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Week 5 - Low Carb Bootcamp chat - and we reach the half way point!

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BIWI · 19/06/2017 07:41

Good morning Flowers

So the last thread reached 1000 posts. I don't think that's ever happened on any other Bootcamp! It's a really good sign that everyone is engaged in the process, even if it's not always been from a positive place. If things aren't working for you, please keep reading and posting - even if you just lurk, hopefully the support and advice here will be helpful for you.

But it's a glorious day again, and the sun is shining brightly already and the birds are singing their hearts out. I hope that this translates into positivity and optimism for all of us this week - even if you've been struggling!

Here's the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

We're past the dreaded weeks 4 and 5 now, so hopefully things will start to get going in the right direction, and you should see the weight move downwards - assuming, of course, that you aren't cheating or allowing carb creep.

Good luck everyone

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CaptainBraandPants · 20/06/2017 13:40

Well done Way I wimped out this morning, so will do it tonight whilst the dog licks my face
YoLo I enjoyed your rant. Grin There is a lot of conflicting "advice" reported and often things will be rehashed every few months or so. For example, lot of the evidence around cholesterol and statins show a benefit for people to be on a statin whether their cholesterol is lowered or not Confused We talk about this a fair bit at work. So, is it the anti-inflammatory aspect of the stain that is important, rather than the lowering of the cholesterol? No-one knows. Often, how medical trails are reported in main stream media is biased, simplified or just plain wrong.

Just been enjoying my lunch and pleased that I'm not melting quite so much today.

Lovlies · 20/06/2017 13:46

Hello...can I join in please?
I struggle to lose weight. I lost a stone over a year ago and have managed to keep it off but its so hard. I lost the weight with paleo/low carbish/no dairy. It was relatively easy but I do suffer from disordered eating and at times felt resentful and lost focus regarding not being able to eat "normally". I can lose weight by hardly eating at all but thats no way to live. I dont actually eat alot of food but it seems to me that carbs cause me to gain weight or at least not lose any more. I need to get back on this I think as its the only way I can lose weight and inches. Need to view it as a for life thing .

C4pinkwheels · 20/06/2017 15:01

Lovelies welcome there is a link to the spreadsheet in the first post of this thread. Do some reading and no doubt Biwi will be around later.

Naschkatze · 20/06/2017 15:22

Welcome lovelies.
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Yolo* I too find all the conflicting messages around health and nutrition confusing and annoying. As a primary school teacher the 'eatwell plate' and food pyramids are used a lot to demonstrate a healthy diet and I've always found this a bit odd. I did see a newer version of the plate on a poster in the pharmacy the other day though and carbs were a much smaller proportion.

Food today:
B - iced coffee made with almond milk
S - 2 slices salami
L - Tuna mayo salad, rapeseed oil and lemon dressing
D - Crustless spinach and bacon quiche, brocolli, maybe courgetti, salad.

I've noticed that at the moment I don't have appetite for breakfast (really unusual for me, I used to wake up starving!) but that means I'm hungry earlier than lunchtime and peckish all afternoon. I think I need to plan more substantial brunch/lunches.
Snacks if I need them, mentally planned so I stay away from the dairy: raspberries, a plum, peanut butter, sparkling fruit tea, another iced coffee.

Bibs2014 · 20/06/2017 15:48

Yesterday's menu -

2 eggs
Chicken tikka salad from subway
Halloumi and olive salad
Coffee and cream and 25g dark choc

Today

1.5 eggs, sausage
Halloumi and olive salad
Bolognese and salad for dinner - how lovely it feels to not have to bulk out my bolognese with carrot and celery to save calories!
Coffee and cream and dark choc

ChesterDrawers · 20/06/2017 15:50

Thanks for the birthday wishes everyone, having a lovely day so far. Ended up missing breakfast as the day disappeared on me but had a delicious Greek salad for lunch and a glass of prosecco. Off out for early tea shortly so hoping my resolve holds.

wombattoo · 20/06/2017 16:07

Welcome Lovlies
I don't want to be personal, but I noticed that you mentioned that your eating is 'disordered' and that you don't eat much food. Boot camp recommends eating good foods and plenty of veg. Do you have much weight to lose? (you don't have to answer this obv) Thanks

dustmotesinthesun · 20/06/2017 16:28

Welcome Lovlies.

Am attaching a screenshot of an email i got from the Whole30 team. Hope you can see it all. It's good.

