think one or two occasions of a parent losing their temper is the same thing.

Aggressive behaviour to your family (and I don't mean a spot of teenage sarcasm and eyeball rolling) is a sign of some poor boundaries.

VillageCottageEmo · 15/11/2022 20:47

LexMitior · 15/11/2022 19:05

I didn't say it did. My point is that you are better able (though not always) to avoid antisocial people if you understand what manners and respect look like, and you will avoid people who engage in aggressive behaviour.

Unless they’re your mother, then you’re stuck with her bullshit for a considerable amount of time.

PlentyOFool · 15/11/2022 20:47

Subbaxeo · 15/11/2022 12:00

One thing I did find useful during the teen years was stopping asking them to apologise. You end up in an entrenched situation because you want them to say sorry-it certain,y won’t be a sincere apology and therefore worthless-and having a standoff with a stubborn teen over something which is worthless is pointless. If you start conversations with criticism of their behaviour, it doesn’t make them want to engage. Imagine how you would feel if a person you were close to were doing this-wouldn’t it make you want to dig your heels in or be rude? I did it when mine were teens and got nowhere. Possibly try ignoring the phone use and positively engaging in other ways?

This is so, so true. I learned that the hard way myself, it's nothing more than an empty, snarled "Sorry", and you feel absolutely no better off for having wrung it out of them. Penny didn't drop until DC2 mind Blush

CrimboLimbo · 15/11/2022 22:36

I’m quite shocked by the violence, if I’m honest. Mainly because you sound a lot like my mum when I was a teen. She was volatile, shouty, and occasionally violent (she’d flat out deny it now, right enough). And I remember it clearly.

didn’t think much of it till I had my own girls. Now, it makes me furious and I can’t understand why or how she could say/do some of the shit she did. I really wasn’t a bad teen. I was a totally bog standard teen but she made out like I was the devil incarnate sometimes. She micromanaged every single aspect of my life and couldn’t handle it when I pushed back.

FrothingMyMilk · 19/11/2022 20:39

This is such a disturbing thread to read. The OP seems to have taken some of the advice on board but @NewEnglandDeli how have things been for you and your dd?

NewEnglandDeli · 19/11/2022 21:52

@FrothingMyMilk So, so, so much better. Ordered a couple of the books mentioned on here (still awaiting their arrival)

I’ve taken everything on board and pledged to change. I’m accountable for a lot of this - not all, but a lot.

I have lots of work to do on myself, that’s for sure.

We are working on consistent boundaries and i’ve made clear what I expect from her and what the consequences will be if she continues as she has been.

I’ll be honest - i’m not in to the very “softly softly” approach. I think at times she will need to be put in her place. I’m her mother, she’s a child, and I won’t put up with blatant disrespect, but I certainly won’t ever lay my hands on her again.

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Hereweare12111 · 19/11/2022 23:21

I went completely off the rails at that age due to being badly bullied. I was vile to my parents. I was drinking ,smoking weed and having sex , also self harming ,could she be doing any of that ? She will come out the other side, it’s not your fault. Take the phone away and try and find out what’s really causing her to be so angry she’s obviously distressed about something. Can you look through her phone ?

Hangingoninthere111 · 27/04/2024 10:23

I know this was written a couple of years ago but it came up on my search! Feels like I wrote it myself! Did you manage to get your teens behaviour improved? Is there hope for us yet! You might not see this but if you do would love to hear how your getting on xx

Italianodreams · 16/12/2024 15:39

Reading your post was so helpful! Refreshing because it is honest, raw and I can literally feel your desperation and pain. Going through same with me 16 year old DD. Have things improved for you, if so, what steps did you take? I have confiscated phone atm - 11 hours daily use in middle of GCSE mocks. Excess social media (SnapChat & TikTok) definitely effects mood. As do those cursed energy drinks, which I feel should be banned. Poison & neurological issues in a can!

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