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Pregnant after having child removed at birth

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Hannah1x · 17/11/2017 09:09

Hi all, I'm desperate for some advice and would appreciate feedback from anybody who works in social work, has experience in law or has had personal experience with dealing with social services in subsequent pregnancies after having a child removed.

Im 24 yrs old. When I was 18 I was in an abusive relationship with a man who had an extensive criminal past of DV. He was known to social services due to his first born child being taken from him and an ex at approx 1 years old and the child was subsequently adopted.

I was young, naive and didn't know all the facts - he hadn't yet hurt me by the time I fell pregnant and I underestimated the risk he posed to me. I had no family in the area and was very isolated.

When I fell pregnant he became abusive, emotionally and verbally. I confided in a midwife at my first antenatal appointment with my concerns about his past and how he was acting with me now and i was referred to social services. They were involved with me from being 13 weeks pregnant, visiting the home and asking me to attend sure start centre classes which I did.

When I began to worry about removal I asked my SW whether I could move to another city closer to my family to help my case away from the father and I was specifically told not to because it would 'disrupt' the assessment process.

I found my sw to be very unhelpful and at 36 weeks pregnant they told me would go to court and remove my baby at birth without offering any alternative intervention despite me doing everything they'd asked. Prior to the PLO meeting which I was prevented from attending (my then solicitor was not acting in my favour) I again asked if they would support me leaving the town with my baby and I was told no, stay, no final decisions had not been made yet.

I don't feel as though I was given any support or encouragement to leave this man throughout my assessments and I accept I could have upped and left but I was young vulnerable isolated and very much under his control.

When baby was born at 38 weeks it was a Saturday, out of hours social services arrived at the hospital and told me they'd apply to court on Monday to remove my son. Foolishly, out of panic, I left the hospital with my son and took him home against their instructions. They told the hospital to call the police who came and got us, returning us to the ward where we had to stay until the social worker came to remove him on the Monday.

I didn't attend court as my solicitor said I was too emotional and it was best she go on my behalf. She said it would look better if I didn't oppose the order as it showed me accepting there was risk. I trusted her and agreed for her to go and speak on my behalf, again, and tell the court I don't oppose the interim care order being made temporarily. She didn't make me aware of any other options such as mother and baby units or mother and baby foster placements.

Order was granted on the grounds of my son being "at risk of emotional harm" and he was then taken from the hospital.

Back at home the physical abuse started where he would attack me and shortly after so did the sexual abuse. My ex coerced me into prostitution, which I am painfully ashamed to admit. I was in my own admission smoking cannabis as I struggled to cope with what was happening.

Social services had included in their mitigation that I had mental health problems which isn't the case, I've never been known to mental health services although I did have a very short period where I felt low, aged 16, where I was on antidepressants following the death of my grandparents.

While this was going on I continued to fight for my son in court, I sacked my solicitor who wasn't helping me whatsoever and began to represent myself for a period before I hired another. In my admissions I put my side across and the magistrates ruled that social services had not supported me properly prior to removal and they believed I should be given a chance to show I can look after my son. They ordered a mother and baby unit be found and me and my son taken there to be assessed properly, They wanted this done within a matter of weeks. I left the court feeling positive but scared as I knew babies dad would do something to sabotage this process and there was no orders put in place to stop him coming to my house (he had moved out and in with his mother by this point - at my request - albeit unwillingly)

Babies father didn't want this to happen as it would mean him losing control of me and me being away from him, so in the following week after the magistrates ordering social services to source a placement - he made my life hell. There was police logs from him attending my home and he sent to the social workers and court multiple indecent photographs of me telling them I'm a prostitute and unfit to be a mother.

Social services used this new information to appeal against the magistrates ruling and 'stay' the process of reuniting me with my baby in a mother and baby placement. My case was then transferred to another court in a nearby town as a result and as my son was over 6 months old by this point they wanted to conclude the case, they wanted adoption.

In one final bid to prevent the adoption I gave up my home and fled to a women's refuge where he later found me (it was a very small town and I believe somebody told him). He continued to make my life hell and I confided in the social worker about the extent of the abuse, begged them for support and was given none. My son's case concluded as adoption shortly after and there was nothing more I could do.

My ex continued to trouble me for several years. I had pressed charges for a number of assaults throughout the years, and also two counts of rape, he went on the run but unfortunately there was insufficient evidence and the CPS dropped the charges. Throughout everything I only ever managed to have him convicted of a public order offence due to a neighbour seeing him chase me down the street on an occasion shouting threats.

