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Pregnant after having child removed at birth

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Hannah1x · 17/11/2017 09:09

Hi all, I'm desperate for some advice and would appreciate feedback from anybody who works in social work, has experience in law or has had personal experience with dealing with social services in subsequent pregnancies after having a child removed.

Im 24 yrs old. When I was 18 I was in an abusive relationship with a man who had an extensive criminal past of DV. He was known to social services due to his first born child being taken from him and an ex at approx 1 years old and the child was subsequently adopted.

I was young, naive and didn't know all the facts - he hadn't yet hurt me by the time I fell pregnant and I underestimated the risk he posed to me. I had no family in the area and was very isolated.

When I fell pregnant he became abusive, emotionally and verbally. I confided in a midwife at my first antenatal appointment with my concerns about his past and how he was acting with me now and i was referred to social services. They were involved with me from being 13 weeks pregnant, visiting the home and asking me to attend sure start centre classes which I did.

When I began to worry about removal I asked my SW whether I could move to another city closer to my family to help my case away from the father and I was specifically told not to because it would 'disrupt' the assessment process.

I found my sw to be very unhelpful and at 36 weeks pregnant they told me would go to court and remove my baby at birth without offering any alternative intervention despite me doing everything they'd asked. Prior to the PLO meeting which I was prevented from attending (my then solicitor was not acting in my favour) I again asked if they would support me leaving the town with my baby and I was told no, stay, no final decisions had not been made yet.

I don't feel as though I was given any support or encouragement to leave this man throughout my assessments and I accept I could have upped and left but I was young vulnerable isolated and very much under his control.

When baby was born at 38 weeks it was a Saturday, out of hours social services arrived at the hospital and told me they'd apply to court on Monday to remove my son. Foolishly, out of panic, I left the hospital with my son and took him home against their instructions. They told the hospital to call the police who came and got us, returning us to the ward where we had to stay until the social worker came to remove him on the Monday.

I didn't attend court as my solicitor said I was too emotional and it was best she go on my behalf. She said it would look better if I didn't oppose the order as it showed me accepting there was risk. I trusted her and agreed for her to go and speak on my behalf, again, and tell the court I don't oppose the interim care order being made temporarily. She didn't make me aware of any other options such as mother and baby units or mother and baby foster placements.

Order was granted on the grounds of my son being "at risk of emotional harm" and he was then taken from the hospital.

Back at home the physical abuse started where he would attack me and shortly after so did the sexual abuse. My ex coerced me into prostitution, which I am painfully ashamed to admit. I was in my own admission smoking cannabis as I struggled to cope with what was happening.

Social services had included in their mitigation that I had mental health problems which isn't the case, I've never been known to mental health services although I did have a very short period where I felt low, aged 16, where I was on antidepressants following the death of my grandparents.

While this was going on I continued to fight for my son in court, I sacked my solicitor who wasn't helping me whatsoever and began to represent myself for a period before I hired another. In my admissions I put my side across and the magistrates ruled that social services had not supported me properly prior to removal and they believed I should be given a chance to show I can look after my son. They ordered a mother and baby unit be found and me and my son taken there to be assessed properly, They wanted this done within a matter of weeks. I left the court feeling positive but scared as I knew babies dad would do something to sabotage this process and there was no orders put in place to stop him coming to my house (he had moved out and in with his mother by this point - at my request - albeit unwillingly)

Babies father didn't want this to happen as it would mean him losing control of me and me being away from him, so in the following week after the magistrates ordering social services to source a placement - he made my life hell. There was police logs from him attending my home and he sent to the social workers and court multiple indecent photographs of me telling them I'm a prostitute and unfit to be a mother.

Social services used this new information to appeal against the magistrates ruling and 'stay' the process of reuniting me with my baby in a mother and baby placement. My case was then transferred to another court in a nearby town as a result and as my son was over 6 months old by this point they wanted to conclude the case, they wanted adoption.

In one final bid to prevent the adoption I gave up my home and fled to a women's refuge where he later found me (it was a very small town and I believe somebody told him). He continued to make my life hell and I confided in the social worker about the extent of the abuse, begged them for support and was given none. My son's case concluded as adoption shortly after and there was nothing more I could do.

