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Botwatch 85 the continuing saga of MLM. When 99.6% of people joining MLM are destined to lose money is that an opportunity or a scam?

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YouOKHun · 08/10/2024 19:32

Here is a new thread!

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Spongebobette · 13/11/2024 12:21

Why does she go to Pilates with a full face of makeup?

Spongebobette · 13/11/2024 12:22

TwinklyMoose · 13/11/2024 11:45

Nice ‘winning at Wednesday’ post from Yawn. Apparently she maintains her 6 stone weight loss with Pilates, a ‘bit of weight training’ (jumping around with a 2 kg weight) and basically not eating much. Lunch is a shake.
Surely with all her knowledge she should know that whole foods are best and if you are doing enough proper training they fuel you. Having to constantly under eat and then advocating this is ridiculous especially as desperate people will copy her.
i hear weight loss injections and bands and balloons can reduce your appetite so you have to under eat but of course she hasn’t had any of those it’s pure hard work!

Six and a half stone is the latest claim

TwinklyMoose · 13/11/2024 16:39

Spongebobette · 13/11/2024 12:21

Why does she go to Pilates with a full face of makeup?

I have never ever seen her without a full face of make up brows and all when she did body pump

TwinklyMoose · 13/11/2024 17:57

Spongebobette · 13/11/2024 12:15

But isn’t she a nutritionist now? She was doing a course and everything

She might have forgotten about that because she has been v busy being an author

YouOKHun · 13/11/2024 18:19

And learning Spanish and sign language.

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TwinklyMoose · 13/11/2024 18:34

YouOKHun · 13/11/2024 18:19

And learning Spanish and sign language.

How could I forget. Also being a website designer

YouOKHun · 13/11/2024 18:42

Is this Fierce's pushback on yesterday's negative Insta comments?

"If 𝐲𝐨𝐮’𝐯𝐞 𝐬𝐢𝐠𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐮𝐩 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐞𝐰 𝐚𝐠𝐞 𝐭𝐨𝐱𝐢𝐜 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐢𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐧𝐞𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬: Here’s why you must not listen to or assign to the beliefs of people who tell you it is wrong to become rich and walk a Devine feminine path. Being a 𝐰𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐭𝐡𝐲 𝐰𝐨𝐦𝐚𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐜𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐫𝐞𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧 as a modern day witch. Years of silencing, shaming and sidelining is part of your history because you’re a woman. Whether you resonate with the word witch or not".

Of course, if you put your trust in Fierce silencing, shaming, sidelining and being shafted financially will be your present experience.

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BSintolerant · 13/11/2024 19:26

TwinklyMoose · 13/11/2024 18:34

How could I forget. Also being a website designer

Don’t forget her invitation to serve as a school governor!

We should cut her some slack though. Being an author is hard work and time consuming; there’s nothing more daunting than the tyranny of the blank page. Gathering more blank pages, binding them together to form a book, and calling yourself a published author is the height of Cheeky Fuckery! I’m waiting for the Audiobook version, narrated by Nurse. It’ll be the literary equivalent to John Cage’s 4’33” 🎼🎹🎶 🙉 😉

DeliaDeetz · 13/11/2024 20:42

Despite mentioning and posting the link to the Unlucky Girl group a million times in the last few weeks, Yawn has still only manifested 91 members. Was she not hoping for 1000 by the end of the year?

I don't think it's a coincidence that Uber/2 jags have been on a FL trip this week and Yawn has been posting lots about how amazing her life is etc!

Speaking of Nurse and books...was it August or September that was meant to be the deadline for hers? I'm hoping that since her new job seems to be going so well, she's gonna forget about all the coaching nonsense.

Mielabel · 13/11/2024 20:54

Not been on these threads for a while and had to come back to see what was being said about Yawn’s latest venture, did not disappoint 😂

SnoogyWoo · 13/11/2024 21:58

91 members equates to £2002 a month, not sure I believe she is making that.

