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Terrified of losing children 😞

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charM89 · 14/08/2026 19:03

Okay here's my story any advice please...
I'm private renting, our landlord is evicting us for 2 reasons...
he's selling (no argument ofcourse I understand he needs/wants to sell)
ground 13- we have deteriorated the condition of the property (this one I'm arguing here's why)
We have lived in the property for 10 years, we have had many structual repairs that needed doing, I approached the landlord who told us that due to us not ventilating property it's caused the damp and mould.
I went and bought dehumidifiers, opened windows etc... cleaned all the mould off however the mould would always return!
I called environmental health round an improvement notice was served to the landlord, he was advised of every repair that himself as a landlord needed to fix!
However this was not followed up as the envirmental health officer at the time passed away.
However the landlord was still aware of the problems and chose to not do them!
I contacted environmental health again recently as the damp,mould and other issues were still not resolving no matter how much we cleaned the mould or using a dehumidifier.
A new improvement notice was served to the landlord.
He has now issued us with a section 8 notice using grounds 1a and 13 :(
Again I'm not arguing that he needs to sell, but ground 13 I find extremely unfair as most of the condtion of this property is down to him!
He is now also increasing our rent :(
Ofcourse there are days we forget to open windows and we don't always keep the home to a high level of cleaning, I have depression and anxiety (have done since my son passed) my partner is autistic our 4 year old is autistic and I have a typical teenager!
If we're found to be intentionally homeless due to ground 13 the council won't help us and we are passed to social services which could mean we lose our children :(

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charM89 · 20/08/2026 20:46

hds873banana · 20/08/2026 20:36

Why would you expect another grown adult to have to parent you and manage you into cleaning your room? He’s a landlord, not your father. Going off a decade of experience of this, if the workers refused on H&S grounds it was squalor. Workers have already turned up and incurred costs getting to the property. It’s to be extremely bad for them to withdraw from the job as they lose income.

For your information mrs "I have to make someone feel shit"

My teenage daughter has mental health conditions!
If the landlord had provided me with notice, her room would have been sorted!

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hds873banana · 20/08/2026 20:59

charM89 · 20/08/2026 20:46

For your information mrs "I have to make someone feel shit"

My teenage daughter has mental health conditions!
If the landlord had provided me with notice, her room would have been sorted!

But you are missing the entire point. It’s not about putting on a one day show of tidiness. That does not protect a property from damage. Repeated abuse and lack of ventilation of a property long term causes irreversible damage. If you didn’t think yourself to clean it before a worker arrived it indicates a complete lack of awareness. And that’s very worrying. My tenants gave me a complete mental health breakdown, I used to have panic attacks and my hair was falling out because of what some of them did to the house and the stress it put me through. I didn’t get to stop cleaning and ventilating my house during those times. If I did that, it would be ruined and unsafe for my children to live in. Take some accountability. Then it might not happen next time.

charM89 · 20/08/2026 21:13

hds873banana · 20/08/2026 20:59

But you are missing the entire point. It’s not about putting on a one day show of tidiness. That does not protect a property from damage. Repeated abuse and lack of ventilation of a property long term causes irreversible damage. If you didn’t think yourself to clean it before a worker arrived it indicates a complete lack of awareness. And that’s very worrying. My tenants gave me a complete mental health breakdown, I used to have panic attacks and my hair was falling out because of what some of them did to the house and the stress it put me through. I didn’t get to stop cleaning and ventilating my house during those times. If I did that, it would be ruined and unsafe for my children to live in. Take some accountability. Then it might not happen next time.

Wow you really are mrs high almighty!

The landlord never gave notice that any worker would be coming!

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hds873banana · 20/08/2026 21:14

Eviction26 · 20/08/2026 18:48

I would tell him to do any communication over email. You don't have to see him in person if you don't want to. Also email gives you a paper trail when we're the photos taken? And messiness and clutter doesn't automatically = damage.

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There is a consensus that heavy disarray restricts routine cleaning. This allows dust mites, pet dander, and allergens to build up heavily, which can trigger asthma and respiratory issues (the environmental report stated they all have chest issues).

Messiness and clutter damages a house over time. Heavy clutter and piled-up mess trap moisture, block airflow, and hide structural problems.

TRAP MOISTURE being a key one for this house.

hds873banana · 20/08/2026 21:21

charM89 · 20/08/2026 21:13

Wow you really are mrs high almighty!

The landlord never gave notice that any worker would be coming!

How would him giving you notice have changed how you have treated the house already long term? You’ve already damaged the house. He isn’t required to remind you to clean and ventilate. It’s what most grown adults know to do. You should have been doing it anyway. What else do you expect your landlord to remind you to do that are basic daily tasks? Feed your kids? Put your bins out? Pay the council tax? I rented for 15 years. I wouldn’t dream of expecting my landlord to send me reminders to keep my house clean. You are a parent and an adult. Not a child.

