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Pregnant after having child removed at birth

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Hannah1x · 17/11/2017 09:09

Hi all, I'm desperate for some advice and would appreciate feedback from anybody who works in social work, has experience in law or has had personal experience with dealing with social services in subsequent pregnancies after having a child removed.

Im 24 yrs old. When I was 18 I was in an abusive relationship with a man who had an extensive criminal past of DV. He was known to social services due to his first born child being taken from him and an ex at approx 1 years old and the child was subsequently adopted.

I was young, naive and didn't know all the facts - he hadn't yet hurt me by the time I fell pregnant and I underestimated the risk he posed to me. I had no family in the area and was very isolated.

When I fell pregnant he became abusive, emotionally and verbally. I confided in a midwife at my first antenatal appointment with my concerns about his past and how he was acting with me now and i was referred to social services. They were involved with me from being 13 weeks pregnant, visiting the home and asking me to attend sure start centre classes which I did.

When I began to worry about removal I asked my SW whether I could move to another city closer to my family to help my case away from the father and I was specifically told not to because it would 'disrupt' the assessment process.

I found my sw to be very unhelpful and at 36 weeks pregnant they told me would go to court and remove my baby at birth without offering any alternative intervention despite me doing everything they'd asked. Prior to the PLO meeting which I was prevented from attending (my then solicitor was not acting in my favour) I again asked if they would support me leaving the town with my baby and I was told no, stay, no final decisions had not been made yet.

I don't feel as though I was given any support or encouragement to leave this man throughout my assessments and I accept I could have upped and left but I was young vulnerable isolated and very much under his control.

When baby was born at 38 weeks it was a Saturday, out of hours social services arrived at the hospital and told me they'd apply to court on Monday to remove my son. Foolishly, out of panic, I left the hospital with my son and took him home against their instructions. They told the hospital to call the police who came and got us, returning us to the ward where we had to stay until the social worker came to remove him on the Monday.

I didn't attend court as my solicitor said I was too emotional and it was best she go on my behalf. She said it would look better if I didn't oppose the order as it showed me accepting there was risk. I trusted her and agreed for her to go and speak on my behalf, again, and tell the court I don't oppose the interim care order being made temporarily. She didn't make me aware of any other options such as mother and baby units or mother and baby foster placements.

Order was granted on the grounds of my son being "at risk of emotional harm" and he was then taken from the hospital.

Back at home the physical abuse started where he would attack me and shortly after so did the sexual abuse. My ex coerced me into prostitution, which I am painfully ashamed to admit. I was in my own admission smoking cannabis as I struggled to cope with what was happening.

Social services had included in their mitigation that I had mental health problems which isn't the case, I've never been known to mental health services although I did have a very short period where I felt low, aged 16, where I was on antidepressants following the death of my grandparents.

While this was going on I continued to fight for my son in court, I sacked my solicitor who wasn't helping me whatsoever and began to represent myself for a period before I hired another. In my admissions I put my side across and the magistrates ruled that social services had not supported me properly prior to removal and they believed I should be given a chance to show I can look after my son. They ordered a mother and baby unit be found and me and my son taken there to be assessed properly, They wanted this done within a matter of weeks. I left the court feeling positive but scared as I knew babies dad would do something to sabotage this process and there was no orders put in place to stop him coming to my house (he had moved out and in with his mother by this point - at my request - albeit unwillingly)

Babies father didn't want this to happen as it would mean him losing control of me and me being away from him, so in the following week after the magistrates ordering social services to source a placement - he made my life hell. There was police logs from him attending my home and he sent to the social workers and court multiple indecent photographs of me telling them I'm a prostitute and unfit to be a mother.

Social services used this new information to appeal against the magistrates ruling and 'stay' the process of reuniting me with my baby in a mother and baby placement. My case was then transferred to another court in a nearby town as a result and as my son was over 6 months old by this point they wanted to conclude the case, they wanted adoption.