YouOKHun · 13/11/2024 22:13

@SnoogyWoo I'm sure she isn't. I bet some of those members (if they're real) have been given a discount or a free place. If she's made c.£2k she must have spent a fair bit of it on photo shoots and possibly her own coaching.

I still think 1st December will be very telling for her and I wouldn't be surprised if the cost of Christmas and the Christmas break means that people decide it's not worth paying for December. Then they realise it's not worth the money and by January Yawn has lost most of the members she's got now. She has already realised that no one is looking at her Unlucky Club page. I wonder what happens if FLP decide they don't want her exploiting her downline in a non-FLP way, presumably they could just take the whole thing away from her completely. Then she is really stuck for Unlucky Club members.

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Mielabel · 13/11/2024 22:56

I’m just not sure why, of all things, Yawn chose to be a LoA/manifestation coach? This is her big chance, her big break from FLP to start afresh, especially when she’s obviously not afraid of getting a bit more into debt to be to finally get ahead. I’m always coming across interesting relatively low-priced franchises for instance and although I sympathise that she may be feeling unemployable there are quite realistic jobs out there, including building yourself up as self employed, that someone could do with low-priced courses (as on Udemy or the like, or even YouTube- I studied to postgrad level but my manager never went to uni at all he just taught himself and proved he was good and got the job). Talking of which, if she set up a YouTube channel for say beauty for the over 40s, while I’m sure its competitive and still a hugely risky idea for money, would even then come off as more sensible and far less cringe than trying to be a manifestation coach.

I am very very anti LoA but even if I was passionate about it I wouldn’t consider it as a side gig because I’d know it just wouldn’t be worth it.

I just don’t understand. What a wasted opportunity.

Crikeyalmighty · 14/11/2024 00:02

@Mielabel yep I posted about this a while ago - I don't get it - there are so many better things to move into if you understand digital marketing and she clearly does

SnoogyWoo · 14/11/2024 07:28

She’s a bit of a lost soul I think. You can’t doubt she put everything into a misguided adventure with FLP hoping it was going to make her rich and be able to pass it down to her kids. After 14 years it’s in ruins and the family has been left with huge debt that’s impossible to clear with the current direction she’s taking. It’s an horrific situation which must be mentally hard to deal with regardless of how she portrays the false life online. Dark moments and dark days exist in the yawn household.

This is what MLM really does, lures you in and then spits you out when it has no more need for you. Worst of all it continuously tells you that if you fail it’s entirely your fault.

Sugarplum48 · 14/11/2024 08:18

TwinklyMoose · 13/11/2024 18:34

How could I forget. Also being a website designer

And marriage councillor, mental health nurse, suicide prevention officer...her list of qualifications is impressive

thetemptationofchocolate · 14/11/2024 10:06

Yes, I recently saw a post from Uber where she pretty much said it's your own fault if you don't succeed in MLM. This idea has been around for decades, and it's so hard to watch people being taken in by it.

Mielabel · 14/11/2024 12:56

It looks like Yawn had to leave anyway. So if she can no longer do MLM, probably feels unemployable and needs to make money and save face, why not something a million times more likely to work that will position her more as a legit business owner than of all things a manifestation coach? I was in her direct downline (though before these threads so didn’t earn myself a nickname) and she might be a lot of things to a lot of people but she never struck me as dim (or remotely woo, for that matter).

Crikeyalmighty · 14/11/2024 13:27

@Mielabel yep- I posted about that - I suspect she wants something thats all about 'her' and has a bit of glam to it-rather than a boring product or service where she will be more accountable and actually have to do some work within set times etc

YouOKHun · 14/11/2024 14:00

@Mielabel has she left FLP altogether? It's not absolutely clear. Towards the end of October she was speaking at a Wednesday night event at HQ though she didn't name the event or mention FLP and they didn't mention her or put her picture on SM after the event. Perhaps both sides had committed to that event as a last engagement. She has also mentioned her Gemstone group as if she is still the upline. Perhaps this is her trying to muddy the water.

