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paedophile on our street!

173 replies

katierocket · 10/09/2003 19:03

one of my neighbours knocked on the door this afternoon to tell me that the guy that lives 5 doors from us has just been convicted of downloading child porn. He got a fine, suspended sentence and counselling. She wasn't being a vigilante but just said she thought those with parents might want to know. She has a 5 yr old and 7 yr old and lives next door but one to him. I felt really sorry for her because she was saying how his house overlooks their back yard and she's worried because they were running round in the nude in the paddling pool during the summer.

It might my heart drop when I heard it. I've never actually seen him and don't intend to start throwing eggs or shouting at him even if I do see him but it is frightening to think it can be so close to home.

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singingmum · 11/09/2003 17:29

Well said doormat.Have to agree.
As for telling children have warned my 9yr old about nasty people who do bad things and will elaborate if he asks.Also plan on finding martial arts class to place both him and 3yr old daughter in so that if anyone ever try's anything they can defend themselves.Harsh but neccesary as I won't have their lives ruined but at same time don't wish to keep them caged so to speak.

katierocket · 11/09/2003 17:33

although I absolutely understand the pure anger and hate that comes out when topics like this are discussed it does scare me as I feel it can so easily tip into hysteria and then 'mob mentality'.
I think Geogina makes some good points and feel like I've kind of started an argument that could get more and more heated.
I just hope man on street stays in his house and away from any children and more importantly that the authorities are monintoring him

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doormat · 11/09/2003 17:37

Singingmum no-one can blame you for wanting your children to learn self-defence. I think that is an excellent idea. Why cant that be part of the school cirriculum? I cant even begin to know your experiences as I have never been abused. My friend has and I have seen the heartache. All I can say is that you and Angiel views should be taken seriosly as you have both experienced this. At least you are not hiding behind a name.
I am sorry if I am not saying this right but hope you understand what I am saying.

doormat · 11/09/2003 17:38

Katierocket who is arguing, we are debating.

singingmum · 11/09/2003 17:39

Katierocket the monitoring or rather lack of it is a big problem. My uncle was let out recently and is now back in again.They put him in some form of hostel where they were supposed to monitor him but they raided the place for some reason and found a load of child porn on the hostel computers needles to say he was involved and has been put back in aplace where he will be put with others of his kind and they will have a great time together and plan how they will commit the offence again.It may seem cynical but I happen to know that it's true.My u is homosexual and when in prison has admitted that he finds a fellow and has a good time.This is not punishment to me.

ANGELMOTHER · 11/09/2003 17:42

Thank god so many came on and say the same as me. Let us not forget that despite any supposed civilised world that we live in, we are at heart animals and as mothers who have given birth, we must know this even more. All animals will do what needs be to protect their young and simply because our civilised society dictates that we must exercise restraint, it does not necessarily follow that we feel the same.

There is a balance which must be drawn and we must at some point trust in the law to protect all of us but with such an evident imbalance in the justice system and the inexplicable sentences which some crimes receive, then we naturally feel that the onus lies with us "to serve and protect" our children.

Until some scientist comes forward with an explanation and reasonable means of dealing with this sick illness (and even then) parents will in my opinion be entitled to defend their childrens innocence. This is what we are expected to do afterall.......it is our job.

A childs innocence is the most precious gift to society and the most privelidged thing to experience firsthand. Anyone who exploits that deserves everything they get.

singingmum · 11/09/2003 17:43

Doormat I do understand.
My children are Home Educated so would not learn in school even if was on curriculum however I agree that it should be.Maybe we should write to Tony Blair and the rest of the government and suggest it it would certainly cut crimes such as child abuse and rape.The sun are running a campaign to get that scottish judge sacked I'm going to sign there petition as it's people like him that allow these horrendous things to continue

doormat · 11/09/2003 17:44

Well said angelmother

katierocket · 11/09/2003 17:48

doormat re: debating not arguing - fair point.

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wiltshire · 11/09/2003 22:41

I will just add one thing.

My family (mother,father,sister,etc) kept something from me in the early 90's. It was the fact that my nephew had been abused for four years by guess what 'a family friend'. A friend that had been at my house and I had gone out with for a laugh. He was Gay after all.

The reasoning for keeping this from me until the court day was that my family knew that I would get a gun (I still would) and shoot the fucker. This would ruin the court case and stop my nephew having his say (which was aquitted).

Since then the man is no longer with us.

I never thought I would post this, but am glad I did.

marthamoo · 11/09/2003 22:43

I would hate to have a paedophile living in my street. I would also hate to have my children witness the kind of hate campaign and mob violence that can ensue when a paedophile is outed.

It is simply not possible to eliminate paedophiles and child pornographers from our society. They have always been there. Take one away (jail them, kill them, cut their goolies off - as suggested on another thread, stone them and drive them from the area) and another one is there in the wings waiting.

