paedophile on our street!

[katierocket]

one of my neighbours knocked on the door this afternoon to tell me that the guy that lives 5 doors from us has just been convicted of downloading child porn. He got a fine, suspended sentence and counselling. She wasn't being a vigilante but just said she thought those with parents might want to know. She has a 5 yr old and 7 yr old and lives next door but one to him. I felt really sorry for her because she was saying how his house overlooks their back yard and she's worried because they were running round in the nude in the paddling pool during the summer.

It might my heart drop when I heard it. I've never actually seen him and don't intend to start throwing eggs or shouting at him even if I do see him but it is frightening to think it can be so close to home.

"I can quite honestly say if I was that woman, I'd be sat at the window with a gun"

it seems quite clear to me

do you mean that you would sit at the window, but not with a gun?
with a gun, but you wouldn't shoot?

oh....you didn't really mean that....so why say it?

feelings on this subject are very strong, but the law is there to protect us all. The person who attacks a paedophile in cold blood (I'm excluding a situation where the perpetrator is caught in the act) deserves punishment as much as the paedophile.

Getting too heated for me! Have voiced my opinion.

Leaving now - good luck to all in this fight!

not fight, debate

off to pick up dd from nursery will check back later!

It is very unfortunate that if I attacked a peodophile in cold blood I would deserve a sentence. The sad thing is if I killed the peodophile I would go to jail for murder for a much longer time than the peodophile would for child abuse. This is so wrong.

Which is the most horiffic crime - abusing children or shooting a child abuser?

IMO a parent seeking revenge who shoots a peadophile is not a cold blooded murderer but an angry, distraught parent who's most precious posesion has been violated.

I'd shed no tears for any peodophile.

just came back to this and must say, in my opinion if he did take photos then it is definately abuse! If someone set up a secret camera in your bathroom prufrock and took numerous photos of you nude and posted them on the net would you not feel "abused". I know it's all assuming he did!

Tissy in a cyber world it can sometimes be hard to get your point across, as I'm sure we are all aware. Maybe you really believe me to be capable of "Sitting at window with gun" (seeing as we're hanging on words here), and ok you don't know me or anything about me, so as far as you're concerned maybe I am capable of "Sitting in window with gun".

I am not capable of such a crime but am incredibly incensed by subjects such as this.
When my dd was born I was blessed by the instinct that we all were whereby if we were all "Honest" you would (Thereoretically) kill for them. I haven't bought a gun, would not know where to, nor want to.

My point in all of this is those children were in their own garden and if we can't trust that our children are safe there, in a world where such heinous crimes are commited then, then what is the hope for the future.

I respect the law as much as my neighbour but feel it lets us down sometimes, I don't agree with all legislation and believe that sentencing for these people should be a lot tougher. I do not intend to take the law into my own hands at any point in the future but believe it is our duty to protect our children.

I would not be a happy woman to continue living in that house (if I were the woman in question) and how I word my feelings may be blunt, but let's see the offender for who he is, and not hang on the words of a mother who feels nothing other than sympathy for the originator of this thread and her neighbour concerned.
I'm a pregnant fiery woman and my views on this subject are simple, I'm sorry if I offend anyone here for that.

People are getting over panicky here in my opinion. A long time paedophile is unlikely to get off on an image of naked children playing (nor children at a school play, or any of the other places people panick about "dirty old men" and cameras). The photos that get distributed are not simply naked children, if it were, then it would be virtually a victimless crime and people wouldn't get so het up about it.

People are also getting terms confused. Not everyone who is on the Sex Offenders Register is a paedophile. They are not all a danger to children. There is good reason that the Sex Offenders Register is not made public.

And of course there are degrees! Did you not see the teenage kid in the news who got put on the sex offenders register as a paedophile? He did some searches on teenage porn (wanting images of girls his age) and got some fairly innocuous stuff, but then got "noticed" and was emailed extremely graphic and illegal child porn. He panicked, tried to wipe his hard drive, but still got caught and convicted, as far as I remember. I would hardly put this in the same league as someone who had abused many children.

But then it's far easier to have the world black and white for most people (and most newspapers).

Well said Angelmother :0

Sorry, i know i said i was leaving but had to check back and see wht was being said!

Bozza who mentioned telling the children.I personally would not tell my children but grab the nearest bat and whack him all over the place.
After rendering him not being able to move I would calmly phone the police. I would not care if I did time. I suppose that answers your question aswell Tissy.

Tissy I would be capable of pulling the trigger to a paedophiles head. If I did life so what I would get rid of one less pervert.

And how would that improve your children's life with their mother incarcerated?!

Here Here Doormat!

It would probably be wonderful to beat the crap out of someone like this and I would kill them if they ever touched my daughter but I believe that we have to stay better than them and just make ourselves aware that they are there maybe then we would be trusted with the register and be told where they were.

I don't care if a long time peadophile or a new and shiney one had the pictures, taking them for sexual gratification is abuse even if the kid knew nothing of it - it is against the law too!!

Although I would gladly put myself forward to be the executioner of these type of people - I do not usually believe in capital punishment but in the case of paedophilia, which is not something you can recover from, I think they are better off dead.

