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Terrified of losing children 😞

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charM89 · 14/08/2026 19:03

Okay here's my story any advice please...
I'm private renting, our landlord is evicting us for 2 reasons...
he's selling (no argument ofcourse I understand he needs/wants to sell)
ground 13- we have deteriorated the condition of the property (this one I'm arguing here's why)
We have lived in the property for 10 years, we have had many structual repairs that needed doing, I approached the landlord who told us that due to us not ventilating property it's caused the damp and mould.
I went and bought dehumidifiers, opened windows etc... cleaned all the mould off however the mould would always return!
I called environmental health round an improvement notice was served to the landlord, he was advised of every repair that himself as a landlord needed to fix!
However this was not followed up as the envirmental health officer at the time passed away.
However the landlord was still aware of the problems and chose to not do them!
I contacted environmental health again recently as the damp,mould and other issues were still not resolving no matter how much we cleaned the mould or using a dehumidifier.
A new improvement notice was served to the landlord.
He has now issued us with a section 8 notice using grounds 1a and 13 :(
Again I'm not arguing that he needs to sell, but ground 13 I find extremely unfair as most of the condtion of this property is down to him!
He is now also increasing our rent :(
Ofcourse there are days we forget to open windows and we don't always keep the home to a high level of cleaning, I have depression and anxiety (have done since my son passed) my partner is autistic our 4 year old is autistic and I have a typical teenager!
If we're found to be intentionally homeless due to ground 13 the council won't help us and we are passed to social services which could mean we lose our children :(

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charM89 · 18/08/2026 21:20

Eviction26 · 18/08/2026 21:12

I'm not shocked

It's wrong! The landlord says "we've been concerned over the deterioration of the property in the last few years"

Why not contact me! Why not do an inspection he never done a thing!

Because I went to environmental health he has an improvement notice and then BANG I'm evicted!

I'm sorry but environmental health do this daily, if they say there is category 1 hazards in the home, I believe them!
Water dripping in from roof slats missing thats a landlord issue!
Insulation in the roof (there should be atleast 200mm) there was none!
If we're heating the home the heat is escaping through the roof!

I bought dehumidifiers, I cleaned the mould! It came back no matter what we did!

Landlords will always blame tenants! I never said our home was overcrowded with stuff (far from it) we keep nothing against walls to allow ventilation!

I'm not perfect but I do everything to stop damp and mould!

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Eviction26 · 18/08/2026 22:02

charM89 · 18/08/2026 21:20

It's wrong! The landlord says "we've been concerned over the deterioration of the property in the last few years"

Why not contact me! Why not do an inspection he never done a thing!

Because I went to environmental health he has an improvement notice and then BANG I'm evicted!

I'm sorry but environmental health do this daily, if they say there is category 1 hazards in the home, I believe them!
Water dripping in from roof slats missing thats a landlord issue!
Insulation in the roof (there should be atleast 200mm) there was none!
If we're heating the home the heat is escaping through the roof!

I bought dehumidifiers, I cleaned the mould! It came back no matter what we did!

Landlords will always blame tenants! I never said our home was overcrowded with stuff (far from it) we keep nothing against walls to allow ventilation!

I'm not perfect but I do everything to stop damp and mould!

I feel like it screams out revenge eviction.

Your landlord was only interested in rent money. Nothing else. Thats why he ignored environmental health.and ignored repairs.

charM89 · 18/08/2026 22:08

Eviction26 · 18/08/2026 22:02

I feel like it screams out revenge eviction.

Your landlord was only interested in rent money. Nothing else. Thats why he ignored environmental health.and ignored repairs.

The report even says

This home has minimum insulation!

It's cruel from the landlords honestly, if you cannot and refuse to look after a property then don't become a landlord!

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hds873banana · 18/08/2026 22:45

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hds873banana · 18/08/2026 22:49

charM89 · 18/08/2026 21:20

It's wrong! The landlord says "we've been concerned over the deterioration of the property in the last few years"

Why not contact me! Why not do an inspection he never done a thing!

Because I went to environmental health he has an improvement notice and then BANG I'm evicted!