A paedophile in our area was recently sentenced to 7 years for abuse against children dating back to the early 80s. His house was on the same road as ds1's primary school. I had a few sleepless nights imagining him watching the children - my son? - in the playground every day.

But if I dwell too long on all the dangers that are out there waiting for my kids - paedophiles, rapists, gangs of drunk lads ready to pick a fight with anyone, muggers, reckless and drunk drivers, terrorist attacks, drugs, alcohol...I would never let either of them out of the house.

I don't have an answer other than to be ever vigilant and try and educate my children so they are aware of the dangers.

It occurred to me recently that while, thanks to the internet, the amount of horrific child pornography has increased both in volume and sheer accessibility, the ability of people to actually get their hands on a child must have decreased. We are so aware these days of the dangers. When I was a child, we had an old man as a next door neighbour - he lived alone and had never married. We used to play in his garden and pop in and out of his house - he was like a Grandad to us. My next door neighbours now are a lovely retired couple, they have two grown up children, and a 5 year old granddaughter they both dote on. When my neighbour plays with his granddaughter in the garden I sometimes watch out of the window and smile at the amount of fun they have together. I don't for one second imagine that he would ever behave untowardly towards any child. Equally though, I would not let either of my children spend time with him alone. I just wouldn't. It's very sad that I feel like that but surely most parents these days are super-aware of potential danger.

What I'm trying to say, I guess, is that I don't need to know if a paedophile is living in my immediate vicinity..because I already assume he is.

Btw, I am not some bleeding heart liberal, if anyone ever laid a finger on my children I would tear them limb from limb...but that wouldn't make it not have happened, would it?

RockingRosebud · 11/09/2003 22:46

You have the upper hand you know where this man is, we don't we could all have nutters in our street without us knowing.

It reminds me years ago when I worked at a dentists and all the Aids awareness came about. I asked my boss about treating someone with Aids and he told me we have to treat everyone as if they have Aids.

The person that tells us they have it is the one we will be the safest with, it's those we don't know about that we should worry about.

fio2 · 11/09/2003 22:53

Know what you mean RRR my mum always instilled me to be aids aware, She kept going on about whether or not the dentist changed his gloves everytime. She frightened me that much I asked him, when I was only 14!, if he would change his gloves in front of me cos I was worried about aids. Must say he didnt bat an eyelid. I a not so self assured as I used to be.

judetheobscure · 11/09/2003 23:28

I think if one looked at the childhood's of many paedophiles (and other criminals too) you would find extremes of child abuse, neglect, abandonment etc. I don't for one moment condone their crimes but think we could perhaps more profitably discuss how to prevent future generations being abused, neglected etc. rather than how we would take a gun to their heads etc.

Personally I couldn't care less who takes a photo of my child although I have to say I don't usually let them outside without clothes on, they wear swim suits etc. so perhaps not such an issue.

This seems obvious to me but - if a paedophile moved next door to me I would be repulsed, would probably decide to move house so as not to have the constant reminder of his activities BUT I would take exactly the same degree of care over my child's safety as I always have done. No more, no less.

ForestFly · 11/09/2003 23:32

Really find the analogy with aids quite obscene

fio2 · 12/09/2003 06:48

whoops didnt mean to upset anyone was just replying to RRR. I do understand what point she is making though, that you have to be vigilant about your kids whether you know someone is a nonce or not. Sorry must have had too much to drink last night because I didnt want want to get involved in this one I think everyone agrees that peadophiles are scum and I agree in this list of peadophiles(Sarah's Law is it?) so we can keep our children safe not so we can use it terrorise people - although I would see why people would feel srtongly enough to do so.

Boe · 12/09/2003 09:16

JTO - sorry to say this in the way that I do but would you not find it disgusting and so so sad and vile if your next door neighbour took a picture of your child and looked at it whilst he masterbated.

I think what is wrong is actually agreeing that these people have Human Rights - in my mind they don't, they are scum of the earth and have no rights at all. We should have the right to protect our chidren and know where they are living.

Danielle Jones was killed by her uncle who had orevious convictions, the family knew too and they let their 'relationship' go on, he had been at it for years and caught peeping at my local gym, taking pictures of girls going back and forth to my secondary school. It started with taking 'innocent' pictures and then escalated until it was not enough and he murdered. By the way he lived in between 2 primary and one secondary school, it makes me cringe to think that he could have been watching me and my friends over those years.

secret · 12/09/2003 10:15

Doormat - yes I am still hiding behind a name. I'm terrified.

"These people" are still human beings. What they have "done" or "thought" IS so vile, damaging and deserving of the harshest of punishments.

However, what no one seems to have mentioned is that the vast majority of abusers, if not all, have been sexually abused as children themselves. They do not know of any other way to relate to people. Their self esteem has been destroyed and they have learned through their own upbringing that manipulation, deceit and violence is the only way to feel in control.

