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My neighbour's lawyer friend helps him to harass me, advice needed.

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Anotherwomanhere · 12/05/2025 08:54

I have a neighbour where there are various harassment tactics (started when I refused to write him a letter against his neighbour). As an example, his false allegation was removed from police record due to my obtaining of public CCTV verifying I did nothing wrong. (NCHI took 18 months of my time to prove his perception as not reasonable.) His high profile lawyer friend, who is his ex boyfriend, gives him legal advice and represents him in person, on some matters. Both of them flew a drone over the roof of my flat where I grow plants, with the lawyer operating the remote control and the neighbour instructing him on its direction. I then received a threatening legal letter to remove my pots, a copy or record of which can no longer be found on the system of the solicitors who sent it. I feel the lawyer friend is mixing his career with my neighbour's pursual of me but it feels weird, why would someone do this as a high profile professional? Is this right and what can I do to expose it, if it is not right? (Afraid of legal threats as do not have money to pay a lawyer.)

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ImaginedCorners · 13/05/2025 08:33

JohnMajorsChicken · 13/05/2025 07:57

What's HCOR? who is the ex-employee? Where are the no longer working? What did they sign?

Home Office Crime Recording.

Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 09:06

ImaginedCorners · 13/05/2025 08:31

Sigh. By whom were you ‘suspected’ of harassment? The only accusation you mention is an obviously fake letter on the letterhead of a firm of solicitors, which has no record of sending it.

Are you saying your neighbour also went to the police?

NCHIs are ‘non-crime hate incidents’ which don’t meet the threshold for criminality, but are deemed to be motivated by hostility towards someone’s protected characteristics, eg race, religion, sexual orientation, disability etc.

They were introduced after the Macpherson inquiry into the murder of Stephen Lawrence. But the guidelines changed in 2021 after the Court of Appeal decided that incidents deemed trivial or irrational, or where there was no evidence they were motivated by hostility, should not be recorded.

Yes my neighbor went to police. Police came to me. I had to provide AVI (public CCTV) for my name to be removed as a suspect and for me to be eliminated from the police report. It would had otherwise remained on Police records. I then received a letter from neighbour of which solicitor has no records or or even a record of my name on their systems. It took me 18 months to clear an accusation which would had remained on police system. Just like NCHI this would had stayed on my file if I did not intervene. This could affect me down the line for example if my neighbor started to add other reports and for clearance.

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Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 09:13

BobbyBiscuits · 13/05/2025 00:33

This.
The friend of the neighbour who may or may not be a high flying lawyer is of absolutely no concern. OP is just complicating things even more than they need to be.
It sounds like it's all very stressful though and hope the neighbour just leaves her alone and she can move on with life.

The lawyer is of concern to me because he represents my neighbor and whenever my neighbor has problems we hear him talk with him. He gets the lawyer to quote "jump in". It is not a professional relationship as they are ex-boyfriends. Lawyer brought drone equipment. I perceive this lawyer to be too interested in me. However I absolutely love your wording, where you wrote in one of your above posts about lawyer letters are not threatening, followed by your explanation. I have found this thread really useful to learn where I need to adjust, having learnt mostly more about people than advice. But to be fair I should had tried a legal platform.

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ImaginedCorners · 13/05/2025 09:26

Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 09:13

The lawyer is of concern to me because he represents my neighbor and whenever my neighbor has problems we hear him talk with him. He gets the lawyer to quote "jump in". It is not a professional relationship as they are ex-boyfriends. Lawyer brought drone equipment. I perceive this lawyer to be too interested in me. However I absolutely love your wording, where you wrote in one of your above posts about lawyer letters are not threatening, followed by your explanation. I have found this thread really useful to learn where I need to adjust, having learnt mostly more about people than advice. But to be fair I should had tried a legal platform.

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But have you ever had any communication from this lawyer who is your neighbour’s ex? If the only legal communication you’ve had from your neighbour is a fake letter purporting to be from a firm of solicitors with no connection to your neighbour’s ex, then he doesn’t ‘represent’ him. He just visits him.

What is the timeline for all of this? I mean, if it took you a year and a half to get the CCTV, then surely the letter, drone etc all happened some time ago. Why is it on your mind now?

For your ‘harassment’ to have been recorded as an NCHI, the police would have had to think your neighbour had grounds to believe your actions were motivated by hostility towards his protected characteristics — what did the police say? That the neighbour thought it was homophobically-motivated?