I'm sorry but environmental health do this daily, if they say there is category 1 hazards in the home, I believe them!
Water dripping in from roof slats missing thats a landlord issue!
Insulation in the roof (there should be atleast 200mm) there was none!
If we're heating the home the heat is escaping through the roof!

I bought dehumidifiers, I cleaned the mould! It came back no matter what we did!

Landlords will always blame tenants! I never said our home was overcrowded with stuff (far from it) we keep nothing against walls to allow ventilation!

I'm not perfect but I do everything to stop damp and mould!

Because if you insulate the roof space it will add more moisture!! Why can’t tenants understand basic science. The old houses are designed to BREATHE including through the roof space. If you insulate the roof, the hot air will hit the insulation, and pool back down. I bet the house is old. Do you think the victorians lit the open fires and then insulated the roof? No. For good reason!

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Have your opinion love honestly it's laughable! Think I'll be believing environmental health over a landlord who is aggressive arrogant and doesn't want to take any responsibility!

The guy don't even inspect his property! Only times he comes here is when environmental health are involved, yeah that's a landlord who's concerned about his property!

Again he gave us 2 section 21 notices both were invalid if he had done it right then we would have been out by now!

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hds873banana · 18/08/2026 23:05

charM89 · 18/08/2026 21:20

It's wrong! The landlord says "we've been concerned over the deterioration of the property in the last few years"

Why not contact me! Why not do an inspection he never done a thing!

Because I went to environmental health he has an improvement notice and then BANG I'm evicted!

I'm sorry but environmental health do this daily, if they say there is category 1 hazards in the home, I believe them!
Water dripping in from roof slats missing thats a landlord issue!
Insulation in the roof (there should be atleast 200mm) there was none!
If we're heating the home the heat is escaping through the roof!

I bought dehumidifiers, I cleaned the mould! It came back no matter what we did!

Landlords will always blame tenants! I never said our home was overcrowded with stuff (far from it) we keep nothing against walls to allow ventilation!

I'm not perfect but I do everything to stop damp and mould!

You’re going to have a bloody shock if you ever buy an old house yourself and replace all the radiators in the house (for around £10,000) to find you still have mould. But crack on.

hds873banana · 18/08/2026 23:08

The landlord is not revenge evicting. He knows that if he replaces all
the radiators and insulates that it won’t do a thing. In fact, some of the actions will actually make the house worse. Thereby forcing him/her to sell. The mould is down to you. He/she knows he can’t make you change the way you live in the house so he/she has to cut their losses. This is your fault.

Eviction26 · 18/08/2026 23:09

hds873banana · 18/08/2026 18:01

Roof leaks are an easy fix and don’t generally cause mould on the walls. A roof leak is REALLY obvious if it gets to say the top of a bedroom wall. It doesn’t generally cause ongoing mould. And even if a roof was leaking in some areas, unless it was a literal hole in your roof and pouring in, it wouldn’t cause enough condensation to result in mould in the bedroom. A landlord would never leave a huge roof leak because it would cost them too much long term. It’s because the landlord knows that their efforts to fix the roof would be in vain until you are out the property.

But you keeping for example an overcrowded untidy and unclean bedroom, not opening windows for a substantial amount of time every day, not respecting the integrity of the building materials the house is built with depending on the age of the property - they know THAT is the cause of mould. Fixing the roof won’t fix the mould. Your actions need to change, to fix the ongoing mould and they know with you having lived there a long time, that you are never going to change the way you live in the house, so they are selling before you cause structural damage to it that they can’t reverse.

The red flag 🚩 from your posts was your comment that you don’t keep the house perfectly tidy. Or words to that effect. My ex tenants said this ALL the time. I’d turn up to do the physical inspection and be vomiting almost from the stench and way they lived. Yet they’d stand in front of me and claim it was a ‘standard’ level of hygienic. What this always meant in reality was they happily lived in squalor. Overcrowded rooms with too much furniture, clothes everywhere healed on floors, stuffed up against walls (stopping air circulating and stopping brickwork from breathing) , windows shut, cooking with windows shut, showering with windows shut, pets, pets urinating on floors, dust and grime, toilets never cleaned etc etc. A landlord never wants to get rid of a good tenant - because they are like rocking horse shit. I imagine they are just at their wits end and know the damage to the house is going to get worse if they don’t get you out. My advice to you is, that when you find a new place, make a real effort to uphold basic standards of hygiene and cleanliness. And open the windows every single day for a minimum of two hours.