My family have suffered at the hands of peadophiles for 3 generations.Myself and one of my 2 brothers also.My brother by my uncle and me by one of his susspected vics.He has been convicted twice and once after my brother spoke upup,Got my cousins to falsely accuse my brother of same crime.I know my brother is innocent as girls had told me what actually happened and it was something silly that my uncle persuaded them to blow up.It tore my family apart.I now suffer with depression and agrophobia which is a nightmare.The thing peaople don't seem to realise is that one small picture leads to another and on till a life is taken away in the pshychological sense.Peado's are evil worse in fact than murderers as the vic's live on dealing with what happened.Also peado's are very good at mind control,there is no other way to put it.My brother is so screwwed up that I no longer have anything to do with him.
These 'things' should be castated.I would myself like to string my 'Uncle'Up by his genitalia and watch him scream.I would also love to watch him take his last breath so that I know noone will suffer because of him again.Strong I know but in reality after that farcical sentence given in scotland am feeling particularly vicious.

GeorginaA then there should be a paedo register just for paedos.
How do you know that a long time paedo would not get off on photos, coz I have no idea.

GeorginaA I would improve my children life by not having another foul human being on the streets. Also they would be well cared for and visit me every week.

Doormat I was just following up the "ignorance is bliss" comment. We all agree that it is better for the children not to know if possible. And also I see Tissy's point. What would happen to your children doormat while you were serving time?

It really is hypothetical situation but I could seriously do the crime as paedos are sick and twisted. My children would be looked after dh and other family.
If I could die to save my kids (like on the who do you love most thread) I am pretty sure I could kill a nonce.

Sorry I'm too slow. But doormat I disagree that getting yourself imprisoned would not have a seriously detrimental effect on your children.

Do agree with calls for stiffer sentencing. Was also appalled about the baby rape case. I sort of half wonder about castration too - although as a legally approved, medically carried out procedure not what some of you suggest!

The same way you seem to "know" that no paedophile could ever be cured probably, doormat.

I read a lot. I'm interested in psychology. I've also read newspaper reports which have been a little more detailed than I would have wanted to read which describes exactly what type of child porn has been hawled in. Simple naked children playing doesn't even register. Quite horrific.

I would imagine child porn is the same as normal porn, with certain psychologies, frequent use would start to lessen any effectiveness and more hard core material sought out. So I believe it is unlikely any photos in that garden that were taken would have a wide distribution.

The truth of the matter is we just don't know about the psychology of paedophila and there are degrees. Some may well have a disorder which has led their sexual "orientation" to be aimed at children. Others have suffered horrific abuse themselves. There's still not much known. To state categorically that there is no chance of rehabilitation just doesn't have any scientific basis.

I find it very disturbing that there are people on the thread who insist that child porn is illegal (which it is, and I want all legal means used to stop it too) and that the book should be thrown at them, but conveniently want to ignore harrassment or extremes as murder laws to apply to themselves. What sort of message is that giving to our children about respect of authority?! I'm so glad I'm not in the police or have any family in the police...

Yes, I agree. Paedophilia is horrific and sick. But it pisses me off something chronic to think that our already overstretched police service has to waste valuable manhours protecting these people from "well meaning" citizens instead of spending that time searching out and convicting unidentified paedophiles.

To get this in perspective, the biggest abuse risk to children is still at the hands of their own families. "Stranger Danger" is thankfully still rare. Not that the tabloids would tell you that - it doesn't sell enough papers.

When Uncle accused brother he nearly ended up at least injured.Was in same room when he told my brother to own up the smarmy bstd was smiling and smarmy.My mother and partner noticed me moving forward I then started giving him a mouthful at which he laughed as am only 5ft2 and he's more than 6ft.I went to go for him and they both stopped me and partner removed me from room.Am certain that judge would have let me off as a plea of temporary insanity.

GeorginaA I never said once that a paedophile could not be cured or rehabilitated because I dont know the answer to that question but I would not like to take that risk.
I do read too and yes I agree that most of the danger is in the family environment. It should be stopped, there should be stronger (alot) sentencing for paedos to get the message that this behaviour is unacceptable in our society.

am guessing GeorginaA you have not been directly affected by this.I too am interested in psychology and also know of ane peado that asked to be castrated as he knew that he would commit a crime.He was told to come back when he had commited the crime.Thats why people no longer trust police and judges.
I also want to point out that no one has said that murder laws should not apply to them it is just that we are willing to do anything to protect innocent children from having their lives ruined forever.

GeorginaA what does the legal system teach our children at the moment, now lets be realistic about this.
Through newspaper reports etc it teaches them that if they sell drugs (sorry forgot who mentioned it) they get around 14 yrs.
If they steal from a house they get around 3-6 yrs.
If they steal from a bank they get around 20 yrs.
If they abuse a child they get anything from community service, probation to on a sex register or maybe if the public are lucky up to 10 yrs jail.
So what does the justice system teach our children. It teaches them that assets mean more than victims IMO.
Assets can be replaced a childs innocence cant.

Paedophilia is not an illness that can be cured - it is like hetrosexuality or homosexuality - they will be like this forever.

They do not choose to fancy kids is what I am saying but I would gladly kill them if it were to save a child from abuse.