Damnblister · 13/05/2025 10:10

The more this OP posts, the more I get the impression that…. Well, let’s just say, it would be interesting to hear the other side of the story!

BobbyBiscuits · 13/05/2025 10:25

Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 09:13

The lawyer is of concern to me because he represents my neighbor and whenever my neighbor has problems we hear him talk with him. He gets the lawyer to quote "jump in". It is not a professional relationship as they are ex-boyfriends. Lawyer brought drone equipment. I perceive this lawyer to be too interested in me. However I absolutely love your wording, where you wrote in one of your above posts about lawyer letters are not threatening, followed by your explanation. I have found this thread really useful to learn where I need to adjust, having learnt mostly more about people than advice. But to be fair I should had tried a legal platform.

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Yet you claim you don't know the name of the firm he represents or his surname. How can he be harassing you legally while not allowing you to know his identity? I'm sorry but I really don't understand!

Someone2025 · 13/05/2025 10:30

Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 09:13

The lawyer is of concern to me because he represents my neighbor and whenever my neighbor has problems we hear him talk with him. He gets the lawyer to quote "jump in". It is not a professional relationship as they are ex-boyfriends. Lawyer brought drone equipment. I perceive this lawyer to be too interested in me. However I absolutely love your wording, where you wrote in one of your above posts about lawyer letters are not threatening, followed by your explanation. I have found this thread really useful to learn where I need to adjust, having learnt mostly more about people than advice. But to be fair I should had tried a legal platform.

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Are you absolutely sure of all you facts, who bought the drone / who owns the drone / did his lawyer friend send the letter / is he really a qualified lawyer etc etc

Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 11:27

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Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 11:33

ImaginedCorners · 13/05/2025 09:26

But have you ever had any communication from this lawyer who is your neighbour’s ex? If the only legal communication you’ve had from your neighbour is a fake letter purporting to be from a firm of solicitors with no connection to your neighbour’s ex, then he doesn’t ‘represent’ him. He just visits him.

What is the timeline for all of this? I mean, if it took you a year and a half to get the CCTV, then surely the letter, drone etc all happened some time ago. Why is it on your mind now?

For your ‘harassment’ to have been recorded as an NCHI, the police would have had to think your neighbour had grounds to believe your actions were motivated by hostility towards his protected characteristics — what did the police say? That the neighbour thought it was homophobically-motivated?

The lawyer does represent him. For example when landlord comes to visit my neighbor, the lawyer, being present, will introduce my neighbor to the landlord as 'hello, this is my client.
Timeline is 5 years.
No, HOCR is victim based belief and police are obliged to record it, and you will only know if you do a SAR. HOCR is victim based and no further information (or proof) other than the victims word (or belief) is required to record a crime. Also upon submitting AVI which I had to obtain myself it was reviewed by police who noted that my neighbor that a reasonable person would have no reason to view my actions as harassing. Police were obliged to record, but then with full facts being made known through public CCTV provided to them they noted my neighbor is making an allegation giving no real reason for feeling harassed, alarmed or distressed. However this was noted only after they reviewed AVI which they themselves did not obtain but accepted it from me. If I was prevented in obtaining the CCTV (e.g. small shops refuse to provide copies as they have no blurring out softwares), the record would had stayed on the police system and WOULD HAD been visible at an enhanced clearance check.

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MissMoneyFairy · 13/05/2025 11:40

Damnblister · 13/05/2025 10:10

The more this OP posts, the more I get the impression that…. Well, let’s just say, it would be interesting to hear the other side of the story!

Op seems to know an awful lot about the neighbours ex boyfriend who may or may not be a lawyer, anyone can pretend, I'd have to know his name and professional registration number. All he's done is buy a drone which he and ndn flew over op flat, the rest is just waffle.

MissMoneyFairy · 13/05/2025 11:42

If you and your neighbour live in different blocks how on earth do you know how the "lawyer" introduces himself to their landlord and how is that anyone's business

Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 11:56

MissMoneyFairy · 13/05/2025 11:42

If you and your neighbour live in different blocks how on earth do you know how the "lawyer" introduces himself to their landlord and how is that anyone's business

Because I have been in my neighbour's flat, at the time when the lawyer represented my neighbour as his client.

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Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 12:02

JohnofWessex · 13/05/2025 11:43

There are now rules about flying drones

https://register-drones.caa.co.uk/drone-code/where-you-can-fly

Have you got his friends car reg no as you can trace him/he can be traced from that

Yes, very helpful, I think he has to be registered but also landlord's policy prohibits drones. I would like to know who he is, since he has taken substantial effort to spend time on me. So I find the car registration tip extremely helpful.

