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2ManyPimms · 10/01/2006 13:43

As an offshoot of the Baby Modelling thread here is the new and improved thread for all questions you may have regarding agencies, the industry or just to relate general experiences. The last thread is hereby laid to rest - it was 5 YEARS OLD! Jeez!

If you want to DEBATE or CRITICISE go to the "Child Modelling - Debate" thread.

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Rhubarb · 10/01/2006 13:46

Well good luck to you. Just don't forget that Mumsnet is a public forum so please don't get too upset if someone posts with an opinion that you don't like!

2ManyPimms · 10/01/2006 13:53

Someone with an opinion different to my own? Never!!! (OTFLMFAO)

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Rhubarb · 10/01/2006 13:54

On the floor laughing my flabby arse off?

muma3 · 10/01/2006 13:56

DONT USE MODELS DIRECT PLEASEEEEEEEEE
SCAM SCAM SCAM

2ManyPimms · 10/01/2006 14:05

This came from the last, now dead, thread...thought it was quite good so I copied and pasted...

By RingaRingRoses

Hi everyone,

New to this board, but been reading for a while.
I though I would add a few things about the various agencies, I hope its of use, please excuse the long post.

My son did modelling when he was a baby so he went to a few castings and did a couple of jobs. I wanted him to get back into it, for the obvious reasons, but being a bit more clued up I decided to do research into the different agencies. So speaking from personal experience, speaking to friends etc and what I have read, this is what I have to say.

A few points to consider, when reading this.
I contacted various leading companies that tend to use children for assignments frequently such as Mothercare, M&S, Pampers etc to see what agents they use. I have marked these with an *.
Although most agents do probably manage to send children to castings, the number of children they have on the books do have an effect on who they send and how often the send children, Some of the top agents, who charge over £100 are able to get work, but because the number of children on the book, the odds of your child getting work or frequent work is less, for obvious mathematical reasons. I reckon they have their favourites and that?s that. Look at how many children they have in the age range of your child.

*Elisabeth Smith well established - so you do see their kids at castings. Want over hundred pounds for representation per year, plus photos. But they have quite a few kids on their books, as there is a financial benefit for them to do so. No negative feedback from parents with children on their books. One parent told me his child was being sent on regular work, and included a few trips further a field. Over 500 Kids on website.
www.elisabethsmith.co.uk

Rascals
Want a ridiculous amount of money for registration & photos, over £200, which includes photography. Have lots of kids on books, but I have seen children at castings. One parent told me that she received no work with them and is now with another agent. Over 500 kids on website.
www.rascals.co.uk/2005/index.htm

*Urban angels. Newly established, but v.successful, few children on books and minimal cost for parent involved. I have spoken to the owner, she is v.nice and I personal believe her company ethos is brilliant, the children I have seen at castings, all get regular work and they keep the parents well informed. See website.
www.urbanangelsagency.com/gettingyourwings.asp#

**Bruce & Brown. top end of industry, get lots of work, and were mentioned along with Kids London by companies who use kids for advertising. Not sure what costs are involved, but no upfront costs, I think minimal costs. Limited number of kids on books, so I guess their kids gets regular work. Not sure, just a guess, but probably do more high end fashion/work.
www.bruceandbrown.com/Join.aspx

**Kids London. V. similar comments to Bruce & Brown. High end work, not sure of number of kids on books, but I would guess very few as no costs or v.minimal costs involved. Spoke to owner v.nice lady.
www.kidslondonltd.com/

*Truly Scrumptious. High costs over £200 including photography, costs are less if child is under 2, over £100 pounds. Not sure of number of kids, but my son has got work with them. Sent him to 4 castings, and got the job for 3 of those. So either my son is highly talented (that?s what I love to think) or their just good a picking the right child for the job.
www.trulyscrumptious.co.uk/

Alphabet Kids
I think newish, a few people I know have joined, seemed organised, website looks good. Owner is very nice lady, at the photoshot for the model book; she was really good with the kids. Don?t know about frequency of work, did send some of my friends young babies to 1-2 castings, recently.
www.alphabetkidz.co.uk/

Cheeky Kids
V.V.new, so very few kids, only £15 to join. Run by sisters, who are very nice, so I have been reliable told.
www.cheekykidz.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=20

*MOT
Good agency, don?t have loads of kids with similar look & age. Which means more work for those who are suitable. No or minimal costs involved. Over 400 kids on website.
www.motjunior.com/index.html

*Scallywags
High costs £170 plus, but includes photos and cd of photos for yourself to keep. Seen children at casting, my son was with them when he was 6 months old, he was sent on several castings, but didn?t get any of the jobs. They have lots of kids on books, so I presume internal competition is high. They have over 900 kids on website
www.scallywags.co.uk/site/faqs.asp?vip=z121y122QFE69

Models Direct
Lets not even go there.

