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My neighbour's lawyer friend helps him to harass me, advice needed.

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Anotherwomanhere · 12/05/2025 08:54

I have a neighbour where there are various harassment tactics (started when I refused to write him a letter against his neighbour). As an example, his false allegation was removed from police record due to my obtaining of public CCTV verifying I did nothing wrong. (NCHI took 18 months of my time to prove his perception as not reasonable.) His high profile lawyer friend, who is his ex boyfriend, gives him legal advice and represents him in person, on some matters. Both of them flew a drone over the roof of my flat where I grow plants, with the lawyer operating the remote control and the neighbour instructing him on its direction. I then received a threatening legal letter to remove my pots, a copy or record of which can no longer be found on the system of the solicitors who sent it. I feel the lawyer friend is mixing his career with my neighbour's pursual of me but it feels weird, why would someone do this as a high profile professional? Is this right and what can I do to expose it, if it is not right? (Afraid of legal threats as do not have money to pay a lawyer.)

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MissMoneyFairy · 12/05/2025 16:05

Each update is more confusing, your concern is that your neighbour is harassing you with false allegation, egged on by his mate who may or may not be a solicitor, your landlord and the police have dropped both previous allegations. What your neighbour did with his cctv isn't your concerns, how do you even know about any of that. Just ignore him, if he complains about anything to do with your flat then speak to your landlord, if he threatens you personally then report it to the police,

TheOccupier · 12/05/2025 16:29

FrodoBiggins · 12/05/2025 15:37

You missed the point about para 2. She wasn't asking why it took so long to disprove she was asking why you bothered to try to disprove it at all?

The police (CPS) would have had to prove it basically beyond reasonable doubt if there was any intention of prosecution- which I'm guessing is very unlikely anyway.

I would advise you to forget about the neighbour and his friends, contact your LL if anything comes up. You're all wasting police time by the sounds of it.

If you don't fight this stuff it can be used against you in future. OP did the right thing.

FrodoBiggins · 12/05/2025 16:33

TheOccupier · 12/05/2025 16:29

If you don't fight this stuff it can be used against you in future. OP did the right thing.

Depends. But unclear what happened from OPs slightly meandering posts.
yes agree fight (as in deny) if the police accused you of it. But if you get a letter, which you then confirm is bollocks, getting the police involved to check CCTV is a waste of time and effort. I would just have let it go.

Am a lawyer of that makes any difference, albeit don't have a red, or any, car.

Someone2025 · 12/05/2025 16:47

Anotherwomanhere · 12/05/2025 15:32

A full YES to your first paragraph.
A full yes to the second paragraph, and 18 months because that is how long it took to obtain a copy of my CCTV footage from the train operator and to get the Police to look at it.

Sounds like harassment to me

Anotherwomanhere · 12/05/2025 17:00

FrodoBiggins · 12/05/2025 15:37

You missed the point about para 2. She wasn't asking why it took so long to disprove she was asking why you bothered to try to disprove it at all?

The police (CPS) would have had to prove it basically beyond reasonable doubt if there was any intention of prosecution- which I'm guessing is very unlikely anyway.

I would advise you to forget about the neighbour and his friends, contact your LL if anything comes up. You're all wasting police time by the sounds of it.

Please note, the reason I obtained the CCTV footage was because I went above and beyond in order to have the full facts known, and I will stay eliminated as a suspect. I was not concerned with prosecution. I am not wasting police time if it is at the cost of a failed clearance to not waste it. More worryingly, the police man dealing with this said "well played".

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pimplebum · 12/05/2025 17:02

Ok
go around to the neighbour with a lovely cake and some poppers and just get drunk and laugh it all off

you got him kicked out the communal area
( which is v petty )
he tit for tatted back with drone and fake harassment- police-time-wasting nonsense

you still have your pots in the roof and haven’t got a criminal record so. Chill out and make friends

Anotherwomanhere · 12/05/2025 17:09

MissMoneyFairy · 12/05/2025 16:05

Each update is more confusing, your concern is that your neighbour is harassing you with false allegation, egged on by his mate who may or may not be a solicitor, your landlord and the police have dropped both previous allegations. What your neighbour did with his cctv isn't your concerns, how do you even know about any of that. Just ignore him, if he complains about anything to do with your flat then speak to your landlord, if he threatens you personally then report it to the police,

What my neighbour did with my personal data which his CCTV processed is unlawful under GDPR. I know because we can hear him mocking our CCTV footages, which go directly to his phone, out loud from his garden.

