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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Between bootcamps support thread Summer17

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ilovecherries · 25/08/2017 18:42

Previous thread here : www.mumsnet.com/Talk/low_carb_bootcamp/2993416-Pre-summer-Bootcamp-our-last-weigh-in

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FinallyHere · 11/09/2017 22:05

Oh, and steam inhalations with olbas / eucalyptus oil to wake up and frankincense oil when wanting to sleep can also feel very soothing.

C4pinkwheels · 11/09/2017 22:39

Ilovecherries your posts have been making me cry, I really feel for youFlowersFlowersFlowers my hair thinned about 15 yrs ago and I was in a right state. You are so brave discussing it so openly with us, all I can say is that no cause was ever found for my thinning hair and it was very noticeable for about three years but it grew back and it hasn't happened again. I did have fun with wigs and grew my hair long after having it short for years as it was easier to style it in ways that made the thinning less noticeable.

Grah you don't comment on my underwear shots but hubba bubba one where I'm fully clothed, I don't know whether to be insulted or flattered.

Welcome Hugo
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Grimbles* sausage stroganoff just sounds so wrong

Cleareyes sorry you've been struggling of late, but please move away from the carbs you deserve so much better. I will post another picture of Alfie just to cheer you up.

Well I'm sorry I'm not posting much at the moment, I'm furiously trying to finish a quilt for the bride and groom and when I'm not doing that I'm cuddling Alfie.
Two weeks today I acquire a puppy.........HELP!!!!!!

C4pinkwheels · 11/09/2017 22:40

Alfie

Mimosa1 · 11/09/2017 23:05

C4 - that is one ridiculously delicious baby.

Grah - thanks for the link to the exercise thread. I look forward to having a read a bit later.

Turns out that the class I went to was (thankfully) very gentle and I enjoyed it.

My mother is arriving tomorrow for a couple of days. I love her fiercely but boy does she drives me batty, especially around weight related issues. She is slim, elegant and glamorous, which I decidedly am not, and always, always, always comments about my weight, inevitably prefaced by "I promised I wasn't going to say anything, darling, but..." as though I somehow hadn't bloody noticed. She made me feel lousy as a teenager, and even commented that I should lose weight before my wedding, and looking back on some medical records I needed recently, I was 20 bloody kg thinner then with a completely normal bmi and certainly didn't need to lose weight. Aargh aaaargh aaargh. It's massively childish and counter productive of me, but I do get the urge to eat a massive cake/ice-cream/burger in front of her just to be contrary. And... breathe....

Cherry, I hope the new remedy improves things. Chin up.

hippadoppaloppagorillapig · 11/09/2017 23:09

Love Alfie!

ilove it's totally understandable. I'd be the same if it was me. Some people think I'm weird because I say I wouldn't shave my head for a million pounds. There's just something about your hair, isn't there?

I've been koko, been consciously trying to up my calories as exercise has been becoming harder for me since starting IF as I was struggling to hit 1000 calories some days.

Today's food:
L - smoked salami, leftover runner beans, cheddar, followed by koko yoghurt, raspberries, drizzle of almond butter and a couple of crushed pecans.
D - 3 scrambled eggs with butter, green salad

Grah0SoontobeaFitty · 11/09/2017 23:43

Hi C4 sorry I missed the underwear shots, I'd tried to find them but as I have mentioned before some pictures I see and some I don't.

I'll have to try one of the apple devices. I did mention I'd had a drinkie or two and was a bit loose with the thought patterns and keystrokes. forgetting whom my sisters are. Sorry.

On a more on topic note (swiftly changing subject) as the BMI doesn't account for Boob weight would some as bad as BMI assumptions be a good. Body weight - ( Your Cup -A Cup ) then plug that into the BMI Calculator to take the girls size out of the equation.
Example for DD3 165 - ( (h) 2530g - (a) 320g = 2210g about 5lb) = 160
Which means my DD3 is 23.6 and not 24.4.

Which as a generalization and rough guide might be helpful to see your improvements.

Clear comeback to Onederland you can do it, as always remember its only Day 1 of the trail to the new you. KOKO.

Between bootcamps support thread Summer17
Montypulciano · 12/09/2017 06:52

Grah, that's really interesting about the boob calculator. I will try it later as I have big boobs and often feel the must account for a lot of my excess.

C4 that baby is just adorable.