Week 5 - Low Carb Bootcamp chat - and we reach the half way point!
readyforno2 · 20/06/2017 16:28

Happy Birthday Chester! Flowers

Food has been pretty good today

No breakfast
L - veg soup and a small cheese omelette
D - (will be) lamb steaks and salad

Haven't drank enough water yet but I'm sure I will come the end of the day

dustmotesinthesun · 20/06/2017 16:29

Oh yes happy birthday Chester!! Glad you are enjoying the day. I love Greek salad.

hippadoppaloppagorillapig · 20/06/2017 16:40

Happy birthday Chester, hope you have a lovely tea!

B - microwaved scrambled eggs with cheese (yes I know I'm trying to cut down, but there was some ready grated in a box from the other day)
L - avocado, tuna & jalapenos smooshed up together with paprika & microwaved , over salad (would have been lush with cheese, but resisted)
D - was rushing to get out of the house, so just grabbed some plum tomatoes & a small box of greek yoghurt & blueberries.

It's not been so hot here today, so I managed to run 5.1 miles at decent pace, as well as doing my 30 day shred. Feel positively saintly!

C4pinkwheels · 20/06/2017 16:51

810 days to go until GNR 2019 - walking in cast, splints and with crutches - to the end of the drive and back and one circuit of the back garden. About 400 very small steps, I think I need to find my Fitbit.

I also unloaded the washing machine and hung a rather large load that DH had put in to dry in front of the Aga - it took me 45 minutes FFS

#myfatcanpissrightoff #namastebitches

nekobus · 20/06/2017 17:34

Good on you c4! Inspired by your efforts I'm going to get exercising this week, no excuses!!

TheWay thank you for app recommendation Smile off for a look!

Good food day today, working from home in this heat has taken away my appetite. Oh to be in an air conditioned office!

B - flax bread, butter, marmite. Tea and soya milk
L - was running late so grabbed a leftover chicken thigh from fridge. Very filling
D - will be courgetti with meatballs and tomato sauce. Grated cheese on top to up the fat and not too much sauce - only used one tin of toms and added low carb veg to bulk it out there about 4-6 portions in there
S - creamy coffee, 3 meatballs I've pre-cooked for tonight.
Lots and lots of water!

My oven is acting up. Fan oven and it clearly has developed a super hot spot at the back, more on one side but when I took out my meatballs there were a few almost burned ones while the rest were perfect (and I cook them prob once a fortnight this way) do you think it will be fixable??

Kleptronic · 20/06/2017 17:36

Well in C4.

shittymctwatface · 20/06/2017 17:39

Feeling better after my monumental freak out! Thank you to everyone for being so kind.

Breakfast: none

Lunch:broccoli rice, olives, 2x egg mixed with a shed load of butter, few pieces of shredded lamb.

Dinner: pork chop fried in butter and the rest of the broccoli rice, mushrooms, courgette, 50g cheese and chilli oil.

3l water so far
2x black coffee

Enough fat do you think?!

AdalindSchade · 20/06/2017 17:47

B- mushrooms and cheddar
L- avocado and egg salad, yoghurt
D- swede chips, green veg, halloumi, salad
Water - 3l so far (hot)

Welcome newbies, happy birthday Chester!

YoLoZammo · 20/06/2017 18:09

dust what's the Whole30? Did I miss something? Couldn't read the screenshot.

What an educational day I've had, reading all the advice. You lot are such a support group.

I've had a hungry day today. Am I getting enough fat? What's the impact of not getting enough (besides hunger?). You did say keep asking questions!

Breakfast was 2 hb eggs, 4 pea pods and 2 chipolatas and some mayo. And a cream coffee .
Hungry at 11.30am and only ate breakfast at 10am. Managed to delay lunch by having another cream coffee, a teaspoon of peanut butter and a bottle of water.
Ate lunch at 12.30. Ham salad with coleslaw and a sprinkle of cheese.
Hungry mid afternoon so had another cream coffee and 2 spoons of ff yog and 2 strawberries and more water.
Dinner will be about 9pm but I may need to snack before that.
Maybe this heat just makes me more hungry?
Been drinking a fair bit of water

wombattoo · 20/06/2017 18:14

shitty I think 'a shed load of butter' sounds like enough fat Wink

Way to go C4 Star

YoLoZammo · 20/06/2017 18:14

C4 we are with you at every step. Great progress. You sound like once you've put your mind to something, there is no stopping you. Great motivation for us all to get off our arses if we haven't already done so.

I downloaded the 7 minute workout app too and will be doing this before bed and sod the neighbours banging on the wall to complain about the building shaking. I love the high feeling that exercise gives you, but hate the sweatiness and breathlessness of it all. Hey ho I'm already a sweaty panting mess due to the weather, so nothing to lose.