You're right about her not being remotely woo, I think the current persona is a low barriers to entry direction she's had to take. She only began talking about it once something had clearly gone wrong with FLP over the summer. It is a massive face saving exercise, not a strategy for earning a living.

She may not be dim as such but she doesn't strike me as very self aware. Her NWM skills are not very transferable and her CV of the last decade is not really credible. I get the sense that she is very delicate and would struggle to manage a role where feedback and criticism is given (however constructive) and where she can't shut down what she doesn't like. She would probably be in a basic role if she was employed and as a business owner outside NWM what could she do? She keeps on demonstrating that she has no idea how to operate outside the world of FLP. There are key elements that are legal requirements in her position as a coach (and for that matter as an upline) that she hasn't put in place which are really basic errors. She's just playing at "business owner".

However, you probably have a very interesting take on her and other FLP people. It's always really interesting and informative to hear the perspective of former insiders!

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dickiedavisthunderthighs · 14/11/2024 14:48

YouOKHun · 14/11/2024 14:00

@Mielabel has she left FLP altogether? It's not absolutely clear. Towards the end of October she was speaking at a Wednesday night event at HQ though she didn't name the event or mention FLP and they didn't mention her or put her picture on SM after the event. Perhaps both sides had committed to that event as a last engagement. She has also mentioned her Gemstone group as if she is still the upline. Perhaps this is her trying to muddy the water.

You're right about her not being remotely woo, I think the current persona is a low barriers to entry direction she's had to take. She only began talking about it once something had clearly gone wrong with FLP over the summer. It is a massive face saving exercise, not a strategy for earning a living.

She may not be dim as such but she doesn't strike me as very self aware. Her NWM skills are not very transferable and her CV of the last decade is not really credible. I get the sense that she is very delicate and would struggle to manage a role where feedback and criticism is given (however constructive) and where she can't shut down what she doesn't like. She would probably be in a basic role if she was employed and as a business owner outside NWM what could she do? She keeps on demonstrating that she has no idea how to operate outside the world of FLP. There are key elements that are legal requirements in her position as a coach (and for that matter as an upline) that she hasn't put in place which are really basic errors. She's just playing at "business owner".

However, you probably have a very interesting take on her and other FLP people. It's always really interesting and informative to hear the perspective of former insiders!

She's still there in some capacity or the other, because she's got a retail group now where she's actively promoting the full range of products at 48% off. It's definitely not a surplus stock sale. Her and Mr Yawn also made the October leaderboards.
I cannot for the life of me work out what's happened, but it has to be something to do with her new bestie being the wife of her direct upline's ex. My guess is they've ganged up, and Uber has taken ex-BFF out of her downline and directly into the ex-wife's.
I would imagine that her "Oh my god I have just met with the most beautiful client" yada yada is just one of her downline. Who she's undercutting on retail.

Spongebobette · 14/11/2024 14:55

I’m actually waiting for Yawn to announce she’s attracted a new amazing MLM into her life

definitelynotabot · 14/11/2024 18:00

Spongebobette · 14/11/2024 14:55

I’m actually waiting for Yawn to announce she’s attracted a new amazing MLM into her life

I am willing to bet that is on the cards. I reckon by Easter at the latest.

Spongebobette · 14/11/2024 18:19

Yawn is claiming she’s so happy! (People who are happy don’t have to keep telling you)

she also claims she has complete time freedom and ‘abundance’

and she’s still got her team (carefully not mentioning the actual words Forever Living!!) and her retail group

and that she had imposter syndrome when she started her new academy. And failed to mention that at the time

she’s so full of contradictions it makes my head spin

OhMyGiddyAunt · 14/11/2024 19:28

Spongebobette · 14/11/2024 14:55

I’m actually waiting for Yawn to announce she’s attracted a new amazing MLM into her life

I'll PMSL if it's a travel one 😆

She's hardly got a great travel track record .... only travelled with FL so has seen very little beyond the inside of rally venues, and had a major public meltdown and bad mouthed Virgin when things didn't go to plan returning from India

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