I love, I've had bad hair loss at various times in my life and I feel for you Flowers. I never had it with low carb though so it might be one of those things generally. Sending you a huge hug.

Quietly keeping on here. The odd slip. But only 1 night with alcohol- few glasses of wine - since I started. Hurray. Must watch the carb creep in tea though. Usually only have one cup a day but have had a few in the evening. Still, better than booze I suppose.

Have a good day everyone 😀

Veryflummoxed · 12/09/2017 07:32

Finallyhere so pleased for you and your DH.
C4 you make me laugh. And good job it's a tiny pup so he can share your lap with AlfieSmilefeeling doubly jealous now
Mimosa1 continue to breath deeply and good luck. We've got your back.

StuntNun · 12/09/2017 07:37

Congratulations to your DH Finally, that's amazing progress. It's scary how many people with diabetes are told they need to eat carbs. My FIL is on the top dose of insulin and still eats biscuits, cake and ice cream. Apparently it's fine so long as he injects enough insulin to balance it. Hmm

I think it's totally natural to be upset about the hair loss Cherries. It's such a huge part of our identity. My granny's hair became very thin as she got older and I've always worried that the same will happen to me.

User5trillion · 12/09/2017 08:16

Hi can I join? I have done bootcamp with varying degrees of success over the last 4 years, but was back where I started. I have been doing this on my own for the last three weeks and have lost 9lbs but I am expecting my stall now for a few weeks.

Weirdly something has clicked this time and I don't care as I know I will be doing this for life. Also will be hiding the scales for the next month and doing the trousers of truth ( stunning black velvet that I bought for last xmas and are still unworn)😱

I signed up to diet doctor and I have found that so helpful. I have made a conscience effort to limit protein and dairy and eat only when I am hungry. I have been shocked at how little I am actually hungry and how often I ate because it was meal time.

I now only have a coffee with cream and then an evening meal. I do sometimes eat lunch but I vowed to listen to my body so if I am hungry I eat. Its taking a while for my body to trust me again after subjecting it to vlcds, starvation and carb binges!

I know that I will need to up the veg and therefore carbs in the future but first I need to lose some of my 5st chubba.

Good luck to everyone and I am in awe of peoples successes in light of challenges they face.

C4pinkwheels · 12/09/2017 08:28

Another day of furious sewing to try and finish the wedding quilt, a quick visit to Alfie and I need to do some packing or I risk not being able to go to bed on Wednesday night and I can't risk arriving at the airport with low SATS because they won't allow me on the flight. I still don't have permission to fly but I've jumped through all of the hoops and I'm waiting on a decision from a Danish doctor.
The bride is currently in hospital having collapsed on Friday, she is apparently suffering from anxiety, it's interesting that in Denmark anxiety is considered serious enough to warrant a hospital stay of at least five days she has been given sedation to help her sleep, massage, vitamin infusion, hydrotherapy and access to talking therapy. There has been no shame in posting about it on social media, it's treated as a "real" illness needing immediate intervention, how different from the MH shaming and impossibly long waiting lists in the UK.

Grah no need to apologise, I love receiving compliments on my appearance because it means people are looking at me rather than the wheelchair.

Food today

B. Creamy coffee
L. Salad & 2 hard boiled eggs
D. Chicken & oven roast veg

Over and out - I have sewing to do.

Namaste Bitches #myfatcanpissrightoff

YoLoZammo · 12/09/2017 08:58

finally we all join your woop woop! Fantastic news for your DH.

ilove when I was stressed and wallowing here i was told that this is EXACTLY the place to do it. So don't apologise. We all feel for you. I hope the nourkrin does it's job. And good idea to get the hairdresser to work some camouflage magic in the meantime.

c4 you lucky thing getting lots of Alfie cuddles. I'm so sorry to hear about the bride. Hope she recovers and all is ok. Might this affect the wedding going ahead?

5trillion well done for coming back to this WOE. All strength to your elbow.

Interesting theory and geeky maths grah. I know you are a numbers person but I prefer just to ignore BMI altogether. I weigh daily but don't obsess about the results. My body fat percentage is more relevant I think. But anyway, i will KNOW when I'm at my optimum weight. I will just feel right. There will be enough fat covering my body that I am rounded, no bones sticking out, no tyres round my waist and I will fit size 10 or 12 clothes or maybe even a 14 who knows. I will be able to move around with lightness of foot and boundless energy maybe a bit optimistic here I will not look like a fat person . I will have baggy saggy bits of skin sadly but I will try and tone them into submission. Who cares about numbers, esp BMI (big medical illusion), they don't matter really.

