Botwatch 90!!!! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM. And ‘coaching’ scams are just as bad!

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New Fred

welcome one and all to bot watching- where we pint out the lies and manipulation by ‘bots’ - those involved in network marketing, coaching etc etc

there is no magic money tree so don’t be fooled!

Do you think FLP has actively kicked them out @dickiedavisthunderthighs? Or just a bit of ghosting like Yawn? As someone mentioned on the other thread they popped up a few weeks ago both posting on the private FBO page saying congratulations to some bots. Strange because I thought their FB accounts were hacked! It looked like they’d both decided they should show their presence and be positive. They must know people are asking questions. Mrs BN was posting every day before June. She stopped altogether a month ago, even LinkedIn. The accounts are scary aren’t they? Yawn’s are due too, a much smaller fish but with a similar problem.

I like the way he describes his occupation on those accounts as Motivational Speaker! I think he'll need to have words with himself :)

100% it's been repossessed, you can see the repossession notice in the front window plus the stickers on the appliances to say don't use they have not been tested. I used to buy houses that were repossessed and I would drive round looking for the notice in the window, they have to put it there. The notice would go up in the window before the for sale board so was a good opportunity to pounce.

They would have stopped paying the mortgage about a year or more ago for it to have got to this stage. Bad times indeed, just shows you how damaging MLMs are, I mean look at yawn owing £200k to her company, that's messed them up for life.

Hi I set up my own thread as I didn't want to interrupt the main thread but I have a weird scenario and would welcome some MLM Botwatch advice.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5430194-a-nurse-selling-mlm-products-to-a-patient?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Ah yes, I see the sign in the window now @SnoogyWoo and now I’m looking at the photos properly on a bigger screen I can see what a state it’s in. It looks overgrown and the grass either side of the path to the front door is a mess. Loads of branches lying around like the mortgage company has sent some slashers and burners in to do a bit of hacking so it doesn’t look too neglected. I think they must have moved out quite a while back.

Mr and Mrs Boring Name’s property on Prison Street has definitely been repossessed. I wonder how many mortgages they’ve taken out on it over the years? All the utilities will have been turned off and taped up to deter them from attempting to re-enter the property as squatters. I suspect the tape over the loo seat and the log burner will deter squatting of a different nature - especially if they, like Yawn, decide to emulate Samuel Pepys who rose twice in the night to shit in the chimney. You’ll never think of a log burner in quite the same way again, will you? 😉

Oh god this is fascinating. I’ve been wondering where they got to. Mrs Boring was posting on IG until early June; some of her posts are now very embarrassing if they have gone bankrupt… ‘what would you do if you couldn’t fail?’’New house? Wardrobe full of clothes? Yes you can have it all’. Just confirming it’s all smoke and mirrors

Hello and welcome to the place where lies and scammers are exposed for what they are. This thread is all about Multilevel marketing (MLMs) and the antics of the fools and scammers (aka bots) who get involved with such product based pyramid schemes including Forever Living, Juice Plus, Tropic, Temple Spa, Younique, dodgy coaching schemes etc. We use nicknames for the fibbers who claim to be earning six figure salaries, clues for which can be found if you know where to look …

I can't believe we're on the 90th thread, amazing!

BUILD A FORTRESS

How many months would you survive if you lost your income?

How long before you started to feel desperate?

How long before your self worth plummets?

It’s possible to build a financial fortress to ensure you’re never vulnerable or fully dependent on your job.

I can’t help but re-read Mrs Boring Name’s posts about the cast iron opportunity that is Forever Living. This is today’s favourite which was posted when she must have had an inkling that all was not well. Though I do wonder with her if as long as she had an AGA and “room for a pony” covered by FLP endeavours, she didn’t ask too many questions. She’s not a director of any of his companies and her profile in Forever was never an example of her clawing her own way up the pyramid but rather a case of languishing at the bottom trying to make it work alongside the vast majority. She only achieved the material possessions necessary to give the illusion of MLM success once she had dragged him up the aisle by his Gentleman’s Pride. I’m sure she has been a useful asset to him as she is prepared to lie through her teeth and recruiting women and plundering their social networks would have been difficult to do when his time is taken up making 1 + 1 equal eleven billionty quids. Perhaps all is not lost and he’s been keeping her name off the list of directors so he can keep a bit of cash under her mattress for a rainy day, and it’s certainly pissing down on them right now. He was head of an audit department at a bank apparently so that’s reassuring isn’t it? It’s nice to know you can build a fortress even if, in the end you have to hand the keys to that fortress back to the mortgage company.

I wonder if any of the bots are on to this? The top bots must be and must need to close ranks in case doubt settles in among the organisational cannon fodder.