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You said your a landlord here you used the words my tenant's

charM89 · 18/08/2026 23:11

hds873banana · 18/08/2026 23:08

The landlord is not revenge evicting. He knows that if he replaces all
the radiators and insulates that it won’t do a thing. In fact, some of the actions will actually make the house worse. Thereby forcing him/her to sell. The mould is down to you. He/she knows he can’t make you change the way you live in the house so he/she has to cut their losses. This is your fault.

My fault are you alright? Or just an angry ex landlord?

When an enviromental health professional clearly states this is not our fault, I believe him over some bitter person online!

The mould covered one half of the ceiling due to the roof leaking, that's a lot of mould just for "not ventilating"

Have a word!

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hds873banana · 18/08/2026 23:17

charM89 · 18/08/2026 23:11

My fault are you alright? Or just an angry ex landlord?

When an enviromental health professional clearly states this is not our fault, I believe him over some bitter person online!

The mould covered one half of the ceiling due to the roof leaking, that's a lot of mould just for "not ventilating"

Have a word!

I can’t help you any longer. Good luck. You are going to need it. I’m out of this thread.

Windswept1 · 18/08/2026 23:17

If I were you I would also challenge the rent increase. The condition of the property will factor in the FTT's determination of the open market rent.

charM89 · 18/08/2026 23:20

Windswept1 · 18/08/2026 23:17

If I were you I would also challenge the rent increase. The condition of the property will factor in the FTT's determination of the open market rent.

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Well apparently the condition of the property is my fault :(
I don't know what to do honestly, I ventilate us dehumidifiers I have no furniture against any external walls what more can I do!

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charM89 · 18/08/2026 23:20

Windswept1 · 18/08/2026 23:17

If I were you I would also challenge the rent increase. The condition of the property will factor in the FTT's determination of the open market rent.

Edited

Well apparently the condition of the property is my fault :(
I don't know what to do honestly, I ventilate us dehumidifiers I have no furniture against any external walls what more can I do!

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Windswept1 · 18/08/2026 23:24

When did he serve you notice of the increase? Did he send it by post?

charM89 · 18/08/2026 23:33

Windswept1 · 18/08/2026 23:24

When did he serve you notice of the increase? Did he send it by post?

He gave me a form, I'll pay the increase! I don't care I just want out of here asap I'm looking for another private rent but it's not that easy

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Windswept1 · Yesterday 12:38

Hi OP

We’ve chatted over PM, but I’m updating the thread too so you have everything in one place and in case in benefits anyone else supporting you.

Current notice seeking possession

You’ve received a notice seeking possession. This is not an eviction notice. It is simply your landlord saying he wants the property back by 1 December. He relies on two grounds:

  • ground 1A: that he wants to sell the property
  • ground 13 that the property has fallen into disrepair by you not ventilating

He has provided no evidence for the disrepair allegation, just a bare assertion.
This notice requires you to leave by 1 December. From what you’ve told me, it appears to be valid, but if you have any doubts, ask the homelessness officer to check it.

As the notice itself explains (see the comments on the right-hand side by section 2.1), the landlord cannot apply to court for possession until after 1 December. Before that date, it is not a court matter, it is simply a notice.

The landlord can only apply to the court for possession from 2 December if you do not leave. Possession claims fall into two categories: mandatory and discretionary.

Ground 1A (intention to sell) is mandatory. That means the court has to grant possession for that ground so long. as there is proof of a genuine intent to sell and you are not in the first 12 months of the tenancy.

Ground 13 (property fallen into disrepair) is discretionary. The landlord has to prove his case and ieven if he does, the judge will only grant possession for this ground if he considers it reasonable to do so.

