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is this abuse?

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plantlife · 06/09/2019 22:05

A while ago DP was shouting very loudly in an argument. I was begging him to stop shouting, it was so loud all the neighbours could hear, calling me a cunt and useless and other horrible things.

He then held me down, cupped his hands to my ear, put his mouth on it and shouted at top volume into it. This was over a year ago. He's been making an effort with me but ever since then I've had on off pain (mild) and feel more sensitive to noise. It could be psychological but he gets angry if I ask him to speak less loudly. I can't cope with maybe even normal speaking volume (but actually he speaks quite loudly). I know it's a pain but he knows why I feel sensitive. I don't know if I'm being unfair on him, he feels he can't speak at a suitable volume for me. I don't complain, I just sometimes ask if he wouldn't mind lowering the volume, I tell him know it's annoying but hope he understands.

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cakeandchampagne · 26/09/2019 20:13

Of course you are uncomfortable with the idea of a refuge- for a long time you haven’t been going very many places or interacting with very many people.
His abuse of you & the isolation have tricked you into thinking you can’t handle things. But we are certain you can. Flowers

Twillow · 26/09/2019 20:56

Oh and I didn't mean to worry you - you only give details when YOU are comfortable with and ready to. No-one is going to force you to do anything. (Unlike partner Wink)

Twillow · 26/09/2019 20:59

First said he wanted his own place away from me, then decided we'd go to where we are.

That sounds very much like playing mind games with you, trying to get you to be worried about being on your own so you'll be anxious and then feel glad when he 'sorts things out'. Why does he get to choose where you live? Did you have any say in it?

Twillow · 26/09/2019 21:02

Threats to kill could be the same tactic - messing with your head so that you have no peace or energy to do anything when he's not there to keep an eye on you.
But it's not to be taken lightly in any case. Whether or not he intends to do it, making a threat to kill you is not only abuse but a criminal act I believe.

Roobaby141 · 26/09/2019 21:06

It is abuse and although you feel that you may not be strong enough. You are. All the kind lovely people that are here for you will always will be. There will always be someone to listen and help. You are and always will be a strong loving woman. You can do this.

plantlife · 26/09/2019 21:27

Thank you. I'm sorry. I'm frightened. He's just sent me a long message. Saying he's leaving and not to contact him again. He knows I haven't been able to go outside for two months, he knows I'm scared of being homeless. I've stupidly told him it's worse than the bruises from him. I'm scared the domestic abuse charity won't help me now. They'll say he's left. But genuinely he's done this before more than once. Maybe he means it this time. Even if he does he'd go mad if I stayed after he gave notice on the flat. Will they still help me?

I want him to be nice again. He says he cares a lot about me in the same message.

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plantlife · 26/09/2019 21:39

I think it's all my fault. He's been making so much effort for months. I've been so stressed because of the old GP stuff. I blamed him and whined on and provoked him. And because the old GP stopped my medication I couldn't go to shops so he's spent loads of money buying me food. He's angry about that. But sometimes I was able to get out then he'd say or do something and I couldn't go. I'm sorry I can't think straight. I'm panicking and know I need to stop. I don't know why he's suddenly doing this. He said a good few years ago we weren't together anymore. We were just flatmates but that didn't stop him being violent. Then he'd sent messages asking to cuddle, hug, kiss, etc. I need to calm down and get help tomorrow.

I wish I had time to heal. The new GP knew about my condition. They were horrified my medication had been stopped. It risks permanent damage. Really I need time for it to start working again and I should get checked at the hospital. I don't know whether to do that tomorrow or try to leave. I'll miss him. He sent love and hugs. Then says we're not together. Sorry and thank you again.

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plantlife · 26/09/2019 21:43

He knows when he does something like this, the message and the threat earlier, that I get in a state. I end up staying half the night upset and scared. Then I can't do anything even when my health's ok. But it's not his fault I panic. I wish the GP stuff hadn't happened. I think it caused too much strain on him and me including financial. Sorry for rambling again. I'm not ready to leave. I maybe have to. I hope I can be strong. I'm grateful for this thread.

