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Pregnant after having child removed at birth

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Hannah1x · 17/11/2017 09:09

Hi all, I'm desperate for some advice and would appreciate feedback from anybody who works in social work, has experience in law or has had personal experience with dealing with social services in subsequent pregnancies after having a child removed.

Im 24 yrs old. When I was 18 I was in an abusive relationship with a man who had an extensive criminal past of DV. He was known to social services due to his first born child being taken from him and an ex at approx 1 years old and the child was subsequently adopted.

I was young, naive and didn't know all the facts - he hadn't yet hurt me by the time I fell pregnant and I underestimated the risk he posed to me. I had no family in the area and was very isolated.

When I fell pregnant he became abusive, emotionally and verbally. I confided in a midwife at my first antenatal appointment with my concerns about his past and how he was acting with me now and i was referred to social services. They were involved with me from being 13 weeks pregnant, visiting the home and asking me to attend sure start centre classes which I did.

When I began to worry about removal I asked my SW whether I could move to another city closer to my family to help my case away from the father and I was specifically told not to because it would 'disrupt' the assessment process.

I found my sw to be very unhelpful and at 36 weeks pregnant they told me would go to court and remove my baby at birth without offering any alternative intervention despite me doing everything they'd asked. Prior to the PLO meeting which I was prevented from attending (my then solicitor was not acting in my favour) I again asked if they would support me leaving the town with my baby and I was told no, stay, no final decisions had not been made yet.

I don't feel as though I was given any support or encouragement to leave this man throughout my assessments and I accept I could have upped and left but I was young vulnerable isolated and very much under his control.

When baby was born at 38 weeks it was a Saturday, out of hours social services arrived at the hospital and told me they'd apply to court on Monday to remove my son. Foolishly, out of panic, I left the hospital with my son and took him home against their instructions. They told the hospital to call the police who came and got us, returning us to the ward where we had to stay until the social worker came to remove him on the Monday.

I didn't attend court as my solicitor said I was too emotional and it was best she go on my behalf. She said it would look better if I didn't oppose the order as it showed me accepting there was risk. I trusted her and agreed for her to go and speak on my behalf, again, and tell the court I don't oppose the interim care order being made temporarily. She didn't make me aware of any other options such as mother and baby units or mother and baby foster placements.

Order was granted on the grounds of my son being "at risk of emotional harm" and he was then taken from the hospital.

Back at home the physical abuse started where he would attack me and shortly after so did the sexual abuse. My ex coerced me into prostitution, which I am painfully ashamed to admit. I was in my own admission smoking cannabis as I struggled to cope with what was happening.

Social services had included in their mitigation that I had mental health problems which isn't the case, I've never been known to mental health services although I did have a very short period where I felt low, aged 16, where I was on antidepressants following the death of my grandparents.

While this was going on I continued to fight for my son in court, I sacked my solicitor who wasn't helping me whatsoever and began to represent myself for a period before I hired another. In my admissions I put my side across and the magistrates ruled that social services had not supported me properly prior to removal and they believed I should be given a chance to show I can look after my son. They ordered a mother and baby unit be found and me and my son taken there to be assessed properly, They wanted this done within a matter of weeks. I left the court feeling positive but scared as I knew babies dad would do something to sabotage this process and there was no orders put in place to stop him coming to my house (he had moved out and in with his mother by this point - at my request - albeit unwillingly)

Babies father didn't want this to happen as it would mean him losing control of me and me being away from him, so in the following week after the magistrates ordering social services to source a placement - he made my life hell. There was police logs from him attending my home and he sent to the social workers and court multiple indecent photographs of me telling them I'm a prostitute and unfit to be a mother.

Social services used this new information to appeal against the magistrates ruling and 'stay' the process of reuniting me with my baby in a mother and baby placement. My case was then transferred to another court in a nearby town as a result and as my son was over 6 months old by this point they wanted to conclude the case, they wanted adoption.

In one final bid to prevent the adoption I gave up my home and fled to a women's refuge where he later found me (it was a very small town and I believe somebody told him). He continued to make my life hell and I confided in the social worker about the extent of the abuse, begged them for support and was given none. My son's case concluded as adoption shortly after and there was nothing more I could do.

My ex continued to trouble me for several years. I had pressed charges for a number of assaults throughout the years, and also two counts of rape, he went on the run but unfortunately there was insufficient evidence and the CPS dropped the charges. Throughout everything I only ever managed to have him convicted of a public order offence due to a neighbour seeing him chase me down the street on an occasion shouting threats.

By the time I was 22 i was still getting grief from him and i finally found the strength to leave town. I moved to a city where my few family members were and began to rebuild my life. I was no longer smoking cannabis and suffice to say the prostitution was a thing of the past, that was only ever a factor when he was in my life- it's not something I enjoyed doing or wanted to do of my own accord.