Once the landlord makes an application for possession (assuming you dont leave), you will be served with summons papers. Once received you have 14 days to defend. This is where you would include your evidence to rebut Ground 13. CAB can help with this.

However, note that a landlord is expected to provide details on the notice form. Merely writing 'not ventilating' is not enough. He might well seek to flesh that ground out when he applies for possession but a court will not take kindly to him ambushing you that way. Any evidence he has should be presented to you on the notice itself so you have an opportunity to consider that when deciding whether to leave. So that alone will cause him a pretty big hurdle notwithstanding your EH evidence to rebut the allegation. I would be very surprised if a court granted possession on that ground.

In any event, there is no risk of any finding if you leave before the court hearing. The average time at the moment for a court hearing following a possession claim filed by a landlord is around 4-8 weeks. CAB will have an idea what it is for your area.

Leaving by 1 December

My suggestion is that you do everything you reasonably can to leave by that date, because remaining beyond it will significantly increase your anxiety.

If you cannot secure a private let by then, tell the council clearly that you want temporary accommodation under the relief duty from 1 December. Explain that:

  • it is not reasonable for you to remain once the landlord wants to sell
  • the situation is impacting your mental health
  • staying risks court action, costs, a CCJ, and future referencing problems

Get supporting letters from your GP, mental health worker, or social worker.

Council assistance before 1 December

Before you reach the 56‑day point of your notice expiring (i.e. you are legally threatened with homelessness), the council’s duty is only to provide general advice and assistance. It sounds like they are doing that.

They may start some of the formal work early, but they are not obliged to until you are within 56 days of 1 December – which I think will be circa 6 October.

Council duties once you are within 56 days of 1 December

Once you are within 56 days of 1 December, you are legally threatened with homelessness, and the council must:

  • make enquiries into what duties they owe you
  • open the prevention duty
  • draft a Personalised Housing Plan (PHP) setting out what they and you will do to prevent homelessness

The enquiries will cover:

  1. Do you have priority need — there are children in the household, so you do
  2. Are you intentionally homeless — they do not wait for a court hearing. They make their own assessment based on the facts they have.

They look at these questions because they determine:

  • whether you are entitled to interim accommodation at the point you become homeless (under the relief duty)
  • whether they owe you the main housing duty (settled accommodation)

There is no express deadline under which the council must complete its enquires but the Homelessness Code of Guidance makes clear that they should be completed as soon as possible and ideally within the 56-day window. It is very likely they will complete enquiries before 1 December, so you should know in advance whether they consider you intentionally homeless. Even if they have not completed enquiries by then, that does not prevent entitlement to temporary accommodation under the relief duty once you are homeless – that is owed if a person is homeless and in priority need.

Intentional homelessness

The council has already indicated they are unlikely to find you intentionally homeless. Based on what you’ve said, and assuming your environmental health documents support your position, it is very hard to see how they could.

Pass all your evidence to the council.

If they do find you intentionally homeless, appeal immediately through the s.202 review process. Shelter/CAB can help you with that.

Once a council decides you are not intentionally homeless

Once the council has completed enquiries and made a formal decision that you are not intentionally homeless, that decision is final unless:

  • there is a material change in circumstances, or
  • the decision was based on incorrect or incomplete facts

Neither applies here. The council already knows the landlord has made an allegation about ventilation. Even if, in the extremely unlikely event, a court later agreed with the landlord, that would not allow the council to reverse a non‑intentional finding already made.

Things to do now to manage anxiety

Get your ducks in a row:

  • Make sure the council has all evidence rebutting the landlord’s claim about ventilation.
  • Make the council aware of your anxiety and any other household medical needs.
  • Get supporting letters from GP, mental health worker, social worker to support that you need the matter dealt with swiftly and to not be expected to stay beyond 1 December.
  • Keep a simple timeline of events so you feel organised and in control.

If it helps you feel calmer, make a plan for the worst‑case scenarios, even though they are very unlikely.