By the time I was 22 i was still getting grief from him and i finally found the strength to leave town. I moved to a city where my few family members were and began to rebuild my life. I was no longer smoking cannabis and suffice to say the prostitution was a thing of the past, that was only ever a factor when he was in my life- it's not something I enjoyed doing or wanted to do of my own accord.

I moved in with a relative, got a full time job and built up a good relationship with my son's adopters via our letterbox contact. I was happier and healthier than I had been in years. I missed my son painfully but accepted that adoption was the best thing for him at the time, it took me a long time to accept that.

At 23 Whilst working I met an amazing man who was a colleague, he was accepting of my past and very supportive - he had fathered two children himself and although separated from their mother he was an exemplary example of a father. You couldn't fault him. We fell pregnant but sadly lost the baby early on. Much to our delight we conceived again shortly after (this baby was very much wanted)

There was no doubt in my mind we could parent the baby well, I had a good support network around me now and he is a great man. He has no criminal record, a decent sturdy job and most importantly he is a kind man. I had turned my life around completely

I began to become frightened. Due to my past experiences with my old social workers I developed an irrational fear that our baby would be taken, so at my first antenatal appointment when the midwife asked if I had any previous social services involvement I told her no - I can't believe how stupid I was but I can't stress enough how scared I was. The fact i had miscarried not too long ago contributed to my decision, I wanted a stress free pregnancy and didn't feel as though I was ready to deal with social workers again after having such bad experiences with them before. I told them I had an older child just not that he had been adopted.

No referral was made and my pregnancy progressed well. Me and my partner saved up for a lovely little flat, a perfect place to bring our baby home to, and began preparing for his arrival.

As my due date approaches (I'm almost 31 weeks) I've been getting increasingly scared about giving birth and social services turning up to the hospital when I have our baby. My partner has never dealt with these authorities and believes they won't, but I'm frightened that something will come up on my file that will trigger them to come and remove him straight away as I've not been assessed since losing my son.

I accept that I will have to deal with social services at some point as I can't hide the past forever but naively I believed I could conceal it long enough to bring him home and evidence that I, that we, can be a loving and adequate family.

Can anybody tell me where I stand? Please no judgement. I'm already being very hard on myself losing sleep. I've contemplated referring myself to social services this week but am absolutely petrified of doing that. I'm equally as scared of them turning up at the hospital. Will this be the case despite me being in a different city hundreds of miles away?

The ex is very much out of my life and non existent these days. There's no police involvement or multi agency involvement for anything at all.

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PotteringAlong · 21/11/2017 10:29

I'm so glad it went well Flowers

McTufty · 21/11/2017 10:36

Well done OP, so pleased the midwife is being supportive Smile

WellThisIsShit · 21/11/2017 11:02

Well done!

I know how hard that must have been and you should be super proud of yourself for doing it.

Well done x a million :)

You may have some tough conversations in the future, but it’s brilliant that your midwife is supportive, and has responded well.

I agree that you don’t have to mention the prostitution or anything that happened unrelated to the adoption. You still have a right to your privacy just like anyone else.

A final well done and a massive hug and pat on the back for doing this, and handling it so well.

redexpat · 21/11/2017 12:09

Well donebyou

Hannah1x · 21/11/2017 12:46

The SW I spoke to yesterday has just called me back to check I spoke with the midwife today and asked what she said. I relayed everything I got told this morning.

She's going to contact SS in my hometown today and see what info they can give her. I'm definitely going to be assessed she says, just need to wait for the info to be transferred over then they'll be in touch.

A little worried about going over the whole prostitution thing as it won't be nice for my OH to hear all the grotty details. The things my ex sent in to the social workers were very explicit.

I've told him it happened but obviously he didn't want to hear the finer details, nor would I if I was him.

Still. I have to deal with that now. It's in the past.

I'll continue to update here when the assessment begins x

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Toooldtobearsed · 21/11/2017 13:08

Hannah would it be easier for you to talk about your background without your partner there? I would like to think the SW would be amenable to splitting the assessment into two parts - one with you alone and one with both of you.
I know I would find it difficult to talk openly about stuff like that too.

Chin up sweetie, you are doing brilliantly!