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Twillow · 26/09/2019 21:51

Kind actions mean a lot more than kind words, especially if you can't trust those words are genuine.

Ok, now he's messing with your worry about being homeless again. What, actually, would you miss about him?

Twillow · 26/09/2019 22:01

All this anxiety is going to paralyse you. Probabaly what he's aiming for.
You CAN do two things tomorrow, go for the check up AND phone the DA charity.
Plan for the worst case scenario. Then you'll be even stronger if you don't need it. But look after yourself, do something for yourself, every day if you can: it will give you strength and we can see that you are making progress, until he comes back on the scene...

plantlife · 26/09/2019 22:04

I think my immediate fear is being homeless. I genuinely would prefer being battered by him. I'm sorry if that's horrible but I'm terrified. My health thing, if I don't give it time to heal I'll be permanently damaged. I'm shaking. Can I leave by the weekend? I've only just found a brilliant GP. I'm scared I won't be able to get help in time. I know it shouldn't matter at this stage but I really really don't think I could cope with a shared refuge. Especially whilst sort of housebound.

It's even harder getting help at weekends. So many domestic abuse places are closer. I don't know what he'll do next. Maybe say sorry tomorrow, maybe be worse.

I'd miss him when he's being nice. The hugs, the caring about me, looking after me, someone to turn to. I'll miss looking after him. I'm sorry if that's stupid. I'm not that young. I think I sound younger than I am. I'm scared of being alone. I've got no friends anymore.

I need to go to bed. I have to do something tomorrow don't I? I've got sleeping pills. I should take one.

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plantlife · 26/09/2019 22:10

Thank you again. Your advice is so good. I know you're right but I wish it wasn't like this. I'm scared the refuges will be closed at weekend. I feel unnerved staying now, not knowing what he'll do. It's frightening. I suppose I could call from the hospital and maybe I'll get a place? I hope I can do this.

I don't know why he's suddenly being like this. He was sending me hugs and kisses a few days before.

Thank you for being so understanding. I can't seem to explain it (except the physical violence) when I speak to the charities. Maybe I should print this thread out?

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plantlife · 26/09/2019 22:14

He's angry still about the neighbours. One of them ages ago complained about the noise and called him a wifebeater. The other neighbour banged on the door a few months ago and was angry (understandably). They hate me too. I've had meltdowns and shouted to myself. I know it's wrong. I'm going to have a bath and take a sleeping pill (after the bath). I'm so grateful for your kindness. Thank you.

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Wolfiefan · 26/09/2019 22:21

When he’s being nice.
Abusers don’t abuse all the time. They switch the “nice” on and off. It’s a control technique. If they were awful all the time then no one would ever stay with them. It’s an act.
You deserve kind. You deserve to feel safe and relaxed and calm ALL THE TIME! (Excuse the capitals!)
You deserve to have friends, have the medical stuff under control and to have support and people around you who only make your life better. You really do.

plantlife · 26/09/2019 22:26

I'm sorry I'm really rambling. The charity sounded so kind today. It's just the one I tried before. They said they couldn't help me leave, I suppose because I'm being too ungrateful about needing specific type of refuge. They kept saying get counselling or police or ambulance. I just need help leaving. I'm thinking if I go in person by cab to a charity, do you think they'll help me get through to the helpline. I know I'm panicking. I'm scared and crying now. I want him to come back and hug me. I'm being so stupid. I'm sorry. I have to go to bed. Thank you again. I'm not even making sense to myself. He's been all I've got, my only human real life contact for so long. He's done so many nice things for me.