BIWI · 12/09/2017 09:16

@FinallyHere - that's absolutely brilliant news, and I'm so pleased for your DH!

@C4pinkwheels - fingers crossed that you get the ok to fly

@ilovecherries - I'm really sorry that you're feeling so low - but I'm not surprised. I think anyone would feel like you do! I was interested to see that it's happened to you before though. Do you think there's a common trigger? Fingers crossed that the expensive treatment works.

SSS going reasonably well for me, although not quite as strict as I said I'd be Blush. It's more like Bootcamp. But I've been trying various items of clothes on, and things are going in the right direction, I think.

wotabastard · 12/09/2017 09:51

Congratulations @FinallyHere that is fantastic news!

Well I'm on the move again and had a bit of a whoosh I think! 161 lbs this morning! Shock I also dared to measure my waist (my arch nemesis that always is the same not matter what I do) and I've lost 2 bloody inches! Shock Shock

I just can't say thank you enough for you guys. I honestly thought I was destined to be 180lbs for ever. I have struggled so much and now I'm so happy I'm in control and on track!

KOKO!

ilovecherries · 12/09/2017 09:56

Alfie is just lovely. Hope your SATS behave and you get on that plane. Poor Bride, but interesting how it's treated so differently.

Finally, that is just the BEST news :)

BIWI, its nearly 40 years since this happened before, although the loss was much more rapid last time - all the hair was gone in about a month, I could literally create a bald patch by running my fingers through my hair, and it's not as bad this time, in that the back and sides seem to be holding up fairly well. When you initially asked if there was a common trigger, I thought there wasn't because then I was frightened, stressed, distraught, traumatised, and now I'm happy, settled, relaxed, content. However, when I thought about it more, I realise that one common thing was weight loss. Last time though that weight loss was a result of being so overwrought that I couldn't eat, and felt sick all the time. Over a period of about 3 months I dropped from 91/2 stone to 71/2 stone, due to a massive calorie deficit, and went from a normal weight to very malnourished. I never saw the weight loss and hair loss as being linked to each other though (and neither did the doctors, they related them both back to the trauma of the original event, as if they were two separate side effects). This time, all that's happened is weight loss. This time deliberate, eating a good diet (probably much better than before), and given I'm still just over 13 stone, I'm hardly underweight. BUT I have lost a similar amount of weight in a similar time frame.

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TimeIhadaNameChange · 12/09/2017 10:00

cherries - hope things improve for you. I can totally understand why you're so upset, there's nothing to be ashamed about as far as your reaction goes.

C4 - gorgeous baby! Hope you manage to get on the flight and all goes well. Do you need any of us to come and cause a distraction at the airport whilst you smuggle yourself onboard?

Does anyone know how cholesterol reacts to this woe? My mother has just been diagnosed as diabetic and I know this would help, but she has high cholesterol and I know that she'll use that as her main argument against it. That, and the fact she has strong feeling re diet, all against this woe. I know that, when I next see her, she'll complain long and hard that I'm not eating bread, pasta and potatoes, and will argue that I 'need' them to survive. Plus, she's spent the last 30+ years on a low fat diet, and is firmly of the opinion that oils and fats will send you to an early grave. I've had a tiny bottle of olive oil at her house for years which I use when I'm there, but she never touches it as it's 'evil'! So chenging her mindset to accept LCHF will be tricky enough as it is, even more so if she thinks she has a medical reason not to try it.

I'm doing ok. The weekend wasn't entirely carb free (sorry Clear!) but yesterday was much better. DP was, once again, taken by surprise that I wouldn't be eating any roast tatties, carrots or parsnips on Sunday. You'd think he'd understand what LCHF consists of by now, but apparently not!

I'm bracing myself for next week. A friend of ours is visiting, and I'm not really looking forward to it. He's a lovely, generous chap (paid for me to take a long-haul flight to visit him and his family many years ago) but his personality is a tad abrasive. Last time he was here he asked me the same question three times in 15 minutes, each time turning back to DP to ask him something just when I'd started replying to him. And his wife runs around after him all the time, and he expects me to do the same. Plus all this is a lot worse when he's drunk, which he will be, and DP will play up to him when he's had a drink too, so I'll get it from both of them. I only hope DP doesn't bring his other friend back to the house as well. If he wants him round for dinner too I'm tempted to jump on a bus and leave them to it. This other friend mentioned cooking for me over a year ago, and I'm still waiting!!!!!