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Anotherwomanhere · 12/05/2025 17:11

TheOccupier · 12/05/2025 16:29

If you don't fight this stuff it can be used against you in future. OP did the right thing.

Yes, reports by other people about you to the police will affect your job clearance. NCHI lay dormant.

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pimplebum · 12/05/2025 17:40

How does YOUR cctv go directly to HIS phone ????

Anotherwomanhere · 12/05/2025 20:26

pimplebum · 12/05/2025 17:40

How does YOUR cctv go directly to HIS phone ????

A CCTV footage of me is collected outside the boundary of his property by his camera. The camera is connected to Wi-fi. Every footage goes directly to his phone for him to view remotely at any time.

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Happyasarainbow · 12/05/2025 20:44

Anotherwomanhere · 12/05/2025 17:09

What my neighbour did with my personal data which his CCTV processed is unlawful under GDPR. I know because we can hear him mocking our CCTV footages, which go directly to his phone, out loud from his garden.

GDPR only applies to companies' use of data. So not applicable here as your neighbour is an individual. Someone else might be able to suggest if it's unlawful on a different ground such as privacy or harassment.

Happyasarainbow · 12/05/2025 21:03

Also I would suggest going through the law firm's complaint process and asking where the fraudulent letter came from. If someone in the firm did it quietly and then deleted the record, then an investigation should hopefully give them a bit of a scare, even if they are never identified.

Hellovation · 12/05/2025 21:18

Jesus Christ, what a waste of your time. Just move .

HollyBerryz · 12/05/2025 21:32

None of this makes any sense.

what has the lawyer friend got to do with anything?

if you think the neighbour has impersonated a solicitor why hasn't this been reported to and investigated by the police?

What were the police investigating you for? It's not a crime to stand near someone.

Why haven't the law firm looked into where your false letter came from? Who was it signed by if not one of their employees?

just get a cease and desist letter from a solicitor against your neighbour

ImaginedCorners · 12/05/2025 21:56

OP, you sound to me dangerously paranoid about surveillance, and as if your neighbour’s activities have become your ‘hobby’. I struggle to believe that you took a complaint that you had invaded someone’s space on a train, made in an obviously fraudulent solicitor’s letter, seriously enough to spend eighteen months trying to obtain CCTV to ‘clear your name’ because you believed that a complaint against you (if one was ever made) would count against your ‘job clearance’. Why would you think the police were remotely interested in whether you stood too close to someone on public transport? What do you think you were ‘suspected’ of?

You seem to be stringing completely unrelated things together (your neighbour’s ex being a lawyer, him flying a drone, the solicitor’s letter, the train, the plants) into some kind of narrative of persecution.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 12/05/2025 22:38

@Anotherwomanhere what is his actual complaint about the neighbour??? then what is his actual complaint about you?? is he in the same block as you? why does he want your plantpots removed???

Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 00:05

Happyasarainbow · 12/05/2025 20:44

GDPR only applies to companies' use of data. So not applicable here as your neighbour is an individual. Someone else might be able to suggest if it's unlawful on a different ground such as privacy or harassment.

No, following CJEU - C-212/13 - Ryneš, the ICO changed its guidance to make anyone filming outside the boundary of their property a data controller.

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Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 00:07

Happyasarainbow · 12/05/2025 21:03

Also I would suggest going through the law firm's complaint process and asking where the fraudulent letter came from. If someone in the firm did it quietly and then deleted the record, then an investigation should hopefully give them a bit of a scare, even if they are never identified.

Yes, this is a good idea.

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Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 00:16

HollyBerryz · 12/05/2025 21:32

None of this makes any sense.

what has the lawyer friend got to do with anything?

if you think the neighbour has impersonated a solicitor why hasn't this been reported to and investigated by the police?

What were the police investigating you for? It's not a crime to stand near someone.