Worst‑case scenarios up to 1 December

  • You cannot find a private let - ask the council for temporary accommodation under the relief duty from 1 December or stay with parents if that feels safer.
  • Council completes enquiries before 1 December and finds you intentionally homeless - appeal the decision (Shelter and CAB can help) and ask to be accommodated under the relief duty from 1 December until the appeal has concluded.

Worst‑case scenarios after 1 December

  • Council finishes enquiries after 1 December and concludes you are intentionally homeless - they must continue to house you for a reasonable period. Continue looking for a private let. Appeal the decision (Shelter and CAB can help).
  • You do not leave and the landlord applies to court - leave by 1 December or at the very least before hearing date once known.
  • You don't leave before the hearing and are served with summons forms - provide your evidence in the defence form.
  • You do not leave before the court hearing and it adds the disrepair allegation to the possession order i.e. finds in the landlord's favour - this does not allow the council to reverse a previous non‑intentional finding so has no impact.

Referral to social services due to intentional homeless finding

See previous advice from rosefield that this will not mean your children are removed.

charM89 · Today 18:38

I had a meeting with the landlord today, who has said he has pictures of the messiness and clutter in our home.

We have now cleaned this, however if he uses these photos in court I'm screwed :(

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Eviction26 · Today 18:48

charM89 · Today 18:38

I had a meeting with the landlord today, who has said he has pictures of the messiness and clutter in our home.

We have now cleaned this, however if he uses these photos in court I'm screwed :(

I would tell him to do any communication over email. You don't have to see him in person if you don't want to. Also email gives you a paper trail when we're the photos taken? And messiness and clutter doesn't automatically = damage.

Eviction26 · Today 18:50

charM89 · Today 18:38

I had a meeting with the landlord today, who has said he has pictures of the messiness and clutter in our home.

We have now cleaned this, however if he uses these photos in court I'm screwed :(

Sorry i misread. So he said he has pictures but didn't show you?

charM89 · Today 18:56

Eviction26 · Today 18:50

Sorry i misread. So he said he has pictures but didn't show you?

Yeah I haven't seen the photos he has just said he has them and using them in court :(

We had early help here here today who have said they don't have a concern over the cleanliness of the home.

But if he uses these in court and wins, we are intentionally homeless and social services will then think we can't look after our children :(

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Eviction26 · Today 19:11

charM89 · Today 18:56

Yeah I haven't seen the photos he has just said he has them and using them in court :(

We had early help here here today who have said they don't have a concern over the cleanliness of the home.

But if he uses these in court and wins, we are intentionally homeless and social services will then think we can't look after our children :(

No social services will not think that. If there was a concern early help would have passed it on to social services. That hasn't happened.

And a poster up thread explainrd to you that the court won't be impressed if he tries that. Hes meant to pass all evidence before hand not on the day.

When did he take pictures if he didn't do checks?

charM89 · Today 19:45

Eviction26 · Today 19:11

No social services will not think that. If there was a concern early help would have passed it on to social services. That hasn't happened.

And a poster up thread explainrd to you that the court won't be impressed if he tries that. Hes meant to pass all evidence before hand not on the day.

When did he take pictures if he didn't do checks?

He was painting in my the bedroom and I guess that's when he took the photos, however we've cleaned this now so on the day of court I'll show up to date photos.

He's claiming that workers have sent him letters to say they couldn't do the work in the room due to health and safety from the messiness and clutter however he hasn't given me notice in order for me to clear the room

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hds873banana · Today 20:36

charM89 · Today 19:45

He was painting in my the bedroom and I guess that's when he took the photos, however we've cleaned this now so on the day of court I'll show up to date photos.

He's claiming that workers have sent him letters to say they couldn't do the work in the room due to health and safety from the messiness and clutter however he hasn't given me notice in order for me to clear the room

Why would you expect another grown adult to have to parent you and manage you into cleaning your room? He’s a landlord, not your father. Going off a decade of experience of this, if the workers refused on H&S grounds it was squalor. Workers have already turned up and incurred costs getting to the property. It’s to be extremely bad for them to withdraw from the job as they lose income.

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