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Wolfiefan · 26/09/2019 22:37

You’re not being stupid. Not at all. You’re scared and don’t want to leave the familiar for the completely unknown. I wish you were my neighbour. We have a sofa bed!
You are making sense. He’s conditioned you to make you think you need him. Your support and independence have been whittled away so that you think you’re all alone and you can’t do this without him.
A challenge. Your next post. Don’t apologise. You don’t need to!

plantlife · 26/09/2019 22:43

Thanks you. I'll try your challenge. Thank you so much for helping me this evening. I need to stop crying and pull myself together. I know I need to sleep so I can do things tomorrow. I've run my bath. Thank you again.

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Wolfiefan · 26/09/2019 22:50

Sleep well. Flowers

Twillow · 26/09/2019 23:49

You say you've got no friends anymore. That's very typical of abuse, being made to feel uncomfortable about having friends. But they were friends...they could still be...one of them might have a sofa bed too!! Why don't you gently reach out to one of them, you don't have to say anything about your situation, just say Hi I was thinking about you.
(Oh, and you have virtual friends on here!!)

Justtryingtobehelpful · 27/09/2019 05:52

Hello. We are all here listening. We care. Very proud of the steps you've been taking to get stronger and safer. Keep reading the book. The mental fog, fear and mind games are all detailed there as common tactics.
I think it would be helpful for you to print out this thread just before you need it and take it with you to your GP appointment or use as guidance on what to say when on the phone to a centre. Or, show it to the police if you decide to take to them. It would be very enlightening for them and probably give them a clear idea of the extent and timescale of the abuse.
It could be your saving grace.
Pivotal my, you'd need to leave or with them on their files for safe keeping, shred afterwards or put into a public bin to ensure your OH didn't get his hands on it.
Good luck!

PolloDePrimavera · 27/09/2019 08:04

I don't know if you watch Eastenders, but there's a domestic abuse story on at the moment, which means there's a helpline number posted at the end.

I'm probably repeating other posters but he's isolating you to reduce your confidence and that is emotional abuse. Then, by organising the food etc he is further controlling you and when he doesn't get it, he is neglecting you. I'm not clear on whether you get food, sorry if I got this wrong.

I think you almost have Stockholm Syndrome insofar as he is your captor, essentially, and you rely upon him entirely. Do you mean you don't know how to physically leave your home and get to a refuge? Just book a taxi, no more than that. You can take control here. You've started to take control by posting on here because you want to do something but you need encouragement, which is fine! And normal!

Whatisthisfuckery · 27/09/2019 12:07

OP, darling, your panicking is his fault though, even if you can’t see it. He messes with your head so you get in a state. He knows you get in a state, he sees i, but he still does it. Do you think a genuinely loving partner would repeatedly do something that they could see made you get in a panicky state?

The answer to that question if you haven’t reached that point is no, a loving partner wouldn’t do that.All of the other posters on this thread who are in healthy relationships will tell you the same. I have a partner. If she did something that really upset me she’d be horrified, likewise me with her.

I’ll tell you a story. When me and DP first got together DP had just started a new job and was struggling. She has always had self esteem issues due to previous abuse and she was really struggling. One day on the phone she said something that really upset me. She wasn’t trying to be hurtful but it tapped right into my own insecurities and it did. The thing she said wasn’t very nice tbh, and although she didn’t mean it I told her that it really was a shitty thing to say. Anyway the next time we saw each other she gave me a massive hug and said that she’d been thinking about it and yes, it was a shitty thing to say, and although she didn’t mean it she’d taken out her own insecurities on me and been very insensitive. She has never said anything like that again, and she now has more insight into how what she said was horrible and that it came from a place of her own insecurity that she shouldn’t take out on me.

That’s quite a boring story, but things like this in a relationship are quite boring, baseline things. It’s not an amazing gesture when someone considers the other’s feelings and reframed from doing and saying things that really hurt the other, it’s just what relationships should be like.

I really encourage you to get in touch with the police. They’ve put you in touch with a DV support unit before so you know they will do that. Yes he’s turned things around on you when you’ve been too afraid to speak, but in all honesty I think they may have been trying to remove you from the situation to a safe place where you could speak.