In one final bid to prevent the adoption I gave up my home and fled to a women's refuge where he later found me (it was a very small town and I believe somebody told him). He continued to make my life hell and I confided in the social worker about the extent of the abuse, begged them for support and was given none. My son's case concluded as adoption shortly after and there was nothing more I could do.

My ex continued to trouble me for several years. I had pressed charges for a number of assaults throughout the years, and also two counts of rape, he went on the run but unfortunately there was insufficient evidence and the CPS dropped the charges. Throughout everything I only ever managed to have him convicted of a public order offence due to a neighbour seeing him chase me down the street on an occasion shouting threats.

By the time I was 22 i was still getting grief from him and i finally found the strength to leave town. I moved to a city where my few family members were and began to rebuild my life. I was no longer smoking cannabis and suffice to say the prostitution was a thing of the past, that was only ever a factor when he was in my life- it's not something I enjoyed doing or wanted to do of my own accord.

I moved in with a relative, got a full time job and built up a good relationship with my son's adopters via our letterbox contact. I was happier and healthier than I had been in years. I missed my son painfully but accepted that adoption was the best thing for him at the time, it took me a long time to accept that.

At 23 Whilst working I met an amazing man who was a colleague, he was accepting of my past and very supportive - he had fathered two children himself and although separated from their mother he was an exemplary example of a father. You couldn't fault him. We fell pregnant but sadly lost the baby early on. Much to our delight we conceived again shortly after (this baby was very much wanted)

There was no doubt in my mind we could parent the baby well, I had a good support network around me now and he is a great man. He has no criminal record, a decent sturdy job and most importantly he is a kind man. I had turned my life around completely

I began to become frightened. Due to my past experiences with my old social workers I developed an irrational fear that our baby would be taken, so at my first antenatal appointment when the midwife asked if I had any previous social services involvement I told her no - I can't believe how stupid I was but I can't stress enough how scared I was. The fact i had miscarried not too long ago contributed to my decision, I wanted a stress free pregnancy and didn't feel as though I was ready to deal with social workers again after having such bad experiences with them before. I told them I had an older child just not that he had been adopted.

No referral was made and my pregnancy progressed well. Me and my partner saved up for a lovely little flat, a perfect place to bring our baby home to, and began preparing for his arrival.

As my due date approaches (I'm almost 31 weeks) I've been getting increasingly scared about giving birth and social services turning up to the hospital when I have our baby. My partner has never dealt with these authorities and believes they won't, but I'm frightened that something will come up on my file that will trigger them to come and remove him straight away as I've not been assessed since losing my son.

I accept that I will have to deal with social services at some point as I can't hide the past forever but naively I believed I could conceal it long enough to bring him home and evidence that I, that we, can be a loving and adequate family.

Can anybody tell me where I stand? Please no judgement. I'm already being very hard on myself losing sleep. I've contemplated referring myself to social services this week but am absolutely petrified of doing that. I'm equally as scared of them turning up at the hospital. Will this be the case despite me being in a different city hundreds of miles away?

The ex is very much out of my life and non existent these days. There's no police involvement or multi agency involvement for anything at all.

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chequeplease · 14/12/2017 20:09

So pleased to hear your update Hannah!
I hope you can relax now and enjoy the rest of your pregnancy! And enjoy your beautiful baby when they arrive!!

AndersArms · 14/12/2017 20:28

Delurking to say I am so pleased your meeting today went well OP. I shall be thinking of you in the coming weeks Flowers

Liara · 14/12/2017 21:11

Wow, just read this from the beginning and although I have nothing helpful to contribute just wanted to tell you how in awe I am of you and everything you have managed to achieve - you sound incredible.

Best wishes for the rest of the pg and the birth!

Scarydinosaurs · 14/12/2017 21:13

I’m so pleased for you. This is wonderful news.

Somersetter · 14/12/2017 21:40

I'm so glad you been honest and open rather than burying your head in the sand and living with the fear of being discovered. Onwards and upwards!

OurMiracle1106 · 14/12/2017 21:45

Hannah you are an incredibly brave young woman and I know you will be a wonderful Mum. I hope that you have an easy labour and born baby and you are healthy.