Hannah1x · 21/11/2017 13:31

Good point :)

I will ask whether that is possible. I hope it is. So long as he knows my history which he does, I don't think it's unreasonable to want to spare him the gorey details especially as he knows for a fact i would never to back down that avenue

Thank you hun x

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OlennasWimple · 21/11/2017 13:40

Flowers Brew

Maybe not now, but if at some point you want some MN support regarding your first child, the adoption board here is a great resource. There are other birth parents who post there, as well as adoptive parents, adoptees and social workers. (Apologies if you already know this)

Hannah1x · 21/11/2017 13:47

I didn't know that actually, I'll definitely take a look :)

It's always good to speak to other women who can relate x

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Frazzled2207 · 21/11/2017 15:46

Well done for speaking to the mw. You’ve done the right thing and as long as you cooperate and tell the story as it is you needn’t worry.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 21/11/2017 20:12

I just wanted to say good work, OP. You’re doing an amazing job. Flowers

LoveProsecco · 21/11/2017 20:16

Well done OP

Jellybean85 · 22/11/2017 10:21

Well done Op it must feel good to be getting on top of it all! Part of the assessment is you together and usually at least one session each alone, you could request you do the more detailed stuff in that part? Explain that your partner is aware of history but you don't really want to go into loads of graphic detail in front of him. In all honesty they won't need that much detail about the events themselves more the circumstances that led you there and how things are different now

bibliomania · 22/11/2017 15:24

Congratulations on facing this square-on, OP. I think you are a woman of remarkable character.

Hannah1x · 22/11/2017 16:47

Thanks ladies. Definitely gonna ask for the more in-depth conversations to be had between just me and the SW :)

I started the freedom programme today. It's £12 for the online course and I know social services are keen for women with a DV history to do it. I was asked to do it many years ago before i left my ex, but as my then-SW included her request in paperwork that was shared with the perpetrator, I couldn't do it. We were living together at the time.

Still. It can only be a good thing that I've started it now off my own initiative and haven't waited for them to make it a requirement. It's never too late to educate myself I guess :) x

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DamsonGin · 22/11/2017 16:53

That's really proactive, great stuff! And as you say, might actually be useful too after your partner back then.

bibliomania · 22/11/2017 16:58

Good move. And I think you'll find it interesting (I've read the materials).

Domani · 23/11/2017 02:25

Been watching the thread Hannah 1x and just wanted to say well done and good luck.Flowers

Hannah1x · 27/11/2017 09:17

Hi all

Nothing back from social services yet were still waiting for them to call and make an appointment to see us.

Any idea how long a pre birth assessment takes? I'm a touch worried about how little time I have left before I have bump (end of January if he stays put until then!)

With my first son I had them involved from 13 weeks and they decided on removal at 36 weeks so I'm a little unclear on when the "assessment" period actually started

Tia x

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Jellybean85 · 27/11/2017 09:33

Hi Hannah, it usually takes 8 - 12 weeks but honestly varies from area to area and how long since the last child etc. If you had only just had previous baby removed for example and nothing had changed it would be very short. If you have a contact name no harm emailing and out lining that you're keen to cooperate and demonstrate the change you've made. Start gathering evidence of change if you can, something concrete, help to persuade them there is no reason to be concerned after birth and that you can take baby home

Hannah1x · 27/11/2017 09:37

Any idea what would be a good start 'RE gathering evidence of change? I've started doing the freedom program already but unsure what else they'd like to see.

I could pass a drugs test for cannabis if they wanted that but I wouldn't know how to go about getting one without it being court ordered

I don't have a contact name yet only the name of the lady who said she was going to contact my last LA to gather my files. She said she wasn't going to be my allocated SW though and was just the first port of contact when I self referred x

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Domani · 27/11/2017 10:12

Do you see GP much? Maybe explain things to them and ask how to otain drug test and then ask him/her to write a letter confirming his opinion that you are stable, etc. Maybe midwife letter confirming you have attended all appointments and scans? Then you would have midwife letter, gp letter, drug test result and freedom course completed. Can't think of anything else but hopefully a sw will come on and advise.

Hannah1x · 27/11/2017 10:26

Hardly see my GP at all and haven't once since I got pregnant (midwives was self referral) so not sure the Gp can offer much. It's a new gp as I only moved here in late 2016.

Midwife can confirm I've attended all my appointments however I have have to rearrange a glucose test at the hospital that a consultant requested (i was seeing a consultant for placenta previa) it was them who requested the test and not MW. I was up half the night with sickness from acid reflux and got there late on the day of the test, as I was late they had to rebook. Not sure if that will go against me.

I'm gonna call SS momentarily and speak to the women I spoke to before, hopefully she can give an indication of when someone can come out.

Full of anxiety now tbh:(

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Domani · 27/11/2017 10:32

Well of course, you will be, it's a massive worry. Flowers Did you attend the re-booking though? And are you placenta previa?

Hannah1x · 27/11/2017 10:36

The 're booking is for this Thursday and I'll definitely be attending. I had complete placenta previa which has now thankfully moved and I'm all clear for a natural delivery, there are just a few concerns about babies size as he's measuring as a little fatty so they want to rule out gestational diabetes x

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