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13 year old daughter is out of control - Please help me.

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NewEnglandDeli · 14/11/2022 22:43

Hi,

This may be a long one as I don’t want to drip feed, but I would really appreciate you sticking with this and offering any advice as i’m so lost. I feel like such a failure and I don’t know what on Earth to do. She is ruining my life.

This child comes from a stable, loving home. I kid you not when I tell you she is showered with love. She is told, and shown, often how loved she is. She also wants for nothing, as we are incredibly lucky to have financial stability - Maybe this is the problem. She has too much. I’ll caveat this with saying we are starting to feel the pinch like many, we are both self employed and things haven’t been marvellous this year. We are facing the new year with some worry and trepidation like so many others, but our daughter doesn’t know this. She still has everything she could want or need & it’s always drummed in to her how fortunate she is.

My house is an open home. Her friends are always here, i’m always hosting parties and organising days out with her friends and their parents (We are all good friends as we met when our girls were 2 and they all went through school together) She has a good social life, loves school, is a really popular kid and she also goes to martial arts classes 2 times per week where she’s met some new friends and is excelling. She is brilliant at martial arts and I was hoping it would instil respect and discipline- It hasn’t. She’s going worse as time goes on.

We have a younger son who idolises his big sister. He’s only 4 and she does get jealous of him sometimes but they are very close. It breaks my heart to watch how scared he looks when she kicks off. I also can’t stomach watching him observing her when she swears and speaks to us like shit. This innocent little boy will think it’s ok to talk to his parents this way if this carries on. I cannot allow this.

In Primary school she was a model pupil. Literally the perfect child. She shone academically, was incredibly polite, enthusiastic and in Y6 became Head Girl of the school. I couldn’t have wished
for more. Since starting Secondary school she has slowly changed. She’s in Y8 and each passing week she gets worse. Luckily, her school work isn’t suffering and she treats her teachers with the respect that they deserve but I mean at home, she is becoming unrecognisable.

We expected the usual teen strops, eye rolling, not wanting to “hang around” with us anymore, and it did start off like that, but now she’s become aggressive- slamming doors, threatening violence, swearing, totally overreacting at the slightest request such as tidying her absolute pig sty of a room.

She is permanently on her phone. Laughing, joking on Facetime, scrolling Tick Tock and Snapchat. I took her away in the October half term, just she and I. Her brother and dad stayed home. Her phone remained her constant companion and in the end I had a go at her about putting her bloody phone down and enjoying some quality time with her mother. I’d have killed for that at her age. I came from an unstable home due to a dad that a womaniser and a
criminal and a mum that wasn’t around for
me as much as she should have been (Although she and I are fine now and she openly
admits her past faults) I always swore my kids would feel loved and secure and so “one on one” time is very important to me. I occasionally take her to the theatre, for dinner etc. She never particularly wants to be there but I do it anyway so she knows that I want to spend time with her and that she is so important to me. In a nutshell she certainly does get time and attention.

I’d be here all night if I gave all of the examples of her behaviour but i’ll share 3 incidents this week -

Bonfire night we were at the local pub for dinner before the fireworks display. We were with friends and their daughters who are friends with my 2 children. My husband asked our daughter what she wanted for her dinner and she replied with “Nothing, it’s vile in here”…. 10 minutes later we had all ordered and she looked like she regretted her decision, so he asked her again. Her response this time was a very loud “I said nothing. Shut your face before I smash it in”

To say that I was disgusted, embarrassed and heartbroken was an understatement. The whole pub looked at her. Her dad looked like he wanted to cry, and whilst I love him very much he is a bit useless at all of this. He’s never been the disciplinarian, he is anything for a quiet life. He will rarely talk about her behaviour to her. He will either brush it under the carpet and leave me to try and deal with it, or he’ll say to me that he can’t do this anymore, he can’t live with her whilst she is like this and he feels like he doesn’t want to be in our home.

