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Pregnant after having child removed at birth

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Hannah1x · 17/11/2017 09:09

Hi all, I'm desperate for some advice and would appreciate feedback from anybody who works in social work, has experience in law or has had personal experience with dealing with social services in subsequent pregnancies after having a child removed.

Im 24 yrs old. When I was 18 I was in an abusive relationship with a man who had an extensive criminal past of DV. He was known to social services due to his first born child being taken from him and an ex at approx 1 years old and the child was subsequently adopted.

I was young, naive and didn't know all the facts - he hadn't yet hurt me by the time I fell pregnant and I underestimated the risk he posed to me. I had no family in the area and was very isolated.

When I fell pregnant he became abusive, emotionally and verbally. I confided in a midwife at my first antenatal appointment with my concerns about his past and how he was acting with me now and i was referred to social services. They were involved with me from being 13 weeks pregnant, visiting the home and asking me to attend sure start centre classes which I did.

When I began to worry about removal I asked my SW whether I could move to another city closer to my family to help my case away from the father and I was specifically told not to because it would 'disrupt' the assessment process.

I found my sw to be very unhelpful and at 36 weeks pregnant they told me would go to court and remove my baby at birth without offering any alternative intervention despite me doing everything they'd asked. Prior to the PLO meeting which I was prevented from attending (my then solicitor was not acting in my favour) I again asked if they would support me leaving the town with my baby and I was told no, stay, no final decisions had not been made yet.

I don't feel as though I was given any support or encouragement to leave this man throughout my assessments and I accept I could have upped and left but I was young vulnerable isolated and very much under his control.

When baby was born at 38 weeks it was a Saturday, out of hours social services arrived at the hospital and told me they'd apply to court on Monday to remove my son. Foolishly, out of panic, I left the hospital with my son and took him home against their instructions. They told the hospital to call the police who came and got us, returning us to the ward where we had to stay until the social worker came to remove him on the Monday.

I didn't attend court as my solicitor said I was too emotional and it was best she go on my behalf. She said it would look better if I didn't oppose the order as it showed me accepting there was risk. I trusted her and agreed for her to go and speak on my behalf, again, and tell the court I don't oppose the interim care order being made temporarily. She didn't make me aware of any other options such as mother and baby units or mother and baby foster placements.

Order was granted on the grounds of my son being "at risk of emotional harm" and he was then taken from the hospital.

Back at home the physical abuse started where he would attack me and shortly after so did the sexual abuse. My ex coerced me into prostitution, which I am painfully ashamed to admit. I was in my own admission smoking cannabis as I struggled to cope with what was happening.

Social services had included in their mitigation that I had mental health problems which isn't the case, I've never been known to mental health services although I did have a very short period where I felt low, aged 16, where I was on antidepressants following the death of my grandparents.

While this was going on I continued to fight for my son in court, I sacked my solicitor who wasn't helping me whatsoever and began to represent myself for a period before I hired another. In my admissions I put my side across and the magistrates ruled that social services had not supported me properly prior to removal and they believed I should be given a chance to show I can look after my son. They ordered a mother and baby unit be found and me and my son taken there to be assessed properly, They wanted this done within a matter of weeks. I left the court feeling positive but scared as I knew babies dad would do something to sabotage this process and there was no orders put in place to stop him coming to my house (he had moved out and in with his mother by this point - at my request - albeit unwillingly)

Babies father didn't want this to happen as it would mean him losing control of me and me being away from him, so in the following week after the magistrates ordering social services to source a placement - he made my life hell. There was police logs from him attending my home and he sent to the social workers and court multiple indecent photographs of me telling them I'm a prostitute and unfit to be a mother.

Social services used this new information to appeal against the magistrates ruling and 'stay' the process of reuniting me with my baby in a mother and baby placement. My case was then transferred to another court in a nearby town as a result and as my son was over 6 months old by this point they wanted to conclude the case, they wanted adoption.

In one final bid to prevent the adoption I gave up my home and fled to a women's refuge where he later found me (it was a very small town and I believe somebody told him). He continued to make my life hell and I confided in the social worker about the extent of the abuse, begged them for support and was given none. My son's case concluded as adoption shortly after and there was nothing more I could do.