StuntNun · 20/06/2017 18:16

YoLo have you tried egg in a cup? It's just two boiled eggs in a cup with some butter (and salt if you want it) mashed up with a teaspoon. That's a good way to get more fat in. Did you have vinaigrette in your salad or just coleslaw? There's a lot of dairy in your day as well. The combined effect of too much dairy, slightly too many carbs and too little fat could well make you hungry.

BIWI · 20/06/2017 18:17

@YoLoZammo

Breakfast was 2 hb eggs, 4 pea pods and 2 chipolatas and some mayo

Some mayo? How much? Did you check the carbs in the chipolatas? And how did you cook them? It could be that you've had more carbs than you anticipated, and not enough fat.

Hungry at 11.30am and only ate breakfast at 10am.

Well this certainly indicates that you're not eating enough of something! On the quantity front, your breakfast sounded OK - but it could be that there wasn't enough fat (or too many carbs). How much water had you had up until this point?

Ate lunch at 12.30. Ham salad with coleslaw and a sprinkle of cheese.

There's definitely not enough fat going on here. And do you know how carby you coleslaw was? They can be surprisingly high. Why only a sprinkle of cheese?! This was an opportunity to add much more fat to your lunch.

Hungry mid afternoon so had another cream coffee and 2 spoons of ff yog and 2 strawberries and more water.

I think what you're doing by constantly snacking is pushing your blood sugar levels up, so your insulin response is kicking in, which pushes your blood sugar levels down, which makes you feel hungry.

Been drinking a fair bit of water

How much? You've only mentioned one bottle!

If I were you, I'd look carefully at how carby all the things are that your'e eating - it could be surprisingly high - and aim to replace some of the carby elements with more fat/more fatty protein.

And certainly look at how much water you're drinking.

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dustmotesinthesun · 20/06/2017 18:19

Sorry you couldn't read it. I'll paste it here then explain in the next post. It reassured me.

Dear Whole30 Community,
The entire internet is freaking out over the recent USA Today article with (yet another) sensationalist, attention-grabbing headline: Coconut Oil Isn’t Healthy. It’s Never Been Healthy. And now you’re wondering, is that tablespoon of MCT oil in my coffee or the coconut oil I’m using to scramble my pastured, organic eggs ACTUALLY BAD FOR ME?
Calm down. Let’s take this article section by section.
First, consider the source—the American Heart Association. The same people who are STILL saying, (and I quote the lead author of the study), “There’s nothing wrong with deep frying, as long as you deep fry in… vegetable oil.”
Yeah, he said that. I couldn’t believe it either.
This is the same organization who certified Count Chocula cereal as “heart healthy,” still pushes margarine over real butter, and says all saturated fat will kill you dead, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Overwhelming.
Second, this report isn’t saying anything new. They just “reviewed existing data” on saturated fat and restated the American Heart Association’s position that saturated fat will give you heart disease. And coconut oil is really high in saturated fat. That makes coconut oil bad, hashtag logic.
The lead author, again: “…No idea why people think coconut oil is healthy. It's almost 100% fat.” That’s exactly what he said. Not “It’s really high in saturated fat…” He’s dissing it because it’s fat.
This is who we’ve been taking dietary advice from. ANYWAY.
This analysis was based on observations that saturated fat can increase LDL cholesterol (“bad” cholesterol), which continues to lead them to the conclusion: "Because coconut oil increases LDL cholesterol, a cause of CVD [cardiovascular disease], and has no known offsetting favorable effects, we advise against the use of coconut oil.”
I’m not sure where to start with this.
As we explain in detail (starting on page 147) in It Starts With Food*, an increase in calculated LDL cholesterol doesn’t actually tell you much about your risk for heart disease. Context matters, and total cholesterol doesn’t give you the whole picture. Two people with the same cholesterol numbers can have very different risk factors, based on their levels of systemic inflammation, dietary habits, and lifestyle.
*You’re going to want to re-read two sections of my first book: the cholesterol discussion referenced here, and the section on saturated fat starting on page 167. This will give you a solid baseline on this topic.
Think of it like the scale. Say you overhear someone say they gained five pounds recently. Should you assume this is a bad thing, and that weight gain has made her less healthy? If you were the American Heart Association, you would… but what if she’s pregnant? What if she was underweight to begin with? What if she’s weight training and it’s five pounds of muscle? Without context, you can’t jump to any conclusions… and it’s the same with an increase in calculated LDL.
Context. Matters.
How healthy is your gut? How calm and balanced is your immune system? What does your HDL look like? What is your LDL particle size? What is your triglyceride number? In fact, the current science says the best predictor of heart disease isn’t your calculated LDL “bad cholesterol” number… it’s your triglyceride to HDL-C ratio.
The takeaway: if eating lots of coconut oil raises your LDL, that isn’t automatically a bad thing.
Even if you didn’t believe this—even if you still thought an increase in calculated LDL was problematic all by itself—there’s this: definitively, it’s been shown that dietary intake of saturated fat is not associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular disease. Oh, and this study came out in 2010, and it’s a meta-study (like the mother of all studies), encompassing a review of nearly 350,000 subjects.
I’ll let that sink in. Dietary intake of saturated fat is not associated with heart disease or heart attacks. And we’ve known this since at least 2010.
So why is the American Heart Association still telling us to replace healthy forms of saturated fat (like unrefined coconut oil or pastured, organic butter) with highly processed, PUFA-rich, pro-inflammatory vegetable oils?
Fact is, they continue to churn out this same bad conclusion based on the same bad, tired data from the 1960’s. (P.S. And then in this article, they go on to confuse things by talking about weight loss and the percentage of medium-chain triglycerides in coconut oil. Um, what? Saying, “Coconut oil isn’t as effective as 100% MCT oil for weight loss” might be true… but that’s NOT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT… and that has nothing to do with their claims that saturated fat is universally bad.)
The Summary
Here’s my take: if you like it, continue eating coconut oil as part of your diverse, well-rounded, healthy Whole30 or food freedom diet. Don’t mainline it. Don’t make it your only form of added fat. Include a variety of fats, like stuff we all agree is heart-healthy (like extra-virgin olive oil, olives, avocados, and avocado oil).
But don’t be afraid of including healthy forms of saturated fat from butter or coconut oil as part of your anti-inflammatory diet and healthy lifestyle. Do we really have to keep repeating ourselves here?
If you want an authority on the subject (read: someone with letters after their name), I’ll finally point you to Dr. William Davis’ (Wheat Belly) take on the subject. If you want to read an opinion from another leading authority, here’s what Gary Taubes (Good Calories, Bad Calories) has to say. Several functional medicine doctors also weigh in on this mindbodygreen piece. Here's the perspective of registered dietitian and nutritional therapy practitioner Diana Rodgers. And if you want another layman’s opinion (spoiler: they also agree with me!), here’s what Gizmodo wrote.
Thank you for placing your trust in me, and in the Whole30 program. I’ll always do my best to stay openly communicative, up-to-date on the research, and willing to critically review our recommendations to make sure they truly are in your best interest.
Best in health,
Melissa