Second example this week was Friday night. She came home from school with a Monster energy drink (She had it hidden) She knows quite well these aren’t allowed, it’s non negotiable. I found it, asked where it had come from and she said her friend gave it to her. I’m friends with this kid’s
mum and dad and so said i’d call them about it as I know for a fact their child isn’t allowed these drinks. She exploded. Called me and her dad the world’s worst parents, said she hates us, we are “Fucking rats and fucking grasses and she hopes we die” She began screaming and crying like a lunatic. Her little brother’s face :( He was so scared. I can’t continue to let him witness this.

After these 2 incidents I took her phone away: She did appear sorry and more pleasant and so it was reinstated. I’m no angel. I will shout and berate her for her behaviour, I don’t let it go. I lose my shit over it and when I’m calm I talk and try and reason and understand but she cannot answer why she behaves this way. She says she doesn’t know and that she doesn’t think it’s “that bad”

The last example was tonight. Laughing and joking all night on the phone with her friends. I popped my head in to say Goodnight and she said “Where’s my food?” In that awful, disrespectful manner that she so often uses. I asked her to explain what she meant as she had her dinner when she came from school. Her reply “That didn’t fill me up. I thought you were making soup” When I explained i’d made the soup but didn’t think she’d like it, she started screaming that she’s neglected, and that she’ll go and make a “fucking sandwich” She flounced out of her room and then she punched me in the arm with hatred in her face.

I squared up to her, I honestly wanted to slap her face. I have had ENOUGH. All I could think is how fucking DARE SHE!!! It’s getting out of control. Hitting me! Who the hell does she thinks she is. Seriously, she wants for nothing, loved and cared for. Why on earth is she doing this to me? I said to her “You have gone too fucking far now, how dare you”

She laughed in my face and called me a
dickhead. I absolutely lost it, I wooled her by her head to her bedroom, I went nuclear. I took her phone, remote control, everything of value to her. I told her what a disappointment she’d become and that she was a devastatingly bad example to her impressionable little brother. I then started sobbing, begging her to explain why she behaves this way. She couldn’t answer. I told her I hated who she had become because it’s the truth. I cannot stand her anymore. She was warned that this is it. She’s fucked up monumentally. The phone has gone, she is grounded for the foreseeable future, she is confined to her bedroom.

I’m not proud of my actions tonight but I’ve put up with this for so long. My heart is shattered. She’s vile, it’s as simple as that.

I have no idea where i’ve gone so wrong. We’ve always had boundaries, she’d always respected them until this last year. She was a wonderful kid and I was so proud of her but now she is truly unpleasant and i’m left feeling like the world’s
biggest failure as a parent.

Please can anyone offer advice. How the hell do I deal with this? What can I do? Why on Earth has she become so awful?

My only thought is to speak to her martial arts teacher and ask him for help. I literally don’t know what else to do?

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StopGo · 15/11/2022 03:06

If the OP had posted that her H/P had lost his temper with her, verbally abused her, squared up to her and pulled her from one location to another by the hair the advice on here would be to call the police and LTB.

Mother assaults her child and she's a great parent?

shreddiesandmilk · 15/11/2022 03:18

@StopGo I was just about to say the same thing. This thread is absolutely bonkers Shock

cantley · 15/11/2022 03:38

Luredbyapomegranate · 15/11/2022 01:33

Oh and the PP saying she's not your mate is right - she's not.

She will not want to hang out with you for a good few years. It's a biological thing - they have to separate from their parents to become adults themselves. So do both of you a favour and stop expecting that.

My love, can I recommend family therapy / professional help to sort out this situation.

You're not her friend.
She still needs boundaries.
She can't abuse you.
No one can resort to violence.
Teenagers CANNOT be permitted to control a family which is what yours is doing now. They are terrified by the power they wield, you can't weaken, she doesn't really want to be like this so correct the behaviour. You're the parent, you be in charge, don't let her do it.
Teenagers can be awful but this is another level.
Wishing you luck.

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AuntieEntity · 15/11/2022 04:02

I haven't RTFT but have read OPs responses. She grabbed her daughter BY HER HEAD and pulled her into her bedroom. I get it, kids are frustrating, but you've just assaulted your daughter, and you definitely lost any iota of sympathy I had for you when you talked about not liking this "woke" society.