My ex continued to trouble me for several years. I had pressed charges for a number of assaults throughout the years, and also two counts of rape, he went on the run but unfortunately there was insufficient evidence and the CPS dropped the charges. Throughout everything I only ever managed to have him convicted of a public order offence due to a neighbour seeing him chase me down the street on an occasion shouting threats.

By the time I was 22 i was still getting grief from him and i finally found the strength to leave town. I moved to a city where my few family members were and began to rebuild my life. I was no longer smoking cannabis and suffice to say the prostitution was a thing of the past, that was only ever a factor when he was in my life- it's not something I enjoyed doing or wanted to do of my own accord.

I moved in with a relative, got a full time job and built up a good relationship with my son's adopters via our letterbox contact. I was happier and healthier than I had been in years. I missed my son painfully but accepted that adoption was the best thing for him at the time, it took me a long time to accept that.

At 23 Whilst working I met an amazing man who was a colleague, he was accepting of my past and very supportive - he had fathered two children himself and although separated from their mother he was an exemplary example of a father. You couldn't fault him. We fell pregnant but sadly lost the baby early on. Much to our delight we conceived again shortly after (this baby was very much wanted)

There was no doubt in my mind we could parent the baby well, I had a good support network around me now and he is a great man. He has no criminal record, a decent sturdy job and most importantly he is a kind man. I had turned my life around completely

I began to become frightened. Due to my past experiences with my old social workers I developed an irrational fear that our baby would be taken, so at my first antenatal appointment when the midwife asked if I had any previous social services involvement I told her no - I can't believe how stupid I was but I can't stress enough how scared I was. The fact i had miscarried not too long ago contributed to my decision, I wanted a stress free pregnancy and didn't feel as though I was ready to deal with social workers again after having such bad experiences with them before. I told them I had an older child just not that he had been adopted.

No referral was made and my pregnancy progressed well. Me and my partner saved up for a lovely little flat, a perfect place to bring our baby home to, and began preparing for his arrival.

As my due date approaches (I'm almost 31 weeks) I've been getting increasingly scared about giving birth and social services turning up to the hospital when I have our baby. My partner has never dealt with these authorities and believes they won't, but I'm frightened that something will come up on my file that will trigger them to come and remove him straight away as I've not been assessed since losing my son.

I accept that I will have to deal with social services at some point as I can't hide the past forever but naively I believed I could conceal it long enough to bring him home and evidence that I, that we, can be a loving and adequate family.

Can anybody tell me where I stand? Please no judgement. I'm already being very hard on myself losing sleep. I've contemplated referring myself to social services this week but am absolutely petrified of doing that. I'm equally as scared of them turning up at the hospital. Will this be the case despite me being in a different city hundreds of miles away?

The ex is very much out of my life and non existent these days. There's no police involvement or multi agency involvement for anything at all.

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GetYourRocksOff · 14/01/2018 15:49

Congratulations x

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LoveProsecco · 14/01/2018 20:00

Congratulations Hannah!

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redexpat · 14/01/2018 20:10

Congratulations! Great update. Enjoy your new life with your new family.

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foodiefil · 14/01/2018 20:19

Wonderful news, congratulations x

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WaitrosePigeon · 15/01/2018 09:12

Congratulations! Wishing you all a happy and healthy life together xx

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Lazyleo · 15/01/2018 09:51

Congratulations Hannah! So thrilled for you at the way things have turned out this time. Wishing you much happiness in the future xx

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FlippingFoal · 15/01/2018 09:57

What a beautiful update. So pleased for you.

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Parisetoile · 15/01/2018 10:10

So many congratulations for you and your family. I too have followed your post and thought about you. Thank you so much for continuing to post, it is so amazing to read your journey, and to find out that you have your beautiful baby, and a loving family. I really really couldn't be happier for you. Well done. You are amazing to have found the strength to make this change happen in your life. (and also big congrats to your super supportive partner) I am in awe!!!! All my best wishes.

