Botwatch 85 the continuing saga of MLM. When 99.6% of people joining MLM are destined to lose money is that an opportunity or a scam?

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I missed the India meltdown, anyone care to summarise?

@dickiedavisthunderthighs yes, of course, the retailing at that discount and the appearance on the leader board are the main signs she's clinging on in some capacity.

It has to be something to do with the friendship with the current wife of the upline's ex-DH. This seems to have been the catalyst but a spat between Huns doesn't seem to explain why FLP have stopped mentioning her, unless Uber and the upline/ex-wife have far more influence than I, for one, thought.

The strange relationship Yawn currently appears to have with FLP seems better explained by her being one of the bots who brought them very unwelcome attention from TiNA. It's like she had to be shown the door for FLP to be able to demonstrate they take income claims seriously. It's the ultimate bot sacrifice to cover up FLP's daily endorsement of the lies that not just Yawn tells.

I have had another look at that TINA report to remind myself who featured other than Yawn. The list now shows which of the posts highlighted by TiNA have been taken down by the bot. There were two offenders from the UK, Yawn and another bot (first name: Sophie Wessex’s daughter, second name: small crustaceans found on the bottom of boats), though she currently lives on a Canary Island much favoured by bots). Crustacean Bot has not mentioned FLP on FB since June and does not mention FLP in her info. Needless to say she is also a coach.

Ooh interesting

FL made them sacrificial lambs to protect their reputation

Crustacean Bot's DH/DP is the brother of Yawn's ex-BFF (it's like a soap opera this BotWatching)

I still think the 48% off group is her hitting her CC's so she can claim the down line payment she gets from their sales. Hence her still appearing on the top whatever lists.

Ooh, just had a look at barnacle bots fb page. She had a visit from a bot at the end of July. No idea what the nickname of this bot is, but she was Ubers room mate in India and her first name is the same as ex glamour model * fox. What’s her bot name?

Yawns now doing a quitting alcohol consumption workshop in her Unlucky group. Her weightloss workshops are questionable with the methods she claims to have used, but this could be downright dangerous if she tells an actual full on alcohol dependant person to go cold turkey like she did (as this is her only experience) she could actually cause real harm, some alcohol dependant people will fit when withdrawing and this can be fatal.

@PieonaBarm exactly. All her advice from quitting alcohol, weight loss advice and her coercion of Scotbot to reveal MH difficulties (along with the topic of suicide) all have potential to cause harm as she does not know her audience and has no ability or motivation to recognise Risk and send people on to qualified support, because that would mean the loss of a customer.

She does all this with no insurance, no risk assessment, no data and privacy concerns. She thinks if she says "I'm not a PT/psychotherapist/addiction specialist/dietitian, I'm just a super soaring flappy pigeon", that that is enough of a disclaimer but it really isn't.

I really hate how yawn is targeting vulnerable people who are alcohol dependent or struggling in general. She has no right to do this. As someone who has struggled and is again starting a new journey to really cut back it's distressing to see what she's doing.

Does anyone really believe that Yawn's getting new clients? I don't..

@AbbeyGrange no, it's pretend. I am using the interest in her Unlucky Club page as my barometer. Interaction had dropped over the last week or so and now Yawn hasn't bothered posting there for three days. This indicates that she has to rely on her FLP followers as no new clients are engaging with her club.

Her problem is that her audience is full of downlines and would be manifesters who have one thing in common, they don't have the spare cash to pay her for coaching and probably don't want to keep giving her £22 either.

If she has got a "high level corporate" client I wonder what she charges for a session of her brand of drivel? I bet none of them come back for a second session. She's still relying on those CCs which must be galling.

Today Yawn mentioned a man who suggested she shouldn’t help people give up alcohol. She says he ruined her faith in humanity. I wish she would see the serious side, I’m sure the man was against it for the reasons above and explained why.

Who has upset Yawn? She's all passive aggressive. She's apparently in the light because she's magical and when you're in the light you're going to cast shadows and the people in the shadows are not going to like that.

Righty ho.

Been reading your reviews on Amazon then?

She looks very stressed on a her vids today.

Yawn, the other dog owner might have turned their back on you and that house horse you have because their dog might be a grumpy little shit that would like nothing more than to hang off your dogs face by its teeth. I would have turned my back on you too, not because I thought you might try to coach me, but because my dog was a little sod with the face of a teddy bear that liked nothing more than to have a go at a big dog, and it was just easier to do that!

Also, the drivel about being in a shadow, you can literally see that her blood pressure is through the roof.

As well as Yawn getting upset about the man who questioned her alcohol abstinence posts she also has a go at a fellow dog owner that dared walk away when she saw Yawn and her giant dog approach.

I live near Yawn and a good friend of mine has a spaniel, it could easily have been them. My friends spaniel was attacked years ago by a "friendly" off-lead dog and is now scared by other dogs so my friend has to be alert when walking her and avoid stressing her dog out by close encounters with other dogs if avoidable.

Why does Yawn think that her dog has the "right" to approach and play with any other dog? Why does Yawn think her way is always right (the alcohol thing)?

The speeded up video with the super cluttered background including plastic foliage?

She lacks a theory of mind

Blimey she looks stressed to the max. She's clearly put weight back on. The beige top has done nothing to hide her back fat (not that I'm saying it's bad) we all have our body quibbles. It's just irritating when she constantly claims she's a size 10, even 8 when cleaning she's bigger.

Yawn really needs to fuck right of now. Utter rubbish posted essentially suggesting if you join her shitty club you will win money. She's really sinking to new lows. Winning on the lottery is a game of chance. Joining your club isn't going to magically make you rich you moronic clown.

The desperation is really showing now...

She is a real danger at this point. Someone really vulnerable will see that and think if l join her l will magically drawn luck and win money whilst losing money gambling. It's actually heinous what she's now doing.

I've just had a look at her latest post, surely there are laws to stop someone making such outrageous claims? Yawn is a total bellend

"I teach you to attract wealth and it just grows and grows and grows" is just a repackaging of the income claims she's been making for years. Same old scam but with a veneer of woo. It's a shame that the repackaging of it will fool a few people even if it won't fool enough people to keep Yawn's head above water.

Why does FLP let her keep a foot in the door. She still has the potential to cause them problems as it's still possible to link her current grift to her ongoing botting for FLP. There is no expense to FLP in severing the relationship altogether. There are plenty of other bots to hoover up her downlines. Is FLP UK suffering so much that it needs Yawn or just needs Yawn on their side as she is a loose cannon and knows where the bodies are buried?

She did that speeded up video of her on a mentor call with a ring light. Surely you don't need that for a 1:1 🤣🤣