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Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 12:26

Just for further information, CAD calls and CRIS reports can be made available through NPPV3 vetting.

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BigDeepBreaths · 13/05/2025 13:04

Someone2025 · 13/05/2025 10:30

Are you absolutely sure of all you facts, who bought the drone / who owns the drone / did his lawyer friend send the letter / is he really a qualified lawyer etc etc

Yes, because he talks loudly about all of this in his garden. And other neighbours have said so. So it must be true.

JellyBeanSpring25 · 13/05/2025 13:07

Too many abbreviations and acronyms for me to follow.

But, as someone who deals daily with complaints and upsets, my very first question is usually “what do you want to achieve?”

So, OP, what’s your preferable outcome?

BigDeepBreaths · 13/05/2025 13:17

Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 11:56

Because I have been in my neighbour's flat, at the time when the lawyer represented my neighbour as his client.

Didnt you say earlier that it was “not a professional relationship as they are ex-boyfriends “?

(note: it is possible that he is an ex. and is also a client and its not for you to decide, nor any of your business, when he is there as neighbours friend and when is advising him in a legal capacity)

Anyway, now you are emphasising that he “represents your neighbour”. Your posts are super confusing OP.

MissMoneyFairy · 13/05/2025 13:37

What is your actual complaint, if this person is a high profile lawyer then surely you'd know who he was, most lawyers are pretty low profile. What do you want out of this post, please don't use abbreviations, just be factual.

Someone2025 · 13/05/2025 13:43

BigDeepBreaths · 13/05/2025 13:04

Yes, because he talks loudly about all of this in his garden. And other neighbours have said so. So it must be true.

I wasn’t asking you

Coldcourgette · 13/05/2025 14:27

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JohnMajorsChicken · 13/05/2025 15:37

Someone2025 · 13/05/2025 13:43

I wasn’t asking you

Ooooh snippy!
Who spat in your tea this morning?

Someone2025 · 13/05/2025 15:59

JohnMajorsChicken · 13/05/2025 15:37

Ooooh snippy!
Who spat in your tea this morning?

It was a reasonable response, 😂

BigDeepBreaths · 13/05/2025 16:05

So was mine.

Facts have not been a stand out feature of this thread.

ImaginedCorners · 13/05/2025 16:13

Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 11:33

The lawyer does represent him. For example when landlord comes to visit my neighbor, the lawyer, being present, will introduce my neighbor to the landlord as 'hello, this is my client.
Timeline is 5 years.
No, HOCR is victim based belief and police are obliged to record it, and you will only know if you do a SAR. HOCR is victim based and no further information (or proof) other than the victims word (or belief) is required to record a crime. Also upon submitting AVI which I had to obtain myself it was reviewed by police who noted that my neighbor that a reasonable person would have no reason to view my actions as harassing. Police were obliged to record, but then with full facts being made known through public CCTV provided to them they noted my neighbor is making an allegation giving no real reason for feeling harassed, alarmed or distressed. However this was noted only after they reviewed AVI which they themselves did not obtain but accepted it from me. If I was prevented in obtaining the CCTV (e.g. small shops refuse to provide copies as they have no blurring out softwares), the record would had stayed on the police system and WOULD HAD been visible at an enhanced clearance check.

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I think you’re getting confused. HOCR is Home Office Crime Recording rules for police. It’s the rules as to how crimes are recorded to ensure consistency across forces, best practice etc.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee9b2a199d1cd55b48c769/crime-recording-rules-for-frontline-officers-and-staff-2025_26-april-2025-update.pdf

NCHI are Non Crime Hate Incidents, and are, as the name suggests not crimes because they don’t meet the threshold for crimes. They are recorded in light of recommendations made in the Macpherson Report as incidents perceived by the victim to be motivated by hostility towards a protected characteristic such as race, religion, sexuality etc. And because they don’t meet the threshold for crime, no crime is being recorded, only the fact that the victim believes an incident was motivated by hate. No burden of proof is required because by definition no crime has been committed. A record is not a crime. You were never a ‘suspect’. If someone had then bashed in your neighbour’s head with a blunt instrument and left a drone on his body, you might have been a person of interest then, sure.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee9b2a199d1cd55b48c769/crime-recording-rules-for-frontline-officers-and-staff-2025_26-april-2025-update.pdf