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BeeMyBaby · 15/01/2018 16:38

Congratulations!

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DamsonGin · 15/01/2018 17:00

Congratulations!!! Smile

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babymouse · 15/01/2018 18:14

Congratulations! Flowers

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Hannah1x · 16/01/2018 01:36

Hello all

We are now settled in at home, am I dreaming?

We ended up coming home sunday afternoon and didn't need to wait until Monday after all. The hospital had got in touch with social services already who said there was no concerns and we could leave as soon as baby was ready.. a midwife came to our ward at noon and asked how I felt about being discharged, It was music to my ears :-D

I love this little person more than life itself. I'm so happy. He is amazing.

We had a midwife visit Monday morning, they were happy we are both doing very well.

I haven't heard anything from my social worker at all, I'm not sure whether she would have wanted to come and see us or not, even if just to return my files, but she hasn't called yet. I'll have to talk to her this week to arrange getting back my documents that I gave her for my assessment, but I imagine she's probably rushed off her feet with other cases that need her immediate attention. I'll give her a call later in the week if I haven't heard from her.

Thanks again for all your well wishes :-)

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Bubbaleo · 16/01/2018 03:10

Congrats to you and dp, Hannah FlowersFlowers Give baby a big kiss from me, and don't forget the old saying "sleep when the baby sleeps" Grin x

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Loyaultemelie · 17/01/2018 21:59

Congratulations what a brilliant outcome for you all Thanks enjoy your new baby

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TheGoodEnoughWife · 20/01/2018 23:08

Congratulations :-)

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DellaWare · 05/02/2018 21:59

I’m very late to the party on this one but I’ve just read all your updates and wanted to let you know how thrilled I am for you. You really are an amazing person. I’m so so pleased for you. Congratulations Smile

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ivehadtonamechangeforthis · 16/02/2018 11:34

Been reading some truly heartbreaking stuff about forced adoption lately and it made me think of you. As my name says I've name changed but supported you on your thread from the start.

Hope you're well and enjoying your son and family life.

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Afreshcuppateaplease · 16/02/2018 11:40

Well done op!

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VaguelyAware · 16/02/2018 12:01

I've just read this thread with my heart in my throat, following your sad experience with your first child - I am so happy that you got a good outcome with your new baby. Hope you are able to establish proper contact with your elder child too. Flowers

Get lots of rest whenever you can, & enjoy cuddling your beautiful baby boy. x

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DeriArms · 17/02/2018 20:41

Hi Hannah, I’ve just found/read this thread. Many, many congratulations to you. I’m a children social worker and one of the very best things about this job is meeting people like you.
I wonder if you’ve ever come across Surviving Safeguarding’s blog? She is on twitter as well as @survivecourt.
Not that you’ll have much time for it with your newborn...
All the very best for the future to you and your family.

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annannsmith · 14/11/2018 15:34

please promise me you will give birth abroad. The middle east is the best place to bring up your child. However Sweden has a better nhs than ours and SS are unlikely to turn up there. I was in the same position as you a couple of years ago. SS turned up with out any warning.
good luck
i believe they will come and take your child away if you stay in this country.
I don't want you to suffer the way i did. My past history at the time was no where near as bad as yours either, and they took my child away.
good luck and have the sweetest time with your new born. Children are a blessing- keep safe!!!

kind regards
ann

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gamerchick · 14/11/2018 15:40

Anna this thread is old.

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JellyBears · 15/11/2018 15:17

Did you read the update above lol the op has her baby home.

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Purplerain067 · 15/11/2018 18:29

I remember this thread so well & when I spotted it in active I was really hoping that it was the OP to say she had gained some type of contact with her first born son! But it was just annannsmith Hmm

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Freddy3006 · 04/10/2019 00:47

My auntie has legal guardianship of my son she has done since May this year i went through a really rough time and didn't cooperate with social witch I now regret I have another child oon the way but the father on this child has been convicted of murder but he didn't do it is there any chance social will take this child away or will they let me keep it. I'm in alot better place than I was then and think I'm in the right space of mind to cooporate this time

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