It will be good for DP to have this friend here, though, so I'm not complaining too much. He saw a mental health nurse yesterday, and was, apparently, completely honest with her, which is a huge step for him. He told me he'd even admitted stuff concerning me, which is totally unlike him to mention to others. [Don't worry, it's nothing bad, though she did start questioning whether he's violent to me, but he's not. It's just unlike him to mention me to people full stop.]

wotabastard · 12/09/2017 10:11

It's tricky isn't it with people's ingrained views, but if a life long low fat diet has got her diabetes and high cholesterol then maybe it's time to do the exact opposite. I'm sure I've read positive outcomes for people with high cholesterol or that it improves good cholesterol.

TimeIhadaNameChange · 12/09/2017 10:30

Thanks wota. If you come across any of the reports could you let me know? It won't be as simple as pointing out that she should try the opposite as to what she's been doing because, as with a lot of people, she's been fairly fluid with sticking to the low fat stuff. IE whilst the fridge will be full of LF yoghurts and spreads, and there's be low-calorie treats in the cupboard, she'd then go and 'sin' and buy herself a treat of some kind, such as a Snickers bar. So she'll be telling herself that her current health issues are caused by all her sinning, and it will just make her more determined to stick to the other rubbish.

ASDismynormality · 12/09/2017 10:33

finally. That's really great re your husband. My friends husband has just been diagnosed with diabetes and been told to reduce his carbs, he is still eating porridge and bananas - there is so much conflicting information.

cherries. Really hope your hair recovers.

StuntNun · 12/09/2017 10:49

Cherries, weight loss is a well-known cause of weight loss and it's likely it was the cause both times for you. Did it happen around three times after you started losing weight both times?

Time in general the lipid profile as a whole improves on low carb although there are some people whose LDL cholesterol does rise alarmingly (probably due to genetic factors). They can still eat low carb though, they just need to get most of their fat from sources such as olive oil, coconut oil, and fish rather than animal fats.

TempusEejit · 12/09/2017 10:50

ilovecherries I suffer from hair loss too, my scalp looks about the same as yours except I have very dark brown hair so it's even more noticeable Sad. I take viviscal tablets which seem to help a bit, and conceal the bald patch with two products - dermmatch on my scalp and toppik fibres on my hair (both off Amazon). I would genuinely not be able to bring myself to leave the house without them.

I've always had thinnish hair (not helped by over 25 years of bingeing and yo-yo dieting) but lost quite a lot of hair when doing the Cambridge diet 9 years ago. It did grow back, but thinner than before. Since then my hair has got just that bit thinner each time I try dieting again. I finally discovered LCHF 4 months ago and again am starting to lose hair...at least this time I feel genuinely confident I can keep up this WOE indefinitely as it's the first time in my life I have gone so long without bingeing or emotional eating. I'm prepared for more hair loss but I'm hoping that if I can keep the weight off this time I can allow my hair proper recovery time instead of the binge/starve cycle I've regularly put it through.

Sorry for the epic delurk!

ilovecherries · 12/09/2017 11:03

Tempus, I appreciate the de-lurk :) Please stay now you've done it. And thanks for the advice, will have a look for both these things.

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TempusEejit · 12/09/2017 11:20

Thanks ilovecherries

Hi everyone Grin I've been meaning to post on here for ages! Wasn't sure about it as I'm not doing SSS - I stay low carb but eat extras such as the odd slice of homemade low carb bread, cupcakes, cheesecake etc which I balance out by fasting occasionally. I started LCHF on 29th May 2017 at 15st 1lb and currently weigh 12st 5. I'm only 5'2" so still pretty hefty but feeling much better about myself already.

Looking forward to getting to "know" you all Smile

C4pinkwheels · 12/09/2017 11:34

Welcome trillion and tempus

I have permission to fly on my ventilator and oxygen that means along with the batteries from my wheelchair and a suitcase of medication, splints and catheters I now have to take my ventilator, power pack, oxygen cylinder and suction machine on board with me. I'm fine and quite calm in situations like this but DH is a flapper and will be in a right state by the time we have boarded. You can look forward to some amusing updates and the LCHF guide to holidays in Denmark.

Veryflummoxed · 12/09/2017 12:02

Fantastic news C4. Have fun.