From what my dh has told me of his childhood, his father has been controlling, verbally abusive to his mother and unable to communicate adaquately on a personal level. He has three failed marriages and has a very derogatory view of women.

We don't know much about his own childhood, but we do know his own father was a militant fascist in the 30s. Not an excuse - but do you see? This is learned behaviour. He is an accomplished liar and is excellent at mind control by clever language use. I guess the pyshologists would call it "grooming" in the case of young girls.

The latest bombshell dropped last night (bad timing after this thread) is that his abuse wasn't obviously enough of a secret. His first marriage (which dh only found out about when he came across an old passport) wasnt' childless as both he and MIL (now divorced) had led everyone to believe. Dh as of last night, has a half sister who is looking for her dad. I now feel physically sick, that this poor girl who is on the brink of finding her father, has to discover what kind of person he is.

Dh was the only visitor, my FIL had in prison. I waited in the car park for him once and nearly threw up out the window because I felt so sickened by being that close to him. Now, with las night's revelation, what was left of a very shaky relationship with his dad has been blown out of the sky.

Long post. I think what I'm trying to say (like others) is that peadophiles are social inadequates who are great actors and actresses. They often function well in society on the surface, but their tendencies will reveal themsleves in other ways. If male, then their inability to relate to women, for example. Yes, they are dangerous and yes, I would advocate some form of chemical castration and better incarceration policies but I would never, never end someone's life.

I'm not playing the blame game here. It is my FIL's fault for what he did - he is totally in the wrong. But we must also realise "why" this happens so often.

wickedstepmother · 12/09/2003 10:39

Secret, I find the 'Abusers are helpless as they were abused themselves' a ludicrous excuse. I was abused by my father when I was small and the very thought of wanting to inflict that on ANYONE, let alone a child sickens me to my very core.

This is not an attack on you or your opinion but I felt that it needed saying. I'm sure that you do not for one second believe that it is 'ok' if the abuser was also a victim.

doormat · 12/09/2003 10:42

secret I cant blame you for being terrified. As I said before it is your life and how you choose to live it is your business no-one elses.I dont hold it against you.
I read alot of crime books ie Jeffrey Dahmer, Fred and Rose West etc etc. And the learned behaviour pattern I do understand.Please dont think me of being ignrant to this. But what I am trying to say is that this "vicious cycle" of behaviour must stop before it reaches furthur generations. OK we cant stop it all (wish we could)as it will go on but what can we do as a society to start clamping down.
It seems to me as paedophilia has come out into the open it seems to be getting worse. ie there was not as many child murders as there used to be.WHY??? What is happening in our society for these dreadful things to happen??
Is it the internet???
Is it mass media???
There are a thousand and one questions I could ask.
Also lets not forget the fact that some (I dont know exact figures)paedos who have not been previously abused.There are also alot of people who have been abused and dont go on to be abusers.So what is exactly happening???
I believe like Boe and others have pointed out that it is a "sexual orientation", they actually fancy children.It has got to stop.Children are innocents.There needs to be tougher laws and naming and shaming for paedos to get the message this sort of behaviour is not acceptable in our society.As I said before it will not be good for you but we have to start somewhere
TBH I am sick of this thread as it is making me ill. I feel sick to the stomach at some of the comments on here. You probably do aswell.
This thread and the other has haunted me the last couple of days, because I cant comprehend the idea that there are people out there wanting to harm or use children for their sexual gratification. It really is disgusting.

fio2 · 12/09/2003 10:52

doormat I can see why this thread makes you feel sick because it makes me feel sick too I havent even been able to look at the other thread thread because just the title freaked me out

wickedstepmother · 12/09/2003 10:59

I must be being really thick here, but what other thread ?

fio2 · 12/09/2003 11:02

Its on In The News section I think but I wouldnt read it before your holiday

wickedstepmother · 12/09/2003 11:04

Oh, the 'Lenient sentence' one ? Have posted on that. What the f* happened to these people to make them behave like this ?

Rhubarb · 12/09/2003 11:25

The thing is Secret, is that my dd will come into contact with lots of men during her life. I have 2 friends who have looked after for me, and no doubt as she gets older she will be in and out of her friends houses, having sleep-overs etc. I am well aware that any of of these 'friends' could be a Paedo - male or female. But I cannot wrap her in cotton wool and prevent her from living her life. However if I had information that made me aware that one of my friends dh's was a Paedo, then obviously I would prevent her from going anywhere near their house by herself. I would not stop her from playing with her friends, but I would never leave her alone.

This is what should be done with that type of information. Not everyone will act so sensibly, but I'm afraid that I would put children's welfare and lives above that of the Paedo's own family. As you said yourself, the children he abused were playing with his kids, going to BBQ's etc, if the neighbours had known about him there is no way he would have gotten access to those children and lives could have been altered.

I am sorry for your dh and your situation, but my strongest instinct is to protect my child, and this I will do above all else.

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