My ex continued to trouble me for several years. I had pressed charges for a number of assaults throughout the years, and also two counts of rape, he went on the run but unfortunately there was insufficient evidence and the CPS dropped the charges. Throughout everything I only ever managed to have him convicted of a public order offence due to a neighbour seeing him chase me down the street on an occasion shouting threats.

By the time I was 22 i was still getting grief from him and i finally found the strength to leave town. I moved to a city where my few family members were and began to rebuild my life. I was no longer smoking cannabis and suffice to say the prostitution was a thing of the past, that was only ever a factor when he was in my life- it's not something I enjoyed doing or wanted to do of my own accord.

I moved in with a relative, got a full time job and built up a good relationship with my son's adopters via our letterbox contact. I was happier and healthier than I had been in years. I missed my son painfully but accepted that adoption was the best thing for him at the time, it took me a long time to accept that.

At 23 Whilst working I met an amazing man who was a colleague, he was accepting of my past and very supportive - he had fathered two children himself and although separated from their mother he was an exemplary example of a father. You couldn't fault him. We fell pregnant but sadly lost the baby early on. Much to our delight we conceived again shortly after (this baby was very much wanted)

There was no doubt in my mind we could parent the baby well, I had a good support network around me now and he is a great man. He has no criminal record, a decent sturdy job and most importantly he is a kind man. I had turned my life around completely

I began to become frightened. Due to my past experiences with my old social workers I developed an irrational fear that our baby would be taken, so at my first antenatal appointment when the midwife asked if I had any previous social services involvement I told her no - I can't believe how stupid I was but I can't stress enough how scared I was. The fact i had miscarried not too long ago contributed to my decision, I wanted a stress free pregnancy and didn't feel as though I was ready to deal with social workers again after having such bad experiences with them before. I told them I had an older child just not that he had been adopted.

No referral was made and my pregnancy progressed well. Me and my partner saved up for a lovely little flat, a perfect place to bring our baby home to, and began preparing for his arrival.

As my due date approaches (I'm almost 31 weeks) I've been getting increasingly scared about giving birth and social services turning up to the hospital when I have our baby. My partner has never dealt with these authorities and believes they won't, but I'm frightened that something will come up on my file that will trigger them to come and remove him straight away as I've not been assessed since losing my son.

I accept that I will have to deal with social services at some point as I can't hide the past forever but naively I believed I could conceal it long enough to bring him home and evidence that I, that we, can be a loving and adequate family.

Can anybody tell me where I stand? Please no judgement. I'm already being very hard on myself losing sleep. I've contemplated referring myself to social services this week but am absolutely petrified of doing that. I'm equally as scared of them turning up at the hospital. Will this be the case despite me being in a different city hundreds of miles away?

The ex is very much out of my life and non existent these days. There's no police involvement or multi agency involvement for anything at all.

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calamityjam · 20/11/2017 17:55

I just wanted to say that I hope everything works out well for you and your family. You deserve a good outcome.

TheGoodEnoughWife · 20/11/2017 18:08

Haven’t posted before but I just wanted to chip in and say I think you have been very brave and am sure this bravery will make a difference. Out in the open and all that!

I would just be as honest as you can going forward. Regarding explaining the first midwife appointment just say, as mentioned, you panicked and it became harder to then say the truth.

I think you are in for some hassle but it will be alright in the end. Your ex was the problem before and now you have a lovely supportive partner. Really hope so.

UninspiringUserName · 20/11/2017 18:16

Oh Hannah, I'm just in awe of your strength, you've just done the hardest thing but also the best thing you could ever have done for your baby.

I have no advice, but couldn't read and not comment. The fact you picked up the phone and have started the assessment process yourself will stand you in such good stead, and if you can articulate yourself to the midwife tomorrow half as well as you do on here, she'll understand why you've kept quiet. Nothing you've done has been with any intention to lie or deceive, it's simply self-preservation. You've survived a dreadful, heartbreaking time and you took steps to avoid that happening again - anyone could understand the reasoning behind it. Just be honest and let her see how much this means to you. And we're all behind you.

stayathomegardener · 20/11/2017 18:16

Everything crossed for you Hannah.

I think it's fantastic that you have this thread not just as support but as almost documented evidence of your feelings and thought processes.

feejee · 20/11/2017 18:16

I just wanted to add my admiration for you being able to do something which must be so frightening for you and wish you all the best.