wombattoo · 20/06/2017 18:19

Yolo I don't know what you weigh, but check out the spreadsheet to see how much water you need to be drinking.
Peas are quite carby - I'm not sure about the pods! I would also check what is in the chipolatas. Most sausage is quite carby (and full of crap) unless it is the high meat percentage ones.
I would cut out the creamy coffee and add olive oil to your salad. Is your coleslaw home made?

wombattoo · 20/06/2017 18:20

x post with BIWI sorry

dustmotesinthesun · 20/06/2017 18:27

Yolo the Whole 30 is really similar to low carb. It's a 30 day strict Paleo challenge. The idea behind it is more than weight loss- it's to see which foods are affecting your health. So you eat meat, fish, veggies, fruit and lots of healthy fats for 30 days (no dairy alas or legumes and of course no grains or sugar!). After that you reintroduce other foods to see how they make you feel.

It's how I got into low carbing. It's slightly higher carb (although doesn't have to be. You eat what you want, Lots of people do it and stay v low carb) - but the focus if you do eat more carbs is on starchy veggies like sweet potato and carrot.

In some ways I am a huge fan because it looks aggressively at every bite you put in your mouth and how that affects you. In the 4 years since I did my first whole 30 I've read hundreds of peoples' stories - it clears up eczema, asthma, gets rid of chronic pain, anxiety....the list is literally endless. It's extraordinary. I literally never realised the link between food and health before I did it. It's drastically got my pain levels under control but hasn't helped my fatigue.

What I don't like about it is it's v strict. It can trigger binging. It doesn't focus enough on carb amounts perhaps. People find it almost impossible to do a second one because of how strict it is. And....dairy is the food of gods of course. Plus realistically if you need to stick to a woe it has to be sustainable and Whole 30 really isn't. I don't think they've addressed enough how much it can push people into binging. But I'd always recommend people look into it. I learnt a lot doing it. You can be doing Whole 30 and low carbing at exactly the same time - you'd just be that much more careful about eating commercially prepared boullion or mayo or bacon and stuff - trace ingredients count in Whole 30.