Botwatch 85 the continuing saga of MLM. When 99.6% of people joining MLM are destined to lose money is that an opportunity or a scam?

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The page that has no interested is the one called "Yawn - Unlucky Girls". Only her original page has any interest but I notice that has been a bit thin too. I suspect people are not signing up for December.

Ah I see thank you

Sleaze and Wig aren't being quite as vocal as normal. Their latest Biolimitless scam seems to be running into countless problems, most likely because those they expected to throw money in aren't, because the Daisy money hasn't been paid (aka it's already gone). Their amazing 3D robot seems to take 25 days to build the outline of a small shed so funnily enough, nobody seems to want to become a 'franchise owner'. Their uppance must surely be finally coming.

Cripes, I bet Mr Yawn is PRAYING her venture brings in the big bucks otherwise his life will be miserable, he must be walking on eggshells whole time..

When Sleaze put himself on the inside of what looked like a freshly printed windowless and doorless outside lavvy (best place for him), it did seem a bit disappointing. He had promised us he was going to "solve the housing crisis" and as the HQ of this scam is within Angela Rayner's constituency, it should have been an easy win. But the housing crisis is hard to solve when all there is to offer is a 3D printed box containing one wanker and no living space.

It's disappointing that if the housing crisis solution is delayed that saving us all from evidence based medicine by providing us with expensive wellness solutions is also starting to go tits up. It had all seemed so credible.

I really hope Wig & Sleaze fall hard. He has some very dodgy friends these days so I wouldn't be surprised if lack of cash won't be his biggest problem. They're not high enough up not to be the losers themselves but it's a shame they take so many others with them.

I wouldn't be surprised if the move to Portugal is because there were more than a few people in Swansea who'd have 'popped round'.

Speaking of people who got out of their depth, where is Broke?! Last seen having got money back from some crypto scammers, promising to share it with other victims, not sharing it and getting Turkey Teef and an Audi instead, and then disappearing. Concrete boots?!?

Broke is more likely to now be residing at HMP Liverpool with free B&B I would imagine

Broke has an Insta page where he claims to be "going from the basement to the penthouse" and is pictured with a big cigar between his turkey teef. Not sure if it's an old profile or not. Possibly a holding page while he goes from from category C to category D rather than from basement to penthouse.

Surely Broke’s going from the basement to the Big House?

After watching this short clip from the Fast Show can you name the bot who has taken her style inspiration from these second rate pan pipers?

No, sorry, it’s impossible to tell

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No idea!
Her sense of style is so awful 😂

So does Yawn not understand secret Santa?

The postcard her running partner “found “ in a pile of leaves while running, can’t have been running that fast if she spotted it. It’s also rained the rain of gods round here so no way would it have been that dry. I also recognised it. I’m sure I’ve seen it in one of Yawn’s placement posts in the past.

BFF is also giving her # shout outs, declaring her love for yawn and what a splendid biffniss laydee yawn is. It's all rather painful to watch.

So headband spent Saturday in a hall trying to sell to the unsuspecting public, her son sat in a corner colouring, he's so lucky she doesn't have a normal job he must love tagging along!

And why is nurse filming her son and herself adding stuff to their trolley in home bargains, seriously what is the point?!

Amazing isn’t how Headband is completely unaware of the irony of her posts

Nurse (describing going shopping as ‘a haul’) is aping influencers like Mrs Hinch and Stacey Solomon

Headband’s wasted Saturday reminds me of a lady with a stall at our local weekly outdoor market. She’s in a really windy spot, usually trying to keep increasingly dog-eared boxes dry. The pile of Avon is the same week after week. I do feel sorry for her (not enough to buy any of that shite though).

I’m hoping she’s an ex bot who’s seen the light, and the message is being hammered home to her with every customer-free cold and windy hour that passes.

I did a stall on a market recently - bit of a one off - and there were 2 MLMs there getting mostly ignored

it was a very busy Christmas market (indoors thank goodness) and it was £40 to have a stall
I had a look round at the other stallholders - one selling sweets in crackers and baubles for 50p or £1, one selling tree decorations for £3 to £5, one selling crystals for a few quid. One selling home made dog treats for £1

they all had customers but tbh I can’t think that they made any profit after paying for the stall

unpacking and packing up their stuff takes time, there’s travel costs and 4 hours sitting there. Not even minimum wage

It reminds me of a woman who I observed for a few hours at a local school Christmas fair. I was helping a friend out who is a ceramicist selling quite expensive items - I mention this as it was at a local prep school and the area of the school we were in was set up as more of a higher end "shopping experience" iyswim. Plenty of money being spent and in a steady stream. Except not for the woman selling Arbonne. It was like there was a force field around her that prevented anyone getting close, it was really marked as everyone else was so busy. A couple of people asked prices of things and recoiled at the answer and move swiftly on. I was told she did the rounds of fairs every year and it was always the same.

That was Christmas 2019 so quite a while ago and things have changed and the sort of event I'm describing has normally shrunk with people having less money to spare. But whether times are good or bad for everyone else, for MLM sellers the times are always bad when trying to sell to genuine customers. You would think they'd examine why no one is interested and why the only people buying regularly are people already participating in the scheme.

The only thing they get out of it is being able to take a photo of their stall (complete with branded tablecloth and leaflets they’ve paid for, plus samples and stock they’ve paid for) so they can tell their upline/ report to the next Zoom training evening that they have been taking action and working their business.
And get ‘recognised’

There's an ex-BSAH bot near me. She was REALLY high up. Thousands in her downline, went to the top bot meetings, her whole world crashed earlier this year when they pulled the plug but she regrouped and joined another MLM, different price range to BSAH so different customer demographic. Made a big thing publically about how a 9-5 wasn't for her.

She's been trying, REALLY hard. Has been doing markets, stalls, workplace events, pamper nights, evenings, weekends, she's been seen on the road at 7am by friends, and has actually admitted she often doesn't make the stall fee back. It's completely unsustainable and I can't see how she's surviving at the moment. Said don't need stock like you did in BSAH yet then sells things she "overbought". There's a bit of karma in there, I know she was fairly ruthless in BSAH, but the human in me feels for her a bit.

What’s her new MLM?

Without being too direct, it can also be bought in a very exclusive department store

@PieonaBarm if it is TS then she joins a long queue of people who couldn't make it work. Did she take her downlines with her? The owners of TS have gone to a lot of effort to try and distance themselves from MLM and bang on about the Knightsbridge corner shop connection and supplying hotels with shower gels etc, so it is strange how many TS bots end up "overbuying".

The only ones who are happy are the ones who treat it very much as a (time consuming) hobby with the occasional bit of pin money.

New Fred

www.mumsnet.com/talk/money-matters/5221849-botwatch-86-the-continuing-saga-of-mlm-when-996-of-people-joining-mlm-are-destined-to-lose-money-is-that-an-opportunity-or-a-scam