Meghan markle ny times article

[stronglikemytea]

Does anyone else find it refreshing to finally see people in the public eye using their platforms to raise awareness on such raw issues?

Two weeks ago i miscarried. And in all honesty i felt so alienated as everyone around you seems to be going for scans or giving birth and your sat wondering why me?

To wake up to read an article written by a woman who has come away from such a strict establishment and speak up about such a heartbreaking experience i find quite comforting and that it is OKAY to speak about such a painful loss.
To think that even though these people who are open to the world and ripped to shreds by the media and trolls, we must remember are still human.

After reading meghans article i am heartbroken for the couple as knowing that same feeling is something i will never forget also. But at the same time i am grateful that she has opened up and made it clear we need to talk more.

For anyone who has miscarried/loss or going through a hard time, you are amazing and strong do not ever think any different xxx

@CoffeeDay

Pretty sure MN have their fingers just hovering above the delete button on this thread...

I give it 3 more hours

That long?

God, how obsessive and devoid of empathy do you need to be to exploit a miscarriage as an opportunity to bash someone? The gleeful comments on Twitter and certain other forums are vile vile vile.

Meghan and Harry have never said they want total privacy or to "shun the limelight". Literally never. In fact the exact opposite. They made clear they left in part to pursue a wider platform to be advocates, and that they only wanted privacy for their child not themselves. The idea that they're going around spouting off about wanting total privacy is just a sheer unadulterated lie invented by the bashers as a way to attack them. It's honestly astounding how lies can become accepted as truth through simple repetition.

And for those who have no idea how the press works, this article would have been in the works and with a fixed release date for weeks if not months. The idea that they suddenly wrote and rushed an article out overnight just because Kate's dog died is not based on logic. And comparing the death of a baby to the death of a dog is just sick.

Glad MN moved the thread from AIBU to Miscarriage.

Maybe people were kinder 40 years ago?

I'm sorry for your loss @stronglikemytea .

However, I don't think miscarriage is a taboo topic.

My children are now adults, but over the years I've heard of many miscarriages, including my aunt who had several, and that was 50 years ago.

I'm not sure why anyone says it's taboo?

I do find it odd that the article was published as it seems to be drawing attention to something in a rather dramatic tone (I wonder if it was ghost written or she was interviewed.)

Compare it with Zara Tindall who only chose to have a very low key announcement (if you can even call it that) after her next child was conceived.

I don't see that was gained by the announcement especially as they spend a lot of time suing the media.

Why would there be a stigma? That's what I don't understand.

Meghan and Harry have never said they want total privacy or to "shun the limelight". Literally never. In fact the exact opposite. They made clear they left in part to pursue a wider platform to be advocates, and that they only wanted privacy for their child not themselves. The idea that they're going around spouting off about wanting total privacy is just a sheer unadulterated lie invented by the bashers as a way to attack them

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They are mine, the pain is mine and my Exs - did we post on facebook - No. Other friends were pregnant, other friends TTC, some had had abortions and have their own guilt around that and people do not know how to respond. It takes time to process and is still being processed.

No one asks if you are OK - because most of the time, no one knows. So to make out that people are callous is not fair.

My BF, after the first finally said - what is your problem after I snarled at her as she moaned about her then 8.5 month pregnancy - exact stage I would have been. I told her.
15 years down the line and it has taken us that long to talk about it - she admits, she did not know what to say, sad for me, guilty that she was still pregnant, embarrassed as she recalled some of the quite harsh things she had said over the previous 5 months ( not her fault -she did not know).
She then said you had more - never told her and she never asked - I could tell. Then I recalled the lets go out for coffee moments - no kids, shall we go shopping etc that had happened. They were perfect.

Miscarriage is not taboo, never has been but it is so personal there is no right or wrong way to deal with it.

Like it or not, there is a stigma. There are people who will roll their eyes and insinuate you should be "over it by now", people who will say that its just akin to a "heavy period and not a real baby", people who will try to minimise or dismiss others grief because they don't view it as valid. Women are out there telling stories about how they were made to feel silly or ashamed for grieving for their lost pregnancy and that they felt people didn't want to hear them talk about it, just because your experience differs to theirs doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I think it’s good to talk about it, I’m just not sure they went public with this for the right reasons.

Can't believe that Miscarriage Shaming is now a Thing - and on a parenting website of all places. Honestly, the woman could invent a cure for Covid and some sadsack people would be on here quick as a flash to nitpick over the timing or the supposed tone.

Her miscarriage is tragic, as is every other loss we suffer. Surely it's positive that we can share these raw experiences to promote empathy and understanding?

Can't believe that Miscarriage Shaming is now a Thing

That is not happening on this thread.

No one is miscarriage shaming.

Comedy overwriting risks the article's point. Are we allowed free speech about the Markles? I thought MN was censoring.

@stairway

I do feel sorry for her and Harry, particularly as there has been speculation about baby no2. I hope they do get to have no2 soon. Miscarriage at her age is sadly extremely common almost to be expected though.

The age comment just isn’t helpful. It feels unkind to those who have lost babies, including me. Older mothers know these risks, you aren’t doing anyone a favour pointing them out, so just don’t please.

I don't understand the vitriol for people who have essentially done nothing wrong or evil. But she's lost a much-wanted child and this is Mumsnet and I've never seen hate poured at a grieving Mum before so I thought ... maybe?

It's trolls.

It's long been known that a group of Meghan obsessives (who run scarily well-organised hate campaigns across dozens of forums, and basically spent almost every waking moment dedicated to attacking Meghan) target Mumsnet and that they use numerous troll tactics like sockpuppeting, astroturfing, doxxing, and most of them are previously banned trolls. Many of them have never posted on MN outside of Meghan threads.

There was a thread last year, started at 1am, within an hour there were four or five pages all tearing Meghan to shreds. I was the one poster defending her. MN later confirmed all the other 4-5 pages of posts, purporting to come from dozens of different usernames, all came from just one IP address. One person even admitted to having been banned from Mumsnet 20 or 30 times, and that she had gone through the entire process of creating a new email address and registering a new Mumsnet account, 20 or 30 times, just so that she could continue to bash and racially abuse Meghan.

There have been incidents where the same person has created the exact same thread, copy and pasted the exact same opening post (some really nasty incendiary statement about Meghan) to half a dozen different forums at the same time.

There's also evidence that there's hundreds of hate accounts on Twitter run by just a dozen or so people.

It's honestly terrifying and I would not be surprised if one of them attacked or tried to kill Meghan. Spending every waking second obsessively hating a celebrity, demonising someone you've never even met, is serious mental illness. They literally do not accept that Meghan is an actual human being.

So wait, we're all sockpuppets on this thread too then?

It's trolls

No it isn't

What a ridiculous, hyperbolic post.

No I'm just saying that's a well-known tactic that the Troll Army use.

It's long been known that a group of Meghan obsessives (who run scarily well-organised hate campaigns across dozens of forums, and basically spent almost every waking moment dedicated to attacking Meghan) target Mumsnet and that they use numerous troll tactics like sockpuppeting, astroturfing, doxxing, and most of them are previously banned trolls. Many of them have never posted on MN outside of Meghan threads

That is incredibly sad. What awful 'people'.

It me @ElspethFlashman. I don't feel strongly one way or another about MM & H. I don't understand the hate, I normally ignore these threads, but having miscarried myself, I read the article and my only comment is that the writing style is a bit OTT.

Other than that I agree it's sad, for her and for everyone who has been through it.

Not me, not It me!