ChocolateWombat · 20/11/2017 18:19

Well done Hannah. Great that you contacted the midwife and then SS and have spoken to someone.
Although it feels scary, I hope you also feel some kind of release too - you won't have to look over your shoulder now, always waiting for someone to catch up with you. You have taken back some control by taking a responsible action and your choice to contact them will be seen positively.

I know that the next weeks won't be easy for you and assessments etc difficult, but I hope that by the time you give birth things are clearer and you can enjoy your baby. And I really hope we can follow your story to a happy outcome and this thread can be an encouragement to others who like you have had a difficult relationship and baby taken away, that there is hope for the future and what they can do to help create that hope and better outcomes second time round.

Thinking of you.

Frazzled2207 · 20/11/2017 18:19

Just come on to say well done you for making the move.
It will all be ok.
Don’t necessarily assume they will have spoken to mw, they can be quite difficult to get hold of.

i’d say I omitted to tell you something very important. And if you tell the story like you told us then I don’t think you need to worry.

Good luck.

Besom · 20/11/2017 18:30

That was very brave of you well done! I think you be honest and say you were scared. She will understand that Flowers

Hannah1x · 20/11/2017 18:30

Oddly enough I do feel as though it's a big weight off my shoulders. I shall let you know whether that remains the same once the gruelling assessments have began lol!

In the days leading up to me posting here I was wracked with worry so much so I was losing sleep. That being said all of your advice and support has been priceless. You have contributed hugely to my decision and making the steps I have today. Hearing so compassionately from unbiased individuals really did push me in the right direction. I can't thank you ladies enough for taking the time to reassure and guide me x

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Ivehadtonamechangeforthis · 20/11/2017 18:40

I logged on this evening Hannah solely to see if you had updated the thread :)

Well Done, I think you're being incredibly strong and I'm so pleased you've received legal advice and your solicitor has responded so quickly to you.

If you tell your midwife your backstory she would have to be made of stone to not understand why you didn't come clean at the start of your pregnancy. But you are now.... before your baby is born because you are in a very different place and you are capable, along with your partner, of providing a safe and loving home for this baby.

Please let us know how your conversation with your midwife goes.

I'll be thinking of you tomorrow x

notapizzaeater · 20/11/2017 18:45

Well done for making the call, that will,stand you in good stead 😀

LadyGagarden · 20/11/2017 18:49

Well done Hannah! Being scared is a completely normal reaction and it’s understandable you weren’t upfront to begin with. I hope everything works out for the best with you and baby.

shakeyourcaboose · 20/11/2017 18:49

Well done indeed Hannah, that must have been so intimidating to do. Wishing you lots of support for your assessment.

ferrier · 20/11/2017 18:54

You're an amazing courageous woman Hannah. Just wanted to say very well done Flowers

Hairyhat · 20/11/2017 19:39

Well done Hannah. You’re so brave. I hope it’s not as gruelling as you expect but I think you are right to expect the assessment. If no assessment is needed then great. Keep us posted!

brabenot · 20/11/2017 20:13

Well done Hannah you're so brave, I couldn't have done that. My advice had been to flee if you remember, because of the let down last time and because of my own experiences. Now that you have started the process I wish you all the luck tomorrow and carry on being brave. I'm actually glad you took everyone's advice, you sound so strong you're going to be a great mother. The problem with me is I go to pieces with ss so just ignore me. To me, it's a good sign that she asked permission to phone your mw, the sw I had wouldn't have done that, she just blundered in absolutely everywhere. Stay strong and good luck, I'm thinking of you.Flowers

QuiteLikely5 · 20/11/2017 21:00

Op

well done for turning your life around.

MW and HV would have realised their was no sibling at home. Then you would have been busted.

Your OP shows that you hold your ex quite responsible for losing your son. I think you also need to admit your own role in that.

The next SW will want to see that you have taken responsibility for your actions.

I do mean that kindly.

LoveProsecco · 20/11/2017 21:10

Well done Hannah! Just tell the truth

Hannah1x · 20/11/2017 21:28

Such kind responses :-)

Regarding having to be seen to take responsibility for my own part I agree I do need to put across that I accept not being blameless and that have learned from what happened. The last thing i would want is for the next SW to think I'm minimising risk, as my last one put forward in the reports.