Honestly, they really will help you, and if you approach them yourself you can speak before he does. They really will believe you, I promise. They really are the best people to help in your circumstances. DV charities have certain parameters within which they work, because they are small and they have specific remits, and because their funding and powers limit what they can do. The police are the door to all the help that is available to you, and they will help you access it. They can get the whells turning quicker than Womens’ Aid or anyone else because they have the keys and the fast track to all those possible doors.

I know it’s hard, I’ve been somewhere close to where you are, but the safe place you think you’re in now is not safe at all. The ground keeps shifting, his behaviour keeps changing, he keeps moving you from place to place when he sees you might have a foothold, he keeps trying to make you ill again when it looks like you might get better.

Let me ask you a question. Did you tell him about the meds before he threatened to kill you and started in on his usual splitting up routine? If he did then there’s your answer and your proof. There are patterns in his behaviour. He doesn’t want you to recognise them because that would undermine his methods of control. There are patterns though and you already recognise them, deep down you do. Once you acknowledge this you can start to predict what will happen and you’ll see that it’s all a way to keep you in this awful situation.

Anyway I’ve bombarded you here, and it might be hard to take in but you can read and re-read all these responses and the understanding will seep in if you let it.

Please be safe, and please try to approach the police. I’ve just dealt with them myself over bullying of my DS and despite how busy they are they’ve been brilliant.

Oh, and one last thing, the neighbours. They know he’s a wife beater, they’ve told him. Of course they know, they live around you. They are not looking at you with hatred, they are looking at him with hatred. Wife beating is considered the lowest of the low. That is not a reflection on you, it is a reflection on him. He is a wife beater, you are not. I’d bet my last penny that they’re worried about you, and if they seem angry it’s because they’re frustrated.

People notice this shit, wife beating, they do not look kindly on wife beaters.

plantlife · 27/09/2019 12:13

I'm rambling again. I'm tired. Slept well so maybe lack of fresh air. I have to decide whether to go to hospital walk-in to get the extra medication (GP can't prescribe) and get checked no permanent damage, or cab to domestic abuse charity. Just rang one and they were nice but I couldn't seem to explain things properly. I think I need to show this thread to explain.

I'd have to leave today if refuge place. I suppose maybe hospital today then refuge Monday? I'm terrified and feel lost without him. Don't know what he's planning. Unnerving. Can't calm down with the uncertainty.

I really think I'd cope if I wasn't temporarily disabled.

I sound so pathetic. Feel like I'm going mad. Cabin fever. Can't remember what fresh air and outside is like.

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plantlife · 27/09/2019 12:21

Thank you so much, Whstisthisfuckery. You seem to explain it better than I can even to myself. I feel so tired and confused. I think it's deliberate timing but maybe me being paranoid.

I told him the good news about the new GP and medication return. Then he went nasty but maybe coincidence. He knows I haven't been able to get out for two months and he knows what panic and fear does to me. But then says "you're mental, you can't even honour without a mental attack" even though he knows it's a real physical issue. He's furious about the neighbours. Wanted to have one of them beaten up (neighbour is a man so he's not threatening another woman). Sorry. Panicking. I was going to baby step today. Back on medication, I felt able to try to walk round block.

I'll try to get dressed. Sorry for panicking.

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plantlife · 27/09/2019 12:28

I don't know if the charity understood. I think I need to go somewhere in person. I feel like I'm not real anymore. It feels like a dream shit away in here. They were very nice but like you say very limited resources. Was saying I'd have to be ready immediately for a refuge. I suppose ideally I'd baby step. Hospital today. Speak to charity in person Monday, prepare to go next week. I know I'm asking too much. Not sure if me being so cut off was understood. I live where serious knife crimes, etc, so obviously they haven't time or patience or money to help with all that.

Would police arrest him if I went to them? I can't cope with that. He'll try to turn it on me or get me sectioned. Or all sorts of other revenge possible. I really need to focus on getting better. It's hard when you're not well.

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