You sound like my DM, who was perfectly happy with us kids when we were small and could be dominated (your comment about silencing your DD with a look was telling) but was often to be found slapping us, swearing and screaming at us when we started to get a bit of autonomy.

You've spoiled your daughter because you wanted to be the mother you never had and now she has no respect for you, you're grabbing her by the head and squaring up to her.

PlentyOFool · 15/11/2022 04:07

k1233 · 15/11/2022 02:41

I’m no angel. I will shout and berate her for her behaviour, I don’t let it go. I lose my shit over it and when I’m calm I talk and try and reason and understand but she cannot answer why she behaves this way. She says she doesn’t know and that she doesn’t think it’s “that bad”

I told her I hated who she had become because it’s the truth. I cannot stand her anymore.

from your original post these comments give me much concern than you hauling her by her hair. Words can never be taken back. Saying sorry can't make you unhear them and can't erase the memory and emotions they triggered.

You need to stop losing your shit and yelling at her. Badgering her afterwards as to why she did and did something is also not going to work.

What you might be able to do is sit down quietly and discuss what has happened. You both went too far and physical violence is always unacceptable. You said she used to be a nice kid, so that's still there somewhere. Moving forward you need to be very clear on expectations of behaviour. It is expected that all family members speak to each other respectfully. I'd be discussing with the three of you, your DH has to be part of it. Some things are non negotiable but others can be moveable as she gets more independent.

FFS, of course words can be taken back. I had some humdingers with my mom, caused by my horrible behaviour, my teen hormonal surges clashed furiously with her menopause and what I learned later, was a pretty stressful time financially/extended family. It was a shit show. But the saving grace for her was that I was proper scared of my dad. He could make my innards liquify in fear with one look. Neither of them ever lifted a finger I hasten to add!

Sounds like she is trying to see how far she could go - which appears to be pretty bloody far now it's escalated to physical abuse - especially because your husband is so wet. The hierarchy in your house needs a reboot.

The good news is my parents, siblings and I have had an amazing relationship all our lives bar those few rocky years when I was 13-16, and even then it wasn't all bad. We were close then, and only got closer since. Teens 'dirty the nest' in order to leave, especially if the relationship feels co-dependent to them.

Your post reminded me of the time my DD was once very rude to me in a restaurant in front of others, so I know full well how extremely embarrassing and awkward it is. My DH wasn't there, she wouldn't have dared tbh. So I stood up, made my excuses, marched her out without a word, drove her home, marched her up to her bedroom, took her phone, told her I would see her in the morning and I was sure the dog would enjoy her burger and turned out the lights. The 'woe is me' sobs were heart wrenching, but you can't give an inch in that kind of situation. It's only making a rod for your own back. I returned to the restaurant, apologised for the 'scene', and we went on to make the best of it. I was honestly shaking with rage and I don't know how I bit my tongue. Actually giving her burger to the dog helped. Greatest night of his life Grin

Hang in there OP. Do the work, sort your DH out. I agree with others about letting her know removing her from MMA is now an option (but brace yourself!). Some ego deflating and natural consequences, along with your DH growing a spine would go a long way to bringing her back to herself I reckon. Good luck!

Undertheoldlindentree · 15/11/2022 04:30

Sorry, things are as stressfull as this for you all, DD included. I wonder if she may be feeling pretty wretched inside when she says and does these things. It's known that teens push and test the people they are most secure with the hardest. So her vile hehaviour to you is how she's expressing feelings that are welling up and she dare not risk showing elsewhere.

When PP have mentioned bullying, I think you've responded very much about the physical:

"Bullying - I wouldn’t know. I mean kids can be cruel, and of course social media pressure etc… But she’s a fairly confident kid who can physically defend herself. She studied karate from age 6, and now does mixed martial arts. I’ve seen what she can do and I think in a fight she’d come out on top with most kids her age. I don’t think kids want to mess with her as all of her friends know that she’s trained in self defence."