That will be one of the first things I put across when I meet with them, that I understand the reasons why my son wasn't able to remain in my care at that time - that my lifestyle was chaotic and the enviroment was in no way suitable for a vulnerable child and although I was in a very controlling relationship that doesn't mean to say I couldn't have done more to safeguard myself and my son. I accept full responsibility for it - I paid the ultimate price and learned. It shaped me into a very different person and I'm no longer the same person as I was when I was younger x

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Starlight2345 · 20/11/2017 22:08

Hannah
your first post is heart breaking, I can read the fear in your posts and you have been so brave.

QuiteLikely5 · 20/11/2017 22:16

Brilliant reaction OP. Good luck with everything.

Chilver · 20/11/2017 23:18

I think you are incredible after what you've been through. Your posts are insightful and articulate; I really hope that SS and your MW see and hear that tomorrow when you speak/ meet with them. Only advice I have is to be open and honest with them as op have said.

Wishing you the best of luck.

pigtailsplaits · 21/11/2017 01:05

Good luck with SS

11 years ago when I was 18 I had a DC that SS removed at birth. (Dv, my mental health (fell pregnant 6months after my mam died) isolated and no support from my family, family member sex offender which I never knew about) SS also failed me they never offered any support or help in getting away from ex Partner.

After 9 months my DC was adopted.

I left my ex and moved 2 hours away and had a fresh start. Just over 1 year later I fell pregnant with a new partner (ended up being abusive) I contacted ss myself before my midwife did and they went to old LA to read my files. They decided to go to child protection. I was able to bring my DC home from hospital and SS closed the case when DC was 3months old. In that time I was diagnosed with PND but as I was getting treatment it wasn't a concern.

4 years later I fell pregnant again. This time I let my midwife refer me. Ss came out and closed case straight away.

I did end up having ss back after my youngest was 10months as I had to flee to a refuge. They closed the case after 18months.

I found the first time round I also was reading what people were saying that ss are corrupt and they were saying what I wanted to hear from them.
Second time round I started to believe they actually help families and removal is a last resort.

Good luck and hope it all goes well.

Hannah1x · 21/11/2017 04:50

Pigtailsplaits

Thank you so much for sharing that with me, it's brill to hear success stories from other mums who have been able to prove themself as a parent after losing a child to adoption. I'm also very sorry you went through the heartbreaking process of an adoption you didnt want, as somebody who has gone through the same I have the utmost respect for women able to pick themselves up and rebuild their lives. It's by far the hardest thing I've ever had to do. You should be really proud.

Alot of what you said resignates with me, so I've took great comfort in hearing you was given the opportunity to keep your second two babies with the help of SS. I've just woken up after a broken sleep, so to come here and see your post has given me a little boost.

I have mentally prepared myself for my baby to be put on child protection and I'm at peace with that totally, as just being able to bring him home would be a dream come true. I don't mind what hoops they ask me to jump through, I'll do whatever it takes x

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Hannah1x · 21/11/2017 10:26

Midwives went really well. She said I've done the right thing and it's really positive that I've been honest. She doesn't think I have to worry about losing him as it's all historical but I'll need to be assessed as procedure so she's made some referrals and said I will hear from people soon. She's put a flag on my file now so all future professionals know referrals have been made but that this is just procedure.

She said they want to keep babies with their mothers where possible and it's extremely rare that a baby gets taken (at least in this area)

I outlined the abusive relationship and how I took baby from the hospital. I admitted I was at fault and failed to protect him from harm, that I could have done alot more than I did and blame myself to this day. I said my lifestyle was in general very chaotic and not suitable for a vulnerable baby at all but I've come to make peace with the fact it was best for him at the time

I didn't go into the prostitution as that's not why they became involved or why baby was adopted but when it comes to speaking to my SW of course I'll be talking about it and letting them know it's a thing of the past and I have nothing to do with that life now.

Midwife just wanted to know why they were involved and why he was adopted.

She was lovely to me and very sympathetic to my situation in general.

Feeling relieved and looking forward to getting the assessments out the way so I can prove myself and enjoy my new baby :D

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