Spot on @YouOKHun unfortunately the bailiffs boiled up pans of hot aloe before they disconnected the AGA and the fortress is no more.

I was just reviewing the choose your failure press release in the Sandwich News and I hadn't registered that it said "Mrs Boring worked as a dispenser in the pharmacy in Sainsbury’s Sandwich and Bumbury Medical Centre. She never mentions this does she? Yawn will trot out the lowly childminder when it suits but Mrs Boring is always the High Flying EA. Undoubtedly a dispenser is a valuable role I'm not knocking it at all. Hopefully she is able to dispense something for a large financial headache.

She does mention it on TikTok when she is implying health benefits of AV @user1471446301!

oh I beg her pardon then I stand corrected (just this once!)

This thread has slowed down somewhat! Are we all waiting with bated breath on the accounts?

@pontivex yes! I think the end of the month will be the first set of accounts for Yawn’s post FLP activities (can’t quite remember the dates). The Borings’ accounts will be very interesting. As well as Rightmove I’m keeping an eye on the Insolvency Register.

It’s not that I feel gleeful about someone losing their home but I can’t help wondering how many people have trusted their lies over the years, especially recently while they’ve been selling the stable income angle in the knowledge that they were teetering on the edge of a financial precipice. I suppose FLP would say that they are an independent business and therefore their finances are their own mistake but they appear to have been expecting the good times to keep rolling and their demise must be a very uncomfortable reflection on FLP.

We’re still waiting for Casltes accounts for scamversity, first strike off notice issued

Looks like another failed business, to add to the rest. But according to her it’s all 7 figure stuff 🤣🤣

But she’s renovating 🤣 nothing to see here

That's how I feel - Its not getting the flags out and cheering about people losing homes, but that MLM is a case of Castles being built on quicksand.

The MLM heyday is over, it was all smoke and mirrors, Virgin Vie, Juice plus, BSAH and all the others that have gone to the wall were a hot brd of lies and half truths.

This dead horse is still being flogged.

MLM. DOES. NOT. WORK.

No one joining now will ever make the money that was made in the early days.

Scrub that about Yawn’s accounts. Due in March 2026 (has that date changed?).

I've had a look on this property's Rightmove "property sale history" and in 2017 it was bought for £950,000 and before that, in 2005 it went for £716,000. Its only for sale at £150,000 more than eight years ago.

Castle hasn’t made a profit since 2019 on her forever living business. Her planner business only had one year in the black and then was dissolved Many of the business companies have folded without even filing a single set accounts. Her property empire is a small terrace house.

@ItWasnaMeGuvand it’s not a great time to sell a +£1m house that is Listed and has “money pit” stamped all over it (jaundiced listed building owner/slave here). It’s an attractive building but it looks very tired on the outside. No idea if it’s a good price for the area but I think those tapes over the loo seats could be in place for some time!

I wonder where they have moved to? She has a horse at full livery so perhaps they will be bedding down in its stable in their hour of need having arrived on a donkey as the Bentley keys have been seized? The vision almost gets me in a festive mood and humming carols to myself:

Deck the Cells*
The First Noel (behind bars)*
O Come all ye faithful (and hand over your life savings)*
Mistletoe and (hefty HMRC) fine*
Whitewash Christmas - Mantovani
I saw three Ships … they’ve already sailed …
In the Bleak Midwinter (no editing required)
Fairytale of Solihull - The Pogues & Kirsty McCall
It’s beginning to Look a lot like Christmas (is cancelled) - Perry Como
Mistletoe and Whine - Cliff Richard
Santa Bring my Bentley back to Me - Elvis
When a Child is Born (it creates a potential downline) - Johnny Mathis

*adapted from The Messiah Carol Book (no, not THAT Messiah, the one in Dubai)

Methinks Yawn has been making use of filters again recently.

A few days ago her 666 exercise buddy described herself as a larger lady ( can't remember the exact words but that was the gist).

Today they're exercising side by side and "size 10" Yawn looks the same size as her "larger lady" friend.

Something doesn't add up.

On the excuse of a shopping trip, I had a look…it looks very sad and ramshackle

Bloody hell, that's actually really tragic. How could they have let it go to the wall like that? If you know the game is almost up you'd at least do what a lot of the others have done and sell up under the guise of 'downsizing' before you lost your whole house. I wonder if they thought they'd be saved by a fat chairman's bonus cheque on the Paris trip, and when that didn't materialise, the game was up.

Gold Star for you today @ticktock19 ! taking one for the team to the extrmeme!

Imagine that! what a state to be in. Look where their greed and lies have got them, deep the Brown Stuff :).

I have no sympathy for them. They have other properties in her name but this is a big boring blow for them. Couldn't have happened to a nicer couple.