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Pregnant after having child removed at birth

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Hannah1x · 17/11/2017 09:09

Hi all, I'm desperate for some advice and would appreciate feedback from anybody who works in social work, has experience in law or has had personal experience with dealing with social services in subsequent pregnancies after having a child removed.

Im 24 yrs old. When I was 18 I was in an abusive relationship with a man who had an extensive criminal past of DV. He was known to social services due to his first born child being taken from him and an ex at approx 1 years old and the child was subsequently adopted.

I was young, naive and didn't know all the facts - he hadn't yet hurt me by the time I fell pregnant and I underestimated the risk he posed to me. I had no family in the area and was very isolated.

When I fell pregnant he became abusive, emotionally and verbally. I confided in a midwife at my first antenatal appointment with my concerns about his past and how he was acting with me now and i was referred to social services. They were involved with me from being 13 weeks pregnant, visiting the home and asking me to attend sure start centre classes which I did.

When I began to worry about removal I asked my SW whether I could move to another city closer to my family to help my case away from the father and I was specifically told not to because it would 'disrupt' the assessment process.

I found my sw to be very unhelpful and at 36 weeks pregnant they told me would go to court and remove my baby at birth without offering any alternative intervention despite me doing everything they'd asked. Prior to the PLO meeting which I was prevented from attending (my then solicitor was not acting in my favour) I again asked if they would support me leaving the town with my baby and I was told no, stay, no final decisions had not been made yet.

I don't feel as though I was given any support or encouragement to leave this man throughout my assessments and I accept I could have upped and left but I was young vulnerable isolated and very much under his control.

When baby was born at 38 weeks it was a Saturday, out of hours social services arrived at the hospital and told me they'd apply to court on Monday to remove my son. Foolishly, out of panic, I left the hospital with my son and took him home against their instructions. They told the hospital to call the police who came and got us, returning us to the ward where we had to stay until the social worker came to remove him on the Monday.

I didn't attend court as my solicitor said I was too emotional and it was best she go on my behalf. She said it would look better if I didn't oppose the order as it showed me accepting there was risk. I trusted her and agreed for her to go and speak on my behalf, again, and tell the court I don't oppose the interim care order being made temporarily. She didn't make me aware of any other options such as mother and baby units or mother and baby foster placements.

Order was granted on the grounds of my son being "at risk of emotional harm" and he was then taken from the hospital.

Back at home the physical abuse started where he would attack me and shortly after so did the sexual abuse. My ex coerced me into prostitution, which I am painfully ashamed to admit. I was in my own admission smoking cannabis as I struggled to cope with what was happening.

Social services had included in their mitigation that I had mental health problems which isn't the case, I've never been known to mental health services although I did have a very short period where I felt low, aged 16, where I was on antidepressants following the death of my grandparents.

While this was going on I continued to fight for my son in court, I sacked my solicitor who wasn't helping me whatsoever and began to represent myself for a period before I hired another. In my admissions I put my side across and the magistrates ruled that social services had not supported me properly prior to removal and they believed I should be given a chance to show I can look after my son. They ordered a mother and baby unit be found and me and my son taken there to be assessed properly, They wanted this done within a matter of weeks. I left the court feeling positive but scared as I knew babies dad would do something to sabotage this process and there was no orders put in place to stop him coming to my house (he had moved out and in with his mother by this point - at my request - albeit unwillingly)

Babies father didn't want this to happen as it would mean him losing control of me and me being away from him, so in the following week after the magistrates ordering social services to source a placement - he made my life hell. There was police logs from him attending my home and he sent to the social workers and court multiple indecent photographs of me telling them I'm a prostitute and unfit to be a mother.

Social services used this new information to appeal against the magistrates ruling and 'stay' the process of reuniting me with my baby in a mother and baby placement. My case was then transferred to another court in a nearby town as a result and as my son was over 6 months old by this point they wanted to conclude the case, they wanted adoption.

In one final bid to prevent the adoption I gave up my home and fled to a women's refuge where he later found me (it was a very small town and I believe somebody told him). He continued to make my life hell and I confided in the social worker about the extent of the abuse, begged them for support and was given none. My son's case concluded as adoption shortly after and there was nothing more I could do.

My ex continued to trouble me for several years. I had pressed charges for a number of assaults throughout the years, and also two counts of rape, he went on the run but unfortunately there was insufficient evidence and the CPS dropped the charges. Throughout everything I only ever managed to have him convicted of a public order offence due to a neighbour seeing him chase me down the street on an occasion shouting threats.

By the time I was 22 i was still getting grief from him and i finally found the strength to leave town. I moved to a city where my few family members were and began to rebuild my life. I was no longer smoking cannabis and suffice to say the prostitution was a thing of the past, that was only ever a factor when he was in my life- it's not something I enjoyed doing or wanted to do of my own accord.