BizzyKids
Well, I?m just not sure. The probably do get work for their kids, but I don?t think they are that selective. And after reading quite a few forums, as parents are the best sources of reliable information. I?m more dubious. There seems to be quite a few suspicious posts from mothers claiming to be signed up with them and getting work immediately. And some not so suspicious as they are clearly from the head booker Debi Clark. I did sign up to them been with them for a couple of months, but no work as yet, this is before doing more extensive research in the chat forums. Not sure if it was worth it, but I remain optimistic. Its not for me to say they don?t get work for their kids, but I am suspicious about their methods of recruiting. They have over 700 kids on website.
www.bizzykidz.com/

Here is a list of others, but I have no comment on.
www.plain-jane.co.uk/
www.elliottbrownagency.co.uk/
www.inspired-models.com/
www.jabberwockyagency.com/outside/home.html
www.kidsplusagency.co.uk/index.php
www.kidzltd.co.uk/index.html
www.sandrareynolds.co.uk/recruitmentchildren.asp
www.hobsons-international.com/trial/Kids/IndexKidsV3.asp
www.norriecarr.com/children/default.htm
www.allsortsagency.com/
www.bmamodels.com/
www.childsplaymodels.co.uk/Contact.html
www.expressions-uk.com/
216.26.162.88/mp/
www.millenniumkidz.co.uk/default.htm
www.powerchildmodels.co.uk/
www.tuesdayschildagency.co.uk/

Do be wary of paying high costs, be it registration, website representation, model book or photos, but at the same time, the ones I have commented on that have high costs of over £100 do get children work. It just depends on if your child is right for casting/job. This industry is a mind field, and I just wanted to pass on what I have managed to learn. Although my son has NOT done tones of work like some parents children I have met. The little experience has taught me some bits. The most important thing is that the children enjoy it.

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Enid · 10/01/2006 14:06
oliveoil · 10/01/2006 14:08
2ManyPimms · 10/01/2006 14:08

I was thinking more along the lines of "fat" but "flabby" does the job well!

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2ManyPimms · 10/01/2006 14:09

"We like to move it, move it!" Darn! I love King Julian!

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Normsnockers · 10/01/2006 14:16

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Rhubarb · 11/01/2006 12:17

As someone else said on the other thread, I think it's good to have opinions considering both sides of the issue, it could be really helpful to mums thinking of modelling to hear both sides of story. At least the mums reading any of these threads can't say they went into child modelling in complete ignorance can they? I think we've covered just about every aspect of it!

2ManyPimms · 11/01/2006 13:44

It is useful - agreed! What is not useful are the posts which are designed solely to annoy or belittle (or dare I say, *hit stir). Differences of opinion are needed but not everyone is mature enough to present those differences in a way that is constructive. I thought that a "Debate" thread would be useful to have a no-holds-barred yeah-or-ney kibitz.

Have you noticed that the other thread hasn't died yet...maybe we should play "Taps" or run down the flag on it.

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GuzzleGuts · 11/01/2006 14:51

Just a quick question regarding Dr's notes. My DD is with BK but hasn't yet had a job. The 6 months are up on her note but as it was undated and she hasn't needed a license do we need to bother getting a new note or is the old one still valid. They charged me £5 to write one last time so dont want to get one if not neccessary!

2ManyPimms · 11/01/2006 17:01

Guzzle - There is a difference between the license and the Dr's note. The license can be used again and again as it is undated. The Dr's note (saying she is fit and able to work) may have been dated at the time it was written. If your Dr's note is out of date they can remove your DD's details from the webpage and charge 30 quid to reinstate her!

Worth getting in touch with BK to confirm the Dr's note date!

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hahahehe · 11/01/2006 17:42

......sorry to butt in..... but a license has to be issued by your local council each time you do a job. To get the license you need a Drs note, along with passport photos, parents consent etc etc. They are often needed at short notice and therefore to make life easy, Bizzykidz keep all the documents on file for as and when needed. Thats why the Drs note has to be valid. If you are sure the drs note was undated then it would be fine to still use - our dr charges £20!!! So it is definately worth getting it undated if you can!!!! Hope you have to use it soon!!!!!!!

2ManyPimms · 11/01/2006 17:45

Thats what I was trying to say! :0

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lanismum · 11/01/2006 18:50

20 quid for a drs note! bloody hell my dr does my dds for free [smug face]

2ManyPimms · 11/01/2006 19:05

Mine is 25 - rumoured to go to 30!!! (grrrrr...)

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bundle · 11/01/2006 19:07

why on earth should a publically funded health service pay for your kids to go modelling, when there are sick people in the waiting room?

Piffle · 11/01/2006 19:20

And sick people who cannot get into a waiting room...

GuzzleGuts · 11/01/2006 19:52

Thanks Ladies! Yes I'm sure the note was undated. I gave them the print out from BK's email and the doc just stamped it. The Doc was very reluctant to sign it though (I think it went against his principals) and it took weeks of pestering before we got the note returned. I'm glad I dont have to face all that again just yet!!

2ManyPimms · 11/01/2006 20:12

And who said the NHS should provide these free of charge? No one.

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Rhubarb · 11/01/2006 20:43

hahahehe - another advert for Bizzykidz?

bundle · 11/01/2006 20:46

pimms, general grumbling re: coughing up 20 or 30 quid for one...if I was the practice manager, I'd ask for double.

cyan · 11/01/2006 22:44

I just wanted to say that in my experience from working in editorial, a number of the publications I have worked for would rather use a child for free, ie by asking someone they knew with kids to feature in the article/etc as opposed to going to an agency. For example my ds has been used in a number of features, ie weaning, birth stories and more recently a baby massage article just because I had worked for the publication. So for those of you who say it's more for the experience and gaining some cherished snaps for when they are older as opposed to making them some money to go to uni etc then contact publications in particular parenting mags directly. More than likely they would rather capitalise on not having to pay (depending on the type of feature) than forking out huge costs.
I know for a fact the mag which i contribute to, would sooner use something for nothing anyway!
My ds is with an agency and I have found that working directly with a publication is much better than a job (this is my experience only)! I was considering switching agencies but having had a think they are all pretty much the same, the reputable ones anyway.
Well I don't know if this is of any use but good luck.

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