That's not how I recognise bullying at secondary school. Teen girls do most harm to to each other mentally and can be unbelievably cutting and devious without raising a finger. Girls who've been firm friends all through primary can suddenly turn against each other, exclude someone from the group, torment on social media etc. And they keep it well hidden. I only found out a year later, that my seemingly popular and sociable daughter was being tormented by friends and vomiting with anxiety before and throughout the school day, desperately trying to stay within the friendship group that was doing the harm and masking it all in front of parents and teachers.

My feeling is your DD is feeling pretty wretched about something. Taking it out on you is self-affirming . She'll find it hard to talk to you directly, but school pickup, long car drives are often good for less confrontational time spent together. Something about having their own music choices on the radio, no eye-contact makes it easier for natural conversations and listening opportunities to crop up. I would say 95% of what I know about my children as teens has come from car journeys.

Remember too that not everything has or needs to have, a solution. All my DC say I try too hard to solve their problems. Sometimes it's just listening, supporting where you can, and helping them stand back and reflect that the people being mean to them are likely to be insecure and feeling bad too. It's a maelstrom to be navigated, but very gradually does get better with time.

cantley · 15/11/2022 04:42

@Undertheoldlindentree
The not trying to solve their problems and just to shut up and listen while they talk is one of the hardest lessons as I learned as a parent of teens and now young adults.
As parents we're so used to helicoptering but you have to stand back - not talking about a bullying situation, obviously.
Parents constantly " smoothing the way" for them means they feel they're incapable of working things out for themselves.

Undertheoldlindentree · 15/11/2022 04:52

A very good point @Cantley.

ThreeLocusts · 15/11/2022 05:11

Hi OP, sounds a bit like my own teen. Could it be that you come across to her as needy? I sometimes think that sets my daughter off. Don't insist on doing mother/daughter stuff if she's not feeling it.

And don't shout at or manhandle her - better to walk away. Your dh needs to step up but don't fight over this in front of her.

We've talked to our youngest about 'stroppy teenagers' and it's reassured him, I think. It's all f.ing hard though isn't it.

Snnowflake · 15/11/2022 05:16

I think being the light of her DPs life, the Star of the martial arts group, the fun witty girl on FB, TikTok or whatever she is on, the clever pupil the amazing big sis is stressing her out and the only people she can take it out on is the ones who give her unconditional love or you abd DH.

Her life sounds exhausting. All that ‘fun’. Does she ever have a down time. Is she ever allowed to be grumpy and bored?

Set boundaries but Teenage is a stressful time of life. Give her some quiet time. And some phone free time.

LemonBounce · 15/11/2022 05:24

It sounds like the special time together for one on one time is things you enjoy and what she might choose? Is this really spoiling her or is it time you are valuing yourself?
In my experience extreme anger in teenagers often comes from a place of sadness - either the challenges of becoming a teenager or bullying. Your support is key and your reactions sound too much. You are the adult here. Thinking that she's ruining everything your dh saying he doesn't want to live with her and viewing her as damaging to her brother - she is probably feeling the weight of this too. Growing up is tough and spoiling her is not a trip to the theatre it's rules but knowing you love her and have patience. If you meet anger with anger she won't open up.

Venetiaparties · 15/11/2022 06:12

“Nothing, it’s vile in here

You should have stood up, ended the evening and taken her home immediately. Yes embarrassed her and the phone would be gone, along with any other treats.

There has to be consistent and painful consequences for swearing, slamming doors and being rude. She is pushing your boundaries to see how far she can go before you snap.

Your job is to stand firm with her and make sure she learns that she can not behave like this, or more of the same will follow. It is not too late.