I moved in with a relative, got a full time job and built up a good relationship with my son's adopters via our letterbox contact. I was happier and healthier than I had been in years. I missed my son painfully but accepted that adoption was the best thing for him at the time, it took me a long time to accept that.

At 23 Whilst working I met an amazing man who was a colleague, he was accepting of my past and very supportive - he had fathered two children himself and although separated from their mother he was an exemplary example of a father. You couldn't fault him. We fell pregnant but sadly lost the baby early on. Much to our delight we conceived again shortly after (this baby was very much wanted)

There was no doubt in my mind we could parent the baby well, I had a good support network around me now and he is a great man. He has no criminal record, a decent sturdy job and most importantly he is a kind man. I had turned my life around completely

I began to become frightened. Due to my past experiences with my old social workers I developed an irrational fear that our baby would be taken, so at my first antenatal appointment when the midwife asked if I had any previous social services involvement I told her no - I can't believe how stupid I was but I can't stress enough how scared I was. The fact i had miscarried not too long ago contributed to my decision, I wanted a stress free pregnancy and didn't feel as though I was ready to deal with social workers again after having such bad experiences with them before. I told them I had an older child just not that he had been adopted.

No referral was made and my pregnancy progressed well. Me and my partner saved up for a lovely little flat, a perfect place to bring our baby home to, and began preparing for his arrival.

As my due date approaches (I'm almost 31 weeks) I've been getting increasingly scared about giving birth and social services turning up to the hospital when I have our baby. My partner has never dealt with these authorities and believes they won't, but I'm frightened that something will come up on my file that will trigger them to come and remove him straight away as I've not been assessed since losing my son.

I accept that I will have to deal with social services at some point as I can't hide the past forever but naively I believed I could conceal it long enough to bring him home and evidence that I, that we, can be a loving and adequate family.

Can anybody tell me where I stand? Please no judgement. I'm already being very hard on myself losing sleep. I've contemplated referring myself to social services this week but am absolutely petrified of doing that. I'm equally as scared of them turning up at the hospital. Will this be the case despite me being in a different city hundreds of miles away?

The ex is very much out of my life and non existent these days. There's no police involvement or multi agency involvement for anything at all.

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Hannah1x · 20/11/2017 14:03

Excuse me having a blonde moment but what do you mean by act as a buffer? X

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GrabbyMcGrabby · 20/11/2017 14:06

Another party/person or thing between you and SS. Sometimes these organisations can feel difficult to deal with. If your GP is sympathetic to you then you would have an official record of 'owning up' and may get their help if you go via them. Just a thought. Is up to you!

Hannah1x · 20/11/2017 14:18

I haven't seen my GP here all that much so she doesn't know me well, I think I'd feel a little out of place making an appointment out of the blue and pouring my heart out about everything when she's none the wiser. I haven't actually seen her since getting pregnant as where I am the midwives are through self referral. If i had a good relationship with her though I would definitely have taken that avenue

I just googled the number for my local SS I'm gonna ring up now and ask how do I go about self referring and speaking to somebody. If i don't get anywhere today then at least I can have it documented that I've made an attempt x

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RainbowWish · 20/11/2017 14:28

Just wanted to say op the fact you didn't want to contact ss but you did, shows in itself how much you have grown as a person.
You are making the right steps to show you a will to work with them whatever it takes to make sure your little one is safe.
Well done and good luck!
Keep us posted we are wishing you all the best Flowers

WrittenandGrown · 20/11/2017 14:34

I don't have any advice. I wanted to say I am so sorry about what happened to you and that you should be so proud of yourself for changing your life. All the best with your new baby. FlowersBrew

Hannah1x · 20/11/2017 14:35

I've just spoken to my local SS department and was put through to a social worker.

I explained my situation and said I want to self refer as due to my history I understand they may want to come and see me to undertake an assessment. I outlined about the violent relationship and how everything is different now so am happy to work with them.

The social worker said it's really positive that I've got in touch myself as that almost never happens in their department.

I gave her my name and address and told her I've left a message with my midwife to update her aswell.

The social worker said she will speak to somebody to see where to go from here and will hopefully be able to get back to me today.

I'm feeling ok given the circumstances, just anxious.

Can't believe I just did that. Wow. No more hiding now! X

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FellOutOfBed2wice · 20/11/2017 14:37

Well done Hannah. That must have taken a lot of courage. I’m proud of you for taking the first step.

Mrsyorkie · 20/11/2017 14:41

Hi I've only read the first and last pages of your post but I wanted to tell you that you've been really brave and totally done the right thing. I'm a social worker and there are cases that can slip through the net but they would almost always get flagged up at some point. Hope the assessment goes well x

GrabbyMcGrabby · 20/11/2017 14:48

Well done! Flowers

DamsonGin · 20/11/2017 14:49

Well done, it sounds like very positive steps!