I also hope the assessment is complete before baby is born.

You are an inspiration to others. Flowers

LabradorMama · 14/12/2017 22:14

Great news, you must feel like a weight has been lifted. Well done!

foodiefil · 14/12/2017 22:18

Hey @Hannah1x - have you read the blog Surviving Safeguarding? You might find it useful x

Hannah1x · 14/12/2017 22:20

Aww you're a great bunch here ladies. I can't thank you all enough for your support, you've given me such a boost at times when I needed one. So glad I posted when I did Smile x

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Hannah1x · 14/12/2017 22:20

No foodie I haven't, where can I find that x

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foodiefil · 14/12/2017 22:23

Let me know how you find it survivingsafeguarding.co.uk

Xx

Hannah1x · 14/12/2017 22:23

survivingsafeguarding.co.uk/2015/04/24/surviving-safeguarding-or-there-and-back-again/

Just looked it up. Going to read through the blog now thank you:) x

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passemoilevin · 14/12/2017 22:24

Think I have something in my eye 😭😁 you're going to be a wonderful mum and you and your little family are going to have a brilliant life, I know it. Well done for being so brave. To turn your life round after going through such horrific stuff is just amazing.

I'm so so so happy for you ThanksCake

foodiefil · 14/12/2017 22:25

Fab. Good luck Thanks x

Hannah1x · 14/12/2017 22:39

Thank you so much passe, It would appear I have something in my eye too. I just welled up and sobbed after reading Annie's story on surviving safeguarding. Wow. Just wow. What an amazingly strong and resilient woman.

I'm going to read that blog inside out, thank you very much for sharing that with me foodie x

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SallySphinx · 14/12/2017 23:15

Wishing you all the best.

LoveProsecco · 14/12/2017 23:35

Great update Hannah, sounds very positive!

MadisonAvenue · 14/12/2017 23:39

Sending you my very best wishes Flowers

lapetitesiren · 14/12/2017 23:41

Best wishes. So pleased that they seem to be so supportive.

Frazzled2207 · 14/12/2017 23:42

Great update I'm really pleased. Hopefully you can enjoy your Christmas now and start properly looking forward to being a mum x

ByeByePrivacy · 15/12/2017 00:14

Hannah that’s fantastic, and you’ve been open with her about everything there will be no surprises in your old case notes and even if they portray you as a crazy green alien, she will just see the sensible grounded and supported Mum to be that you are and she’ll be signing you off as quick as she possibly can so she can leave you to enjoy your new little family. Have a lovely Christmas as next years will be just magical.

I agree when this is finished you can look into the handle of the last case. So interesting that people were let go afterwards.

Ivehadtonamechangeforthis · 15/12/2017 07:19

I am so pleased to read your update Hannah, at last you have a SW who is treating you the way you deserve to be treated and it's so reassuring to read she hasn't washed over the appalling treatment and lack of help/support you received with your son.

I know many other posters have said this but I really admire your courage and strength, you're remarkable to have gone through so much so young.

I hope this SW pushes everything through as quickly as possible but in the meantime I hope her reassuring tone will allow you to relax and enjoy these last few weeks of your pregnancy and look forward to your future.

As a footnote, once all the checks and paperwork has been done and your baby is safely here and the madness of life with a newborn has settled, I would definitely pursue having your sons case investigated.

xx

doyawannabuildasnowmaaaaaan · 15/12/2017 09:16

As a footnote, once all the checks and paperwork has been done and your baby is safely here and the madness of life with a newborn has settled, I would definitely pursue having your sons case investigated.

This is more or less what I've said but you put it better. I have a sneaky little feeling that this sw may encourage that.

doyawannabuildasnowmaaaaaan · 15/12/2017 09:17

I think at the very least you are owed answers.

woofmiaowwoof · 15/12/2017 10:28

congrats, hannah, I agree with doya, it might help your son when he's older and looking for answers to have a record of the fact that his mum was let down by various official departments.