When our teens were rude:

Wifi goes off, and stays off
Phones and gadgets are confiscated sometimes for days on end
Lifts and days out are cancelled
The house is no longer open to friends
If dinners are not eaten, bread and cereal is available
I outline how their behaviour makes me feel as a person

Venetiaparties · 15/11/2022 06:15

I am sorry I really disagree that your dd needs MORE fawning and special time. People need to know where the line is - what is acceptable and what isn't - your dd included.

liveforsummer · 15/11/2022 06:16

She's behaving like a brat yes, and some of the things you describe are totally unacceptable but the language you use isn't proportionate imo. I was expecting far far worse from your intro. I'd also be looking at more natural consequences. Phone confiscation for phone related incidents, being taken home of rude in public, quiet confiscation of energy drink - no need for all the accompanying drama! If she threatens or follows through with violence then getting her MA teacher to have a word in the first instance and stopping the lessons for a time if need be. She can't be trusted with those skills if she's hitting. If her room is a pig sty then that's up to her but her friends can't come round til she's cleaned up a bit. You need to back off a bit, she doesn't need all these trips out and bonding - it's not working anyway. If she asks for them though she needs to earn it.
You losing your shit, which you admit to doing on more than one occasion is just confirming to her that that is what you do when you're feeling stressed and angry. It would be no surprise if it escalates after seeing that from you. I'm shocked you think you completely losing it then sobbing and begging has actually worked. She's had a shock so has gone temporarily quiet but it's likely to be modelled on future. Stop taking the words to heart, stay calm, just walk away if she starts. With the soup I'd have reminded her that I'd not be bringing her anything while she talks to me like that (again natural consequences- you need to be polite if you want someone to do something for you), she's welcome to some but it's not very nice unfortunately. In her teenage head the way you worded it - telling her how she'd feel, it got her back up. I agree some therapy for your last to try and stop you overcompensating and also about regulating your own responses wouldn't go amiss

2greenroses · 15/11/2022 06:28

Axahooxa · 14/11/2022 23:12

Honestly- this isn’t out of the realms of normal teenage behaviour, difficult as it is to cope with. Does she have periods? PMT?

She’s not wicked. She’s an adolescent. And it’s hard parenting teensgers- it can bring intense challenges.

What has helped me: learning as much as possible about teenagers and adolescent behaviour. Doing everything I can to remain calm and not losing the plot. Having a hands-off rule: do not touch/push her into her room- you’ll risk hurting her when you’re furious (and you will be- often).

I disagree, this is totally outside the realms of normal teenage behaviour - unbelievably vile

What happened in the restaurant? She needed to be taken straight home and sent to her room, with no shouting, no tech, and no negotiation.

You don't sob in front of a child and beg them to tell them why they are behaving like that. Children don't know why, its a pointless question. Anyway, the unfashionable and "non-woke" answer is because they enjoy it, so you prevent the behaviour by making sure the consequences are NOT enjoyable

AS this behaviour in the restaurant happened in the evening, I would have just put her in her room and left her until the next morning, and had a conversation then. It isn't a negotiation, it isn't asking them the pointless question "why", it is simply to inform them what the rules and expectations are and what the consequences are for not keeping to them

ButterCrackers · 15/11/2022 06:32

She’s a child and has to behave properly to you and others. Taking her phone and other items away is a good as action as it focuses her onto her immediate surroundings. Talk to her sport teacher and school. I’d say to also talk to your GP about her health and get a mental health assessment done. Have a complete blood test to check her hormone levels in case this is to blame for her moods. You are doing your best. Set your boundaries and stick to them.

WonderingWanda · 15/11/2022 06:35

I haven't read all the responses but you've got some good advice. The things that stood out for me were firstly she seems to have already got totally unfiltered access to the internet (Snapchat till tok etc). They are both dreadful in the hands of teens. No screen time limits or rules around phone use e.g not at the dinner table. And the second thing is you letting your anger and frustration build up and 'going nuclear' at her. This never works with anyone, especially children or teenagers because it will just trigger a fight or flight response. You need to walk away when that angry and have better more productive conversations when calm. When she is rude consequences could be, go to your room, grounding, phone confiscation etc After the event you have the conversation about what she did wrong and get the apology from her. You establish family rules and give her more boundaries if needed. Stop spoiling her and stop going nuclear. Teenagers are just overgrown toddlers, they can't control their emotional reactions and need you to be the calm and reasonable one. Keep your tone of voice boring 'Dc that's incredibly rude and I would like you to go to your room, we will discuss it later'. If she says hateful things don't give the reaction she wants which is to shout back.