Hannah1x · 20/11/2017 14:51

Aww thank you

My midwife has just called me back too and I'm seeing her tomorrow morning. Looks like I've done everything that needs to be done now so all I can do is have faith and hope for the best now x

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Makesmilingyourbesthobby · 20/11/2017 14:55

Well done for being upfront its the best thing to do & showing wiliness to work with them, the longer you keep things from them the worse it would have been when they did clock to it, imagine its when your child's starting school or something best to have it all sorted now it work in your favour than telling them after baby is born & espes if they found out after you have gone home with baby without perhaps having a assessment that you may need to have

regularbutpanickingabit · 20/11/2017 15:06

Hannah - that was the best thing you could do for your baby and your future but also to make peace with your past. Very brave and I am full of admiration. It sounds like both your solicitor and the social worker gave you the best possible tesponsss under the circumstances and hopefully this will soon close that chapter for you. No more sinking stomach, no more butterflies when you go to appointments, no more looking over your shoulder.

rizlett · 20/11/2017 15:18

You sound like a lovely caring and responsible mum Hannah.

Remember too that a lot of your current fears and anxiety is related to what happened before and not to what is happening now.

Wishing you all the best. Flowers

Mrsyorkie · 20/11/2017 15:49

SW will absolutely understand that you were terrified. They'll want you to show some understanding to the mistake you made of not telling them and reading your posts you clearly have.

Hannah1x · 20/11/2017 16:16

SS have just called me back. They asked for my midwives name and contact number which I gave them.

She asked whether I had been asked at any point by the MW team if I had any involvement with SS. I said her that I was asked once at the very first appointment by the community midwife but told her no. I then said as time has gone by I've realised how relevant it actually is and that's why I've taken the steps I have now.

They asked me if I am fine with them contacting my midwife and I said yes. They also said they will be contacting my previous LA where I lived before.

I asked whether there's anything I should be doing in the mean time before they get back to me with the next steps and she said no. After she's done some checks it will be decided whether I need an assessment and if so I'll be allocated a specific social worker ASAP as theyll want to have it done as soon as, before baby is born.

It looks like they may have spoken to my MW by the time I see her tomorrow, but that's okay as I'm coming clean to everyone relevant any way.

To be honest I don't think there is a cats chance in hell of me not needing an assessment, so I'm ready for one to take place, the sooner the better.

My other half is asleep at the min (night shift pattern) and has no idea I've taken the second step of referring myself to SS aswell as reaching out to the MW. I think he will be surprised I've done it as I've been so frightened x

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prettywhiteguitar · 20/11/2017 16:19

Well done that was incredibly brave, I bet your heart was pounding! I think you have done the right thing and I hope that they treat you with kindness and respect x

SanFranBear · 20/11/2017 16:21

That is wonderful, Hannah - you are clearly a very different person from who you were and I truly hope it goes well for you.

DamsonGin · 20/11/2017 16:26

I think you're right that they'll probably want to carry out an assessment but the fact that you've faced up to the difficulties you've had in the past and accept your role in it all should give you strength to be able to answer any tough questions they may ask you. I think you've shown quite a lot of emotional maturity in that. Hope it all goes well.

Wellfuckmeinbothears · 20/11/2017 16:32

Well done Hannah, that can’t have been easy. Thinking of you Flowers

LostwithSawyer · 20/11/2017 16:49

I didn't want to read and run.
You have been let down by SS in the past but you are a different person. They will see that and I'm sure things will turn out right this time.

Please keep us updated. Flowers

Hannah1x · 20/11/2017 16:51

Does anyone have any idea how I could word things with my midwife tomorrow, about the fact I've allowed people to believe I have my son at home with me.

It's going to be such an awkward conversation. Obviously the basis of my explanation will be that i was worried about ss involvement, but I don't want it to look as though I've been calculating about it all x

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Howsthings1234 · 20/11/2017 17:03

All you can do is be honest. Don’t beat yourself up over it anymore - I think explaining you were terrified and you are sorry will be enough. Good luck xxx

DellaWare · 20/11/2017 17:34

I'm afraid I don't have any advice other than to be honest and open but just wanted to say well done for taking the first step which is always the hardest. I'm rooting for you and hope that SS come to see how amazing you are for turning your whole life around. Am thinking of you and wish you all the very best.

Toooldtobearsed · 20/11/2017 17:50

Hannah, simply say 'I am so sorry, I panicked'. Anyone with 2 brain cells would understand 😊

And by the way, I think you are incredible - I would be proud to have you as a daughter.

Good luck - you have taken the hardest step, you have a wonderful future ahead of you.