I moved in with a relative, got a full time job and built up a good relationship with my son's adopters via our letterbox contact. I was happier and healthier than I had been in years. I missed my son painfully but accepted that adoption was the best thing for him at the time, it took me a long time to accept that.

At 23 Whilst working I met an amazing man who was a colleague, he was accepting of my past and very supportive - he had fathered two children himself and although separated from their mother he was an exemplary example of a father. You couldn't fault him. We fell pregnant but sadly lost the baby early on. Much to our delight we conceived again shortly after (this baby was very much wanted)

There was no doubt in my mind we could parent the baby well, I had a good support network around me now and he is a great man. He has no criminal record, a decent sturdy job and most importantly he is a kind man. I had turned my life around completely

I began to become frightened. Due to my past experiences with my old social workers I developed an irrational fear that our baby would be taken, so at my first antenatal appointment when the midwife asked if I had any previous social services involvement I told her no - I can't believe how stupid I was but I can't stress enough how scared I was. The fact i had miscarried not too long ago contributed to my decision, I wanted a stress free pregnancy and didn't feel as though I was ready to deal with social workers again after having such bad experiences with them before. I told them I had an older child just not that he had been adopted.

No referral was made and my pregnancy progressed well. Me and my partner saved up for a lovely little flat, a perfect place to bring our baby home to, and began preparing for his arrival.

As my due date approaches (I'm almost 31 weeks) I've been getting increasingly scared about giving birth and social services turning up to the hospital when I have our baby. My partner has never dealt with these authorities and believes they won't, but I'm frightened that something will come up on my file that will trigger them to come and remove him straight away as I've not been assessed since losing my son.

I accept that I will have to deal with social services at some point as I can't hide the past forever but naively I believed I could conceal it long enough to bring him home and evidence that I, that we, can be a loving and adequate family.

Can anybody tell me where I stand? Please no judgement. I'm already being very hard on myself losing sleep. I've contemplated referring myself to social services this week but am absolutely petrified of doing that. I'm equally as scared of them turning up at the hospital. Will this be the case despite me being in a different city hundreds of miles away?

The ex is very much out of my life and non existent these days. There's no police involvement or multi agency involvement for anything at all.

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DIngdongmerryilyonhigh · 28/12/2017 15:10

I'm really hoping Hannah comes back with an update once baby has arrived and dealings with SW's are over.

foodiefil · 28/12/2017 20:10

Hope you're doing ok darling x @Hannah1x

MadisonAvenue · 28/12/2017 20:13

Hope everything is okay

youarenotkiddingme · 28/12/2017 20:50

Another just checking in - hope you've enjoyed your Christmas and wish you all the best for 2018 Thanks

Bubbaleo · 03/01/2018 00:56

Hannah, Hope everything is alright with you, dp and baby. Best wishes for the New Year Flowers

Bubbaleo · 10/01/2018 13:02

Hannah, still thinking of you and hoping you are all ok Flowers

DIngdongmerryilyonhigh · 11/01/2018 13:50

Another one here just popping on to see if there's an update :)

Baby must be due very soon now Hannah, hope you and and baby are doing well and everything is working out in your favour.

Please do let us know when the dust settles. x

Hannah1x · 12/01/2018 19:13

Hello all, just dropping by to give you an update seeing as you were all so supportive and coached me through what was a very difficult time.

I write this with tears coming down my face as it seems too good to be true. I got this message from my pre birth social worker today.

" Hi xxxxxx. I tried calling you but no response. How are you? Any signs of baby? I wanted to let you know that we had the legal meeting yesterday and everyone was impressed with your level of reflection and how you have changed your circumstances. It was decided that we are happy for you to go home from hospital with baby. I will let your midwife know when she is back at work on Monday. I'm not working today so will call you on Monday - we just want to make sure you have all the support needed after baby arrives. Have a good weekend"

My son is coming home. They have no concerns. I cannot believe it. I have been on tender hooks ever since I referred myself, expecting the worst. I imagined the best outcome for me would be for dad to be given parental responsibility, never in a million years did I think they would have any faith in me as a mummy. I actually did it. I've proven my previous local authority wrong.

My pre birth social worker has been amazingly unbiased, helpful and compassionate. I feel as though I owe her the world but she only sees it as doing her job. This woman has reinstated my faith in social services and I no longer see them as the enemy, there are some amazing social workers who want the best for both mother and baby - I'm sure I've encountered a few on this thread!