Why haven't the law firm looked into where your false letter came from? Who was it signed by if not one of their employees?

just get a cease and desist letter from a solicitor against your neighbour

It is recorded as a crime because HOCR is victim based and no further information (or proof) other than the victims word (or belief) is required to record a crime. You must submit AVI (additional verifiable information) for the crime to be cancelled.
It was signed by an ex-employee.

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Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 00:24

ImaginedCorners · 12/05/2025 21:56

OP, you sound to me dangerously paranoid about surveillance, and as if your neighbour’s activities have become your ‘hobby’. I struggle to believe that you took a complaint that you had invaded someone’s space on a train, made in an obviously fraudulent solicitor’s letter, seriously enough to spend eighteen months trying to obtain CCTV to ‘clear your name’ because you believed that a complaint against you (if one was ever made) would count against your ‘job clearance’. Why would you think the police were remotely interested in whether you stood too close to someone on public transport? What do you think you were ‘suspected’ of?

You seem to be stringing completely unrelated things together (your neighbour’s ex being a lawyer, him flying a drone, the solicitor’s letter, the train, the plants) into some kind of narrative of persecution.

NCHIs affect clearance. I was suspected of harassment. HOCR is victim based and no further information (or proof) other than the victims word (or belief) is required to record a crime. You must submit AVI (additional verifiable information) for the crime to be cancelled. Filming daily activities of individuals outside your property boundary without a legitimate reason is unlawful.

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BobbyBiscuits · 13/05/2025 00:33

Elektra1 · 12/05/2025 15:38

A lawyer (not the friend but a different one) sending you a letter on their client’s instructions is not a threat. Lawyers must act on their client’s instructions and they are not bound or required to fact check the nature of the instructions. I repeat: your issue is with your neighbour, not with either the mysterious firm of solicitors who sent the letter, or with the solicitor friend. Why are you so keen to involve third parties in a dispute between you and your neighbour?

This.
The friend of the neighbour who may or may not be a high flying lawyer is of absolutely no concern. OP is just complicating things even more than they need to be.
It sounds like it's all very stressful though and hope the neighbour just leaves her alone and she can move on with life.

Someone2025 · 13/05/2025 01:05

Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 00:16

It is recorded as a crime because HOCR is victim based and no further information (or proof) other than the victims word (or belief) is required to record a crime. You must submit AVI (additional verifiable information) for the crime to be cancelled.
It was signed by an ex-employee.

So an ex employee (lawyer) signed a letter on headed company paper for a company they didn’t work at at that time?

JohnMajorsChicken · 13/05/2025 07:57

Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 00:16

It is recorded as a crime because HOCR is victim based and no further information (or proof) other than the victims word (or belief) is required to record a crime. You must submit AVI (additional verifiable information) for the crime to be cancelled.
It was signed by an ex-employee.

What's HCOR? who is the ex-employee? Where are the no longer working? What did they sign?

Theunamedcat · 13/05/2025 08:05

If he is genuinely filming you and harassing you with cameras give a couple of teenagers a tenner each to mask up and destroy the camera

ImaginedCorners · 13/05/2025 08:31

Anotherwomanhere · 13/05/2025 00:24

NCHIs affect clearance. I was suspected of harassment. HOCR is victim based and no further information (or proof) other than the victims word (or belief) is required to record a crime. You must submit AVI (additional verifiable information) for the crime to be cancelled. Filming daily activities of individuals outside your property boundary without a legitimate reason is unlawful.

Edited

Sigh. By whom were you ‘suspected’ of harassment? The only accusation you mention is an obviously fake letter on the letterhead of a firm of solicitors, which has no record of sending it.

Are you saying your neighbour also went to the police?

NCHIs are ‘non-crime hate incidents’ which don’t meet the threshold for criminality, but are deemed to be motivated by hostility towards someone’s protected characteristics, eg race, religion, sexual orientation, disability etc.

They were introduced after the Macpherson inquiry into the murder of Stephen Lawrence. But the guidelines changed in 2021 after the Court of Appeal decided that incidents deemed trivial or irrational, or where there was no evidence they were motivated by hostility, should not be recorded.

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