Possiblyfamous · 21/08/2026 07:20

hds873banana - this attitude is so prevalent now. The entitlement is incredible. I’m so relieved that I sold my rental property. I was a conscientious, fair landlord for 16 years with similarly minded tenants but the last two tenants drove me to despair and I sold the house rather than be under the demands of unreasonable tenants with the new renters’ rights legislation behind them.

hds873banana · 21/08/2026 11:57

Possiblyfamous · 21/08/2026 07:20

hds873banana - this attitude is so prevalent now. The entitlement is incredible. I’m so relieved that I sold my rental property. I was a conscientious, fair landlord for 16 years with similarly minded tenants but the last two tenants drove me to despair and I sold the house rather than be under the demands of unreasonable tenants with the new renters’ rights legislation behind them.

It’s horrific isn’t it. It’s like being in an abusive toxic relationship that you aren’t allowed to leave. The irony that people are failing to grasp is that the mass exodus of fair and good landlords selling their rental properties to avoid this sort of hell, is the exact reason why the OP can’t find a new place to rent. It’s like the tenants are turkeys who voted for Christmas. Madness. Government sold off all social housing and now rental properties are mainly managed by huge investors who will hike up rents astronomically and not give a shit. If I hadn’t seen it several times with my own eyes, I’d never believe a tenant could turn a beautiful, pristine, warm, light and airy Victorian house into a mouldy, stinking, dark, urine riddled, dusty, hell hole within 4-6 months. And like you say - the entitlement. I think it’s because some of them have never had the mental stress of paying for unexpected repairs on houses. One tenant used to remove the hair blocker from the shower despite me begging her several times not to do it. I told her in no uncertain terms it would block the pipes. One day I got a call to say there was water pouring through the lounge ceiling. The tenant told the managing estate agent that it was the fault of the neighbour (there was a shared hopper on the wall outside). I was forced to pay £500. When I had time to speak to the drain man who went out to the property he told me the tenant lied and the pipe was blocked with her long hair the whole length, causing it to flood and take the ceiling down. She refused to pay. I spent several £1000s putting it right. Not a word of apology or thanks. This sort of abuse went on for years. The day I sold was the best day of my life.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 21/08/2026 22:37

charM89 · 20/08/2026 21:13

Wow you really are mrs high almighty!

The landlord never gave notice that any worker would be coming!

That's not the point.
You should have been keeping the house clean and tidy anyway.

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The landlord simply has photos of when the home was messy due to mental and physical health, however it's now clean. I'm just terrified that if the judge agrees with him social services will think we cant look after our children and remove them :(

We had a key worker from early help come over and she said she had no concerns over our living conditions

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Bababear987 · 24/08/2026 21:02

So essentially you think you should be allowed to live in squalor in the landlords house to the point of damaging it but hes unreasonable because he didnt give you enough notice to clean.... just clean it anyway the way people do. This attitude is exactly why id never rent to people because they have 0 accountability but 100% entitlement.
And im by no means a clean freak but I wouldnt have my children living somewhere like that.

charM89 · 25/08/2026 11:53

Bababear987 · 24/08/2026 21:02

So essentially you think you should be allowed to live in squalor in the landlords house to the point of damaging it but hes unreasonable because he didnt give you enough notice to clean.... just clean it anyway the way people do. This attitude is exactly why id never rent to people because they have 0 accountability but 100% entitlement.
And im by no means a clean freak but I wouldnt have my children living somewhere like that.

I pray you never lose a child! I was in a bad fucking way that's it!
The place is now clean, so go away with your judgmental shit!
Sorry we can't all be bloody perfect like you claim to be!

Man you miss one days cleaning and get punished for it ffs it's laughable!

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TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 25/08/2026 11:55

charM89 · 25/08/2026 11:53

I pray you never lose a child! I was in a bad fucking way that's it!
The place is now clean, so go away with your judgmental shit!
Sorry we can't all be bloody perfect like you claim to be!

Man you miss one days cleaning and get punished for it ffs it's laughable!

"One day's cleaning"?

Come off it. You said yourself that your place was a bombsite and that you never cleaned it or tidied up.

hds873banana · 25/08/2026 13:47

charM89 · 22/08/2026 20:18

The landlord simply has photos of when the home was messy due to mental and physical health, however it's now clean. I'm just terrified that if the judge agrees with him social services will think we cant look after our children and remove them :(

We had a key worker from early help come over and she said she had no concerns over our living conditions

Early help key workers aren’t really focussed on the state of the house linked to the damage of the house. They focus on what they consider higher risks to the children . I’ve seen district nurses enter houses of squalor. They don’t bat an eyelid. They see it all the time.

hds873banana · 25/08/2026 13:49

You mentioned that the worse room for mould was your teen daughter’s room. This is the room the workers refused to enter due to the state of it. Surely you must see the connection between long term filth and squalor in a room and mould?

Bababear987 · 30/08/2026 11:55

charM89 · 25/08/2026 11:53

I pray you never lose a child! I was in a bad fucking way that's it!
The place is now clean, so go away with your judgmental shit!
Sorry we can't all be bloody perfect like you claim to be!

Man you miss one days cleaning and get punished for it ffs it's laughable!

You're being ridiculous. Ive never said im perfect but I wouldnt let my children live in mould and dirt.

You didnt miss a days cleaning, that is total squalor and will have damaged his house. I am so sorry for the loss of your child and cant imagine that pain BUT it doesnt mean you are absolved of taking care of the place you live and your other children.

Mondaytuesdayhappydays · 31/08/2026 21:19

Getting silly now
xx

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