GhastlyBoo · 15/11/2022 06:37

This situation sounds incredibly difficult.

It's such a shame that you resulted in being violent back to your dd. She may now see it as ok to go around hitting you all. Saying something along the lines of ' well mum thinks it's ok to haul me by the hair '. She will no doubt use this against you.

You and her dad both need to be firmer. When you say no phone for a week, go through with it. Even if she's begging and promises to be nicer to you.

I have been the child, like your ds, who has to hear all the threats and abuse from an older sibling. It's extremely unsettling.

Wishing you all the best!

xxcatcatcatxx · 15/11/2022 06:38

Poor kid, she sounds like she’s trying to fit in with the cool kid behaviour to be honest. Has she made any “popular” friends. This does sound a lot like how the popular (by that I mean terrifying) kids used to behave, could she be mirroring this behaviour from school? xxx

NotBuyingIt9 · 15/11/2022 06:43

Do you think it might be your reaction to your daughter's behaviour that might be adding significantly to the problems with your 4-year-old and your DH? My mother used to shout and rage and whenever anyone "poked the bear" we were all just nervously waiting for her reaction. This isn't a safe or happy home for anyone who lives in it. I hope this isn't real tbh.

BeanieTeen · 15/11/2022 06:44

She’s being a hormonal teenager and you are taking it all way too personally. You are putting your feelings at the forefront of it all, and I can understand you are upset, but I do think you need to at least outwardly grow a bit of a thicker skin to it all. The phone goes. Set stronger and more immediate and stronger boundaries around rudeness without resorting to a ‘woe is me’ display.

xxcatcatcatxx · 15/11/2022 06:50

Also sorry I always forget points - not sure if you do/ if it would even be a good idea but do you let her watch MMA (UFC) they show it on BT Sports, it might give her an idea of what working and focussing on martial arts might be able to bring her and how far girls can go in the sport if she likes it and wants to excel. It can get very violent though so I’m unsure if it may have the opposite affect xxx

taliaG · 15/11/2022 06:56

I haven't RTFT but I have some reflections - I was a model primary kid who turned into a difficult teen. It was hormones, peer influences and the process of growing up. I turned back into a civilised human again. My parents hadn't done anything wrong and neither have you. This will pass.

Two book recommendations. How to talk helps with ways to deal with her misbehaviour.

Self-compassion will help with maintaining your own composure and reducing your feelings of anger at her behaviour.

13 year old daughter is out of control  - Please help me.
13 year old daughter is out of control  - Please help me.
DoctorMartin · 15/11/2022 06:58

Just wanted to echo @prettylittlethingss my DD was very similar from age 11-16. We had some horrific days and nights that sound very reminiscent. Everything calmed down eventually and she is a lovely, lovely girl.

However, aged 20 DD has just been diagnosed as having ADHD and the psychologist also said he thinks she has ASD too.

We had literally no idea. She masked so successfully, though looking back the signs were there.
She was also sporty as a teen spending hours a week swim training. I do wonder if that routine helped her mask. She was only ever badly behaved with family - never at school.

YenneferOfVengabus · 15/11/2022 07:01

You mention that she respects her teachers - why do you think that is? Do you think they would tolerate her saying she'd smash their fucking face in? Do you think they would cry? Absolutely not.
Children thrive with boundaries. If there are no boundaries, they will continue to push and spiral out of control. Children feel safe if they know, without fail, what you and your husband will tolerate and how you will behave. If she doesn't know what the outcome will be, she knows she can chance swearing at you and assaulting you and she might just get away with it!
You need to be really clear about what your consequences are and both of you need to stick to them, or she will continue to treat you this way or worse. There is absolutely no need to reward a child with theatre trips, trips away and dinners out if they are physically assaulting you.
Decide how long you're keeping her phone for and do it; do not let her 'earn' it back early. If she misbehaves during that time period, extend it.
When she is being vile, explain what she has done then remove her from the situation.
Tell her exactly what consequence she will face and for how long.
Do not engage in arguments about it. Just do it.
Tell your husband he must do the same, he will never have a quiet life if he allows this behaviour without challenging it.