I just wanted to thank you all for your support and encouragement when I felt hopeless. I've come a long way from the rabbit in the headlights I was before I referred myself. I'm so glad I came here and posted, and got the push that I did to do the right thing.

My little one is due in ten days and I can't wait to see his face. I am the size of a house so very keen for this pregnancy to be over and to bring my little (well I say little, I'm told he weighs almost 10lbs right now as I had a scan recently) back home.

I plan to apply for access with my first born. Now i have evidenced my ability to reflect and change my life, I hope a judge will consider an s51 application for contact. If anyone knows how I go about this, I would really appreciate some direction. I'm going to ask my pre birth SW about it all on Monday. I have every faith this is something she will support me in.

I'm just so happy.

When I woke and saw the missed call I panicked, sure it was bad news, then I read her message and almost dropped to the floor! My poor partner nearly dropped his coffee the way I came running in, he said he thought I was going to tell him my waters had gone ha ha.

Happy new year everybody. Once again thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your support and encouragement, I mean it wholeheartedly when I say that I have alot to thank you guys for. If it wasn't for the advice and encouragement I received here I may not have referred myself.. and who knows where that would have lead me.

One very happy mummy here!

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viques · 12/01/2018 19:18

Great update. Good luck for the future with your new family.

ItsNachoCheese · 12/01/2018 19:20

Thats fantastic news! All the best to you and your family

DPotter · 12/01/2018 19:24

Wonderful!!!

very best wishes !!

OurMiracle1106 · 12/01/2018 19:27

Oh hannah reading that has given me a little something in my eye.

Congratulations. I’m so pleased for you. I hope everything goes well for you. Flowers

Hearing your story gives me hope for my future too also being a birth Mum. Thank you for having the courage to share. I know you’ll be an amazing mum.

Jellybean85 · 12/01/2018 19:34

That's great news and sounds like they're going to give you some great support too!!

I would say be careful about "you proved old la wrong", remember they're commending you on your change. Not saying they were wrong to remove your first son, you're not the person you were then you've come so far Smile

Congratulations

fairgame84 · 12/01/2018 19:41

I'm so pleased for you. I wish you all the best with your new baby Flowers

Guardsman18 · 12/01/2018 19:46

Well, Hannah. You have made my day sweetheart.

I am so pleased for you and thank you for the update. I have thought about you a lot over the past month or so.

Enjoy your new baby. I wish you well.

BifsWif · 12/01/2018 19:46

Fantastic news!! Congratulations Flowers

TeeniefaeTroon · 12/01/2018 19:48

Fabulous news! Good luck coming with your new baby xx

Hannah1x · 12/01/2018 19:54

Thank you everybody :-)

I'm glad my story has given another birth mum faith for the future. I know only too well how difficult it is to see light at the end of the tunnel. If i can turn my life around after the shit show that was my circumstances back then, anyone can :)

For anyone in a similar position to what I was, I can't stress enough the importance of being open and honest with the SS. Have faith in them as people who can help. I feel I gave myself the best possible chance by being transparent, even though at times I wanted to crawl under a rock and hide. Admitting to certain parts of my life was very difficult, but like someone on here pointed out - sometimes in order to move forward we have to look back, if only for a short time.

I'll always believe my first sons case was handled badly but what this has shown me is exactly how wrong I was to judge social services negatively as a whole. My pre birth social worker this time, a mother herself, is a wonderful person who's shown me nothing but respect from the word go. I feel she's done so much for me in terms of shaping my future positively, I'll actually be sad to see her go.

@jellybean85 I agree with you. Throughout my assessment I've focussed on showing SS how I've acknowledged my shortcomings with my first son and learned from them. The 'proving my last LA wrong' comment is just a little personal triumph for me x

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Roomba · 12/01/2018 19:56

Brilliant news! What a massive weight off your mind. You've done exactly the right things and it sounds like SS have been really good here, unlike your previous experience of them. I'm very pleased for you - best of luck with your precious new baby!

LoveProsecco · 12/01/2018 20:04

Wonderful news!

MrMeSeeks · 12/01/2018 20:13

So lovely to read x

youarenotkiddingme · 12/01/2018 20:50

Fantastic update Thanks

Let's hope your (not so) LO makes an appearance soon.

yourhavingagiraffee · 12/01/2018 20:57

Fantastic update, thanks for updating us all. Wish use all the best ☺

Jellybean85 · 12/01/2018 21:05

You've done amazing and defo not wanting to take away from that just a little thought.

You should get proper legal advice on the s51. Has the adoption order been finalised?

Hannah1x · 12/01/2018 21:10

Aww thanks everyone

The adoption order has been finalised for a long time yes @jellybean85

My son was just under a year old when the adoption order was finalised in favour of